🎙️ Copa Independent (World Cup 2026) •September 29, 2026 •⏱️ 19 min

The great Man City sham

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1. Executive Overview: Core Theses & Key Revelations

The long-awaited release of the Independent Commission’s verdict on Manchester City marks a watershed moment in the history of global sports administration. Far from offering the definitive exoneration that the club’s leadership had repeatedly promised stakeholders and supporters for half a decade, the tribunal delivered an overwhelming condemnation of Manchester City’s corporate and financial conduct across a nine-year period. Found guilty of the vast majority of the Premier League’s charges, the club stands exposed as the architect of a systematic, multi-layered financial engineering scheme designed to bypass financial fair play regulations and artificially manufacture competitive dominance.

At the center of the commission's findings lies the revelation of shadow funding mechanisms. The tribunal established that Manchester City executed sham sponsorship contracts to artificially inflate revenues to the tune of more than £830 million—a figure that, when factoring in collateral financial advantages, approaches £900 million. Commercial agreements with entities ostensibly operating at arm’s length were, in reality, direct equity injections funded by the club’s state-linked owners in Abu Dhabi and routed through offshore intermediaries. To sustain this artificial economic architecture, Manchester City filed misstated accounts to auditors, concealed the authentic financial status of the organization from football regulators, and engaged in persistent, deliberate non-cooperation throughout the investigative process.

On the emergency broadcast of Copa Independent, Chief Football Writer Miguel Delaney framed the verdict not merely as a regulatory infringement, but as the single largest corruption scandal in the history of club football. In an unvarnished assessment, Delaney asserted that the scale and documentation of City’s institutional fraud surpasses the notorious 2006 Calciopoli scandal in Italian football. While Calciopoli revolved around qualitative attempts to influence match officials through structural backchannels, the findings against Manchester City establish black-and-white financial falsification totaling nearly a billion pounds over nearly a decade of domestic competition.

The central thesis articulated during the discussion is that the harshness of the commission’s language—highlighted by the repeated, explicit characterization of key financial transactions as a "sham"—lays the necessary legal foundation for the most severe sanctions permissible under Premier League governance. Point deductions, even on a multi-season or layered scale, are deemed structurally inadequate to remedy a decade of artificially constructed competitive advantage. Consequently, the prospect of total expulsion from the Premier League has shifted from a theoretical legal extremity to a realistic, highly probable administrative outcome.

In response to this existential threat, Manchester City’s executive leadership has initiated an aggressive posture of corporate defiance. Dismissing the statutory independent tribunal's decision as a mere "opinion" suffering from "material errors of law," the club is preparing to bypass internal football arbitration mechanisms to initiate High Court litigation. Simultaneously, the fallout has exposed dark subplots within the broader ecosystem, including the systemic harassment of investigative journalists, the redaction of legal counsels' names from public records due to safety concerns, and complex geopolitical interlocks between the United Kingdom government and Abu Dhabi sovereign capital.

2. Context & Background: The Landscape Leading to This Conversation

Understanding the magnitude of the Independent Commission's verdict requires evaluating the structural evolution of English football over the past two decades. Following the 2008 acquisition of Manchester City by the Abu Dhabi United Group, led by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the club embarked on an unprecedented campaign of capital expenditure. However, the rapidly accelerating inflation of transfer fees and player wage structures quickly collided with the introduction of UEFA’s Financial Fair Play (FFP) framework in 2011 and the Premier League’s Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR) shortly thereafter. These financial guardrails were designed to preserve competitive balance and prevent debt-fueled insolvency across the pyramid.

Rather than constraining its expenditure to organically generated commercial revenue, Manchester City’s executive suite pursued a dual-track strategy of aggressive squad building and covert financial engineering. The regulatory blind spots of this era were severely compounded by the governing philosophy of former Premier League Chief Executive Richard Scudamore. Under Scudamore’s tenure, the league prioritized rapid global commercial expansion, broadcast rights maximization, and a light-touch regulatory approach to club ownership. The Owners' and Directors' Test remained extremely rudimentary, establishing criminal convictions as virtually the sole barrier to entry while ignoring sovereign state investment vehicles, opaque corporate structures, and geopolitical soft-power plays.

The turning point in public awareness arrived in November 2018 with the publication of the "Football Leaks" cache by German news magazine Der Spiegel. Internal emails, secret contracts, and executive correspondence revealed how senior club figures mapped out secret funding routes to disguise direct state equity injections from Sheikh Mansour as legitimate sponsorship payments from UAE state-backed corporations such as Etihad Airways and Etisalat. These disclosures triggered parallel investigations by UEFA and the Premier League, culminating in UEFA's initial two-year European ban in 2020—a sanction subsequently overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) on procedural grounds of time-barring and insufficient evidence standards under UEFA's specific statutes.

Undeterred by UEFA's legal stumbles, the Premier League spent four years assembling a comprehensive disciplinary file, ultimately charging Manchester City in February 2023 with over 115 distinct rule breaches spanning nine seasons from 2009–10 to 2017–18. Significantly, the Premier League rulebook contains no statute of limitations, enabling the independent panel to scrutinize the full chronology of the club’s financial transactions. The long-awaited verdict arrived against an extraordinarily volatile economic backdrop: despite receiving formal notification of the commission’s preliminary findings as early as July 2026, Manchester City’s leadership responded not with financial restraint, but with an astounding summer transfer spending spree approaching £500 million, underscoring their complete institutional detachment from regulatory oversight.

3. Deep-Dive Thematic Breakdown

3.1 The Anatomy of the £900 Million Sham: Disguised Equity and Artificial Revenues

The investigative findings of the Independent Commission dismantle the foundational narrative of Manchester City’s commercial ascension. For over a decade, club leadership boasted that their revenue growth was the product of cutting-edge corporate management, innovative global branding, and superior commercial acumen. The commission's 830-page ruling obliterates this construct, utilizing the damning legal term "sham" no fewer than eight times to describe core commercial agreements that underpinned the club's financial accounting.

The mechanics of the fraud were both sophisticated and brazen. In standard football finance, commercial sponsorships represent arm's-length market transactions where external corporations pay fair market value for brand exposure. At Manchester City, key sponsorship contracts with state-related entities were structured as financial facades. The commission established that foreign state entities provided only a fraction of the contracted sponsorship funds; the vast majority of the cash injections were funneled directly from the Abu Dhabi Executive Affairs Authority or private accounts controlled by Sheikh Mansour, routed through intermediate corporate entities, and deposited into club accounts mislabeled as commercial revenue.

Financial Dimension Reported Corporate Record Independent Commission Finding Regulatory Implication
Sponsorship Valuation Arm's-length market transactions (£830m+) Disguised state equity & sham agreements Severe breach of FFP/PSR revenue caps
Financial Accounting Audited, fully compliant annual statements Material misstatements & concealed liabilities Systemic fraud presented to regulators
Regulatory Cooperation "Comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence" Persistent obstruction & duty breaches Aggravating factor for maximum penalties
Post-Notice Conduct Standard operational compliance £500m summer spending spree post-July notice Defiance of regulatory authority

By overstating commercial income by more than £830 million over nine seasons, Manchester City fabricated an artificial spending ceiling. This allowed the club to outbid domestic and European rivals for elite playing talent, pay inflated wages, construct world-class training infrastructure, and retain premier coaching staff—all while technically appearing compliant with PSR limits. When accounting for secondary financial advantages, including off-book managerial remuneration schemes paid via third-party offshore consultancies in Abu Dhabi, the total systemic distortion of the club's balance sheet approaches £900 million. This structural falsification allowed City to stockpile talent and construct an empire on an illegitimate financial foundation.

3.2 Calciopoli vs. Manchester City: Evaluating Football's Greatest Corruption Scandals

A central focal point of Delaney’s analysis on Copa Independent is the comparative evaluation of Manchester City’s systemic violations against historic sports corruption scandals, most notably the 2006 Calciopoli affair in Italy. Calciopoli resulted in the stripping of Serie A titles from Juventus, their direct relegation to Serie B, and substantial point deductions for AC Milan, Fiorentina, Lazio, and Reggina. For two decades, Calciopoli served as the global benchmark for institutional corruption in professional football.

However, Delaney convincingly argues that the Manchester City case represents a far more profound distortion of sporting integrity. Calciopoli was primarily a scandal of influence and structural pressure: club executives, led by Juventus managing director Luciano Moggi, utilized wiretapped telephone conversations to pressure referee designators, attempting to secure favorable referee assignments for specific matches. While deeply damaging to public confidence, Calciopoli did not involve the wholesale fabrication of corporate balance sheets or the long-term injection of hundreds of millions of pounds of illegal capital.

In contrast, Manchester City’s financial engineering operated continuously across nearly a decade, fundamentally distorting the competitive ecosystem of the richest league in world sport. While a bad refereeing decision impacts a single match or season, a £900 million financial advantage compounds exponentially over time. It dictates transfer market dynamics, drains talent from rival clubs, alters league standings, dictates UEFA Champions League qualification, and redistributes hundreds of millions of pounds in prize money and broadcast revenue across the entire football pyramid. By altering the structural reality of economic competition, Manchester City’s actions constitute a permanent, irreversible distortion of sporting history that surpasses the qualitative match-fixing mechanisms of 2006 Italy.

3.3 Sovereign State Capital, Dark Threads, and Geopolitical Immunity

The investigation into Manchester City inevitably transcends the boundaries of sports law, intersecting directly with international diplomacy, sovereign wealth management, and geopolitical realpolitik. The ownership of Manchester City is intrinsically intertwined with the state apparatus of the United Arab Emirates. Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak is not merely a football executive; he serves as the Chairman of the Abu Dhabi Executive Affairs Authority, CEO of Mubadala Investment Company, and one of the most powerful non-royal government officials in Abu Dhabi. Sheikh Mansour serves as the Vice President and Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE.

This reality introduces profound geopolitical dimensions into the enforcement of domestic sports regulations. As detailed in the podcast, the United Kingdom government has historically maintained extensive economic, military, and diplomatic ties with Abu Dhabi. Sovereign capital from the UAE flows heavily into British real estate, energy infrastructure, and financial technology. Sources close to diplomatic channels indicate that Abu Dhabi leadership possesses considerable bilateral leverage over the UK government, particularly regarding sensitive foreign policy matters such as British oversight of UAE operations in Sudan—a conflict widely condemned by international human rights monitoring bodies.

Furthermore, the podcast highlighted alarming "dark threads" surrounding the legal proceedings. The independent commission report took the extraordinary step of redacting the names of key legal counsels and financial auditors, explicitly to protect those individuals from safety threats and targeted retaliation. Journalists covering the case have reported first-hand experiences of coordinated harassment, digital intimidation, and aggressive surveillance by aggressive fan factions and external actors. This hostile environment underscores how the trial of a sovereign-backed football entity creates intimidation tactics rarely encountered in standard commercial sports arbitration.

3.4 Corporate Defiance and Legal Strategy: The High Court Ambush

The operational stance adopted by Manchester City’s executive leadership following the verdict has been characterized by legal commentators as unprecedented in its hostility. Rather than expressing remorse or seeking a negotiated settlement, CEO Ferran Soriano and Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak have initiated a strategy of total institutional defiance. In an official public statement, the club repeatedly referred to the Independent Commission’s binding decision as a mere "opinion," alleging that the tribunal was plagued by "clear material errors of law, principle, and fact."

This specific legal phrasing is highly strategic. By asserting "errors of law," Manchester City is signaling its intent to bypass standard sporting arbitration channels and escalate the dispute to the UK High Court through judicial review or civil litigation. Under English administrative law, challenging an independent arbitral panel in the High Court requires proving that the panel acted ultra vires, demonstrated bias, or committed egregious legal errors in interpreting contract law. Legal experts consulted by Delaney note that the actual commission decision contains very little novel statutory law; it is primarily an exhaustive factual finding based on internal documents, bank statements, and witness cross-examinations. Consequently, high-court legal challenges are widely viewed by independent legal analysts as a high-risk stalling tactic intended to delay sanction enforcement indefinitely.

The absurdity of City’s public defense reached a theatrical peak with the release of a pre-recorded video statement by Ferran Soriano, filmed on the sidelines of the European Club Association (ECA) forum in Copenhagen. Confronted in real-time by investigative journalists, Soriano’s stoic defense stood in stark contrast to the overwhelming documentation of the report. Internal sources reveal that within City’s corporate hierarchy, a "two-track" communications strategy was deployed: general employees and playing staff were kept in complete isolation regarding legal realities, while the senior executive suite circled the wagons to insulate Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak from personal reputational liability, resulting in an executive culture increasingly detached from external reality.

3.5 The Mechanics of Expulsion vs. Layered Points Deductions

With the liability phase of the proceedings concluded in a total victory for the Premier League, the focus shifts entirely to the penalty phase. The independent panel possesses broad statutory discretion under Premier League Rule W.51 to impose sanctions ranging from financial fines and transfer bans to unlimited point deductions and full expulsion from the league.

Recent regulatory precedents involving Everton and Nottingham Forest established clear quantitative benchmarks: basic PSR overspends of £15m to £20m yielded point deductions ranging from 4 to 10 points. Given that Manchester City’s deliberate financial engineering exceeds £830 million across nine seasons, applying a linear mathematical scale would yield a point deduction well into several hundred points. To operationalize such a penalty, legal experts anticipate the possibility of a "layered points deduction"—a multi-season sanction enforcing a 30-to-50 point deficit at the start of consecutive Premier League campaigns, effectively guaranteeing multi-year relegation struggles and locking the club out of European competition.

However, given the commission's explicit findings of systemic dishonesty and sham contracts, the narrative on Copa Independent strongly favors total expulsion under Rule W.51. Executing an expulsion requires a special shareholder meeting where at least 15 of the 20 Premier League member clubs must vote in favor of terminating the offending club's league membership. While historically Premier League executives expressed hesitancy regarding such nuclear options due to commercial fallout and private equity interlocks, the sheer severity of the commission's findings has galvanized opposition among rival clubs. Crucially, as Delaney emphasized, if Manchester City is expelled from the Premier League, the English Football League (EFL) has no statutory obligation to absorb the club into Championship, League One, or League Two. Without an explicit agreement between the PL and EFL, an expelled Manchester City would find itself cast into an administrative vacuum, forced to apply for entry into the lowest tiers of non-league football.

4. Speaker Perspectives & Analytical Contrast

The dynamic between host Lawrence Ostlere and Chief Football Writer Miguel Delaney on this episode of Copa Independent provides a fascinating study in journalistic analysis, contrasting procedural questioning with unsparing investigative synthesis. Ostlere skillfully anchors the broadcast by probing the immediate, practical questions consuming the football landscape: how the decision will impact upcoming matchdays, the procedural timeline for appeals, and the realistic likelihood of title re-allocations. His line of inquiry reflects the pragmatic concerns of supporters and broadcast partners who are grappling with the sudden disruption of the sport's competitive framework.

In contrast, Miguel Delaney delivers an uncompromising, structurally focused critique that views the verdict through the prism of institutional governance and historical precedent. Delaney moves beyond the immediate news cycle to interrogate the broader systemic failures that allowed Manchester City's financial architecture to flourish unchecked for nearly two decades. His analytical perspective is defined by three distinct arguments:

  • Institutional Toxicity: Delaney draws a direct comparison between Manchester City and disgraced corporate entities such as Enron or News of the World. He posits that the club's brand has become fundamentally blackened, transforming it into a toxic institution whose continued presence on equal footing in Premier League boardrooms creates an untenable farce for fellow member clubs.
  • The Calciopoli Parallels & Divergence: While drawing historical parallels to the collapse of Serie A’s golden era post-Calciopoli, Delaney presents a nuanced divergence regarding the Premier League’s future. Unlike Ostlere, who expressed concern over potential commercial devaluation if a marquee club is expelled, Delaney argues that the Premier League’s global brand equity is sufficiently resilient to survive City’s removal. In fact, he asserts that removing a toxic actor restores long-term commercial credibility by reassuring global investors of regulatory integrity.
  • Executive Delusion: Delaney highlights the stark contrast between the sober factual findings of the independent legal panel and the unhinged, defiant rhetoric emanating from City’s executive suite. He identifies this reaction not as a position of legal strength, but as an aggressive psychological coping mechanism designed to insulate Abu Dhabi’s political leadership from acknowledging systemic wrongdoing.

The conversation reveals a shared journalistic consensus that the Premier League itself bears immense historical culpability. Both speakers agree that the light-touch regulatory regime of the Scudamore era created the permissive conditions for this scandal. By failing to scrutinize corporate funding mechanisms when the Abu Dhabi United Group first acquired the club in 2008, league authorities effectively deferred a governance crisis, allowing it to compound into the existential institutional emergency confronting the sport today.

5. Strategic & Industry Implications

The ramifications of the Independent Commission’s ruling extend far beyond the immediate fate of Manchester City, threatening to trigger a comprehensive restructuring of English and European football governance. The most immediate strategic fallout concerns the historical integrity of the competition between 2009 and 2024. During the nine seasons directly covered by the charges, Manchester City secured three Premier League titles (2011–12, 2013–14, and 2017–18) and multiple domestic cups, laying the groundwork for their subsequent dominance in the modern era.

The verdict opens intense legal and ethical debates regarding historical revisionism and title stripping. If a club achieved competitive dominance through a £900 million financial fraud scheme, preserving their name in the record books severely undermines the historical legitimacy of professional football. Rival clubs that finished as runners-up during these campaigns—such as Manchester United in 2012 and 2018, or Liverpool in 2014—face an unprecedented dilemma. Stripping titles or applying retroactive asterisks to past seasons represents a complex logistical challenge, yet allowing uncorrected records to stand validates the fruits of illegal financial engineering.

Beyond historical records, the decision will accelerate the political momentum behind the UK Independent Football Regulator (IFR). For years, the Premier League lobby argued against statutory government oversight, claiming that self-regulation by member clubs was sufficient to maintain financial stability and competitive balance. The exposure of a nine-year, near-billion-pound financial fraud at the heart of the league completely destroys the argument for self-regulation. The UK government now possesses overwhelming justification to grant the IFR sweeping statutory powers, including the authority to enforce strict financial transparency, audit sovereign investment sources, and overrule league governance decisions regarding owner suitabilities.

Finally, the verdict sends shockwaves through the global football investment landscape. In recent years, private equity consortiums, American venture funds, and sovereign wealth funds have invested heavily in European sports properties based on projected revenue growth and regulatory predictability. The revelation that the Premier League's dominant superpower operated as a financial facade forces global investors to re-evaluate risk models. It establishes a firm precedent: state-backed entities will no longer be permitted to utilize unlimited sovereign capital to price traditional clubs out of competitive existence, signaling a dramatic shift toward stringent, strictly enforced financial regulation across world football.

6. Looking Ahead: Unresolved Questions & Next Milestones

As English football enters unchartered regulatory territory, the timeline for resolving the Manchester City case moves into a critical, high-stakes phase. Following the formal release of the commission's liability ruling, Manchester City faces a strict deadline to file its official notice of appeal. The appeal process, conducted before a separate appellate panel, is projected to run through November. However, legal experts emphasize that the scope of this appeal is exceptionally narrow: new evidence cannot be introduced, and the appellate body will strictly evaluate whether the original tribunal committed procedural improprieties or misapplied Premier League rules.

Should the appellate panel uphold the guilty findings, Manchester City’s executive leadership is expected to execute its threatened High Court strategy, filing for emergency injunctions to freeze the enforcement of sanctions pending judicial review. Such a move would initiate an unprecedented constitutional crisis between English civil courts and domestic sports governing bodies, potentially dragging litigation through 2027 and hanging a dark cloud of legal uncertainty over multiple Premier League seasons.

Industry analysts and legal observers must monitor several critical metrics in the coming months:

  • Premier League Shareholders' Vote: The alignment of the 15-club voting bloc required for Rule W.51 expulsion, specifically watching how private-equity-backed clubs and Gulf-linked ownership groups position themselves.
  • High Court Filings: Whether City's legal team attempts to obtain a temporary injunction against point deductions or expulsion prior to the start of the next domestic campaign.
  • Commercial Partner Defections: The extent to which major corporate sponsors and global brand partners re-evaluate their association with Manchester City as reputational damage deepens.
  • EFL Administrative Stance: Formal statements from the English Football League regarding whether they would accept an expelled Manchester City into their league pyramid.

The ultimate legacy of "The Great Man City Sham" will not merely be recorded in sanction points or altered league tables. It marks the definitive end of Premier League regulatory innocence. The era of unchecked financial inflation, opaque state funding, and passive corporate supervision has come to an abrupt, chaotic end. In its place stands a new reality where sporting performance is inextricably linked to legal compliance, and where even the most powerful sovereign-backed sporting institutions can no longer escape the binding authority of the law.

💬 Key Quotes & Speaker Breakdown

Manchester City legal case

"It feels like this is the setup for the hardest hitting sanctions possible. I mean, that is my only conclusion, and I actually think from the way, from the language in it, from the conclusions that this basically raises the prospect of expulsion, not just point-deduction, expulsion."

— Miguel Delaney

"I would actually, I would go as far as saying, given we have an out in black and white, the biggest corruption scandal, certainly in club football. I think this surpasses Calciopoli."

— Miguel Delaney

"It would be comical if it wasn't quite, there's dark threads to this, I mean, you know, we know journalists who, first-hand experience of harassment and that sort of thing from Manchester City fans, we know lawyers who, I mean, lawyers' names have been redacted, presumably on the grounds of safety from the report itself."

— Miguel Delaney

Manchester City finances

"The cheating that allowed this kind of advantage of 900 million, they follow that, they follow this decision by continuing a matter of splurge in the summer to went close to half a billion, which is remarkable in itself."

— Miguel Delaney

Premier League future

"It's interesting. I drew the kind of the Calciopoli parallel earlier. I think like Calciopoli, it did probably end or definitively end a Serie A era as the kind of the elite world league of the 90s. And there will be parallel to drawn with this. And how maybe this is a similar reckoning for the Premier League."

— Miguel Delaney

Manchester City sanctions

"I think we would have at the least expect a massive points deduction, maybe a layered points deduction."

— Miguel Delaney

Manchester City's response

"If this was a person in this, reacting in this way, you'd say they completely lost the plot."

— Miguel Delaney

"It increasingly feels like it's just this kind of defiance of reality. And almost is it too far to say delusion?"

— Miguel Delaney

"It's funny, with the video, I was wondering about the timing of it, because as we know now, from the decision, and there was a report on ESPN earlier the day that city knew of this in July. So there would have been ample time to repair it."

— Miguel Delaney

Manchester City legal strategy

"The fact that they've said law, though, would suggest that they're willing to go to the high court with this and take this all the way, beyond even an appeal process."

— Miguel Delaney

Manchester City reputation

"It's like something akin to Enron or the News of the World, where this is now a toxic institution. The name of the club has been blackened."

— Miguel Delaney

Premier League regulation

"There is a lot on the previous hierarchy, the Premier League, for allowing all this to happen, for not applying the type of scrutiny in history."

— Miguel Delaney
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Hello, welcome to Copper Independent, the independence football podcast. I'm Lawrence Oslet and I'm joined by Chief Football writer Miguel Delaney, Hi Migs. Evening. No. Or warning or whatever it is. You've laughed at the time. Yeah. Probably morning as people are tuning in. Another impromptu pod. We are talking hours after the independent commission delivered its verdict on Manchester City. Before we start, producer Jamie has reminded me to ask people to like and subscribe to the podcast, which I keep forgetting to do, or the YouTube channel, leave a comment on there, ask any questions, topics you like us to discuss, we do read them, even the negative ones. So Miguel, despite City's repeated claim that the club holds a comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence to exonerate themselves in this case, City have been found guilty of almost all of the Premier League's charges. Just a couple of highlights from the report, they arranged sham sponsorship contracts to inflate revenues to the tune of more than 830 million pounds over nine years. The club filed misstated accounts and concealed the true state of its finances from auditors and regulators. They committed multiple breaches of duties of cooperation. Miguel, what's your reaction to the report now? We've finally got our hands on it. Well, first of all, like a lot of people in football, I am quite taken aback and must say by the strength, the language, even people with knowledge of previous cases, with their own strong opinions on City, very critical of the club and the ownership, they didn't expect this. And I mean, you mentioned a word, sham there. Let's use eight times over the course of the document. There's the talk about the evidence given by witnesses and all out of it up, I mean, it's the most hard hitting language possible. And it feels like this is the setup for the hardest hitting sanctions possible. I mean, that is my only conclusion, and I actually think from the way, from the language in it, from the conclusions that this basically raises the prospect of expulsion, not just in point-stduction, expulsion. And from that, given like, we said this in a previous part, given there's now an independent football regulator with statutory powers about rogue owners, well, I mean, what is this behavior? If not befitting the description of rogue ownership to be putting the Premier League in football through the biggest corruption scandal, I would actually, I would go as far as saying, given we have an out in black and white, the biggest corruption scandal, certainly in club football. I think this surpasses Calciopoli, and at least Calciopoli came down to basically interpretation of loan calls. This is figures in black and white, and as in the descriptions, I think we're even in a point where we're talking about whether, how can clubs be in the same boardroom as them? I think they're games. Well, this process is ongoing. It's going to be a farce, like the atmosphere of them, I think it's pretty obvious that every single club is going to have a banner up saying, sham, and like, there are so many strands and subplots out of this, like, as we've said on the podcast before, obviously the only aspect, Australians as the language in the decision is the language in city's response, and also the video they're answering, and that's done the rounds. So cities, just cities response for anyone who hasn't seen it. They say that they're disappointed and surprised by the opinion, opinion is an interesting word of the Premier League Commission, even describing it as a Premier League Commission suggests some sort of bias, doesn't it? Because it's an independent commission, which it's not a Premier League Commission. They go on, the club is innocent of the accusations made by the Premier League, and that phrase, comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence, which they've pointed to for a few years now that phrase. I mean, if it was irrefutable evidence, then this report just wouldn't have come to be. So it's extraordinary. I don't understand where they go. It's unhinged. If this was a person in this, reacting in this way, you'd say they completely lost the plot. I have to say, my thinking was along those lines, and a serious disease, like when we are talking about geopolitical dimensions, it was hard not to think on what, I've talked more so on watching Soriano's video, almost more than the statements that this was like, it was bringing this into some sort of kind of pantomime realm, talking about the video. So I mean, like, so in the word conspiracy theory is used, and there are kind of like what does talk about, you know, compensation from those who've damaged the club. It's funny, with the video, I was wondering about the timing of it, because as we know now, from the, from the decision, and there was a report on ESPN earlier the day that city knew of this in July. So there would have been ample time to repair it. I don't quite think it's a case of Soriano just taking a few minutes out of the European football club for which is on Copenhagen now, and everyone would have seen the video, I think, at this point of Rob Harris, a friend and colleague of mine, basically going up to Soriano and essentially door-stapping him, and the look on, on Soriano's face had a lot more than any of those words. But like, it doesn't feel like a case of him just stepping out from a few minutes from the forum. That was surely, given the knowledge this was coming, this was surely kind of pre-recorded to drop when this video, but, but, you know, I mean, I almost say, I was very curious as to the timing, even in the sense of what jumper he was wearing, and whether that's a summer jumper or a winter jumper, but again, that's what, like, these are the, kind of like, almost, the trivial pantomime details and something that is serious, and sorry, there's a story that came out, did you see the story today saying, saying, city of knowing about this for going right back to the summer, yeah, is that the point you're making? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is all been prepared, the response. Yeah, yeah, and obviously, I mean, yet another strand of this, on top of the, one of the headline details now, that the cheating, which we can now call, like, we have this decision, the cheating that allowed this kind of advantage of 900 million, that they follow that, they follow this decision by continuing a matter of splurge in the summer to went close to half a billion, which is remarkable in itself, and I suppose, like, speaks to the position of the club, they are very stride, but like it is, and look, we have to keep out in these caveats, because the process is not over as city statement says, this could get overturned on appeal, although from speaking to various people in the game, and I think we discussed this in an earlier video on the day that, well, I've never seen the light of the day, because events have moved on, speaking to people in legal circles on football, they seem to think the scope for appeal is very narrow, it's very difficult for new information or new evidence to be introduced, they would have to pursue this line as we discussed the independence of the panel, but I think from what people were saying, that is expected to be given short shrift, because that is something you actually, that should come up during the process of this case, and didn't. Well, I mean, yeah, yeah, just the end of the statement from city, I guess, points to where they're going next, so they say the opinion, they keep saying the opinion, contains clear material errors of law, principle, and fact, and is unsafe. The fact that they've said law, though, would suggest that they're willing to go to the high court with this and take this all the way, beyond even an appeal process. As someone said to me, it was actually, someone deep knowledge of this, did say to me, there's very little actual law in the decision, it's just kind of the relaying of a lot of evidence, an opinion. I must say that reminded me of, this is actually done the rounds, a bit on social media in Ireland, among kind of like executives and legal people, the description of that opinion reminds people of some of the tribunals in Ireland, where if you don't agree with a legal conclusion, describe it as an opinion. It would be comical if it wasn't quite, there's dark threads to this, I mean, you know, we know journalists who, first-hand experience of harassment and that sort of thing from Manchester City fans, we know lawyers who, I mean, lawyers' names have been redacted, presumably on the grounds of safety from the report itself. I know lawyers and the Premier League who have received threats, I mean, it's, there's a dark sort of undertone to all of this, this kind of, the line that City have taken, and it feels like they're not veering from that line. No, no, it's extremely aggressive. And I suppose, I mean, look, this will be vindicated if they end up getting the result they want. I'll almost say, if they end up overturning a second case like this on technicalities, well, it's not worse, obviously, because I don't want the case. It's still bad though, because the court of public opinion, like it sees this, like winning on a technicality now, doesn't feel like it's sufficient, but like, as I say, I mean, they've gone, they're persisting with this extremely overtly aggressive stance, and it does come a point after an outcome like that, we think, like, I suppose your point about, you know, and what we're talking about, where it kind of reaches pantomime level. I mean, it increasingly feels like it's just this kind of defiance of reality. And almost is it too far to say delusion? I mean, look, they know the details. Well, we are, we're not talking speculative anymore. We're talking about the end of a process, a decision, and the, well, the opening now of an appeal process, but it's, it is, it's, it's remarkable. As you say, like, there are, there are geopolitical dimensions. And like, that doesn't, right, the city of always denied their state owns. Caldwell and Al Mubarak, the chairman, has insisted it's in a private capacity. One of the same time he has spoken about that a lot of what they do actually is wrapped up with the identity and with the values of Abu Dhabi. I mean, but when Abu Dhabi is an absolute monarchy, we're quite, um, with a lot of diplomatic power. Now, the one, the wonder there is how much political pressure is going to be applied. Um, but in that, I mean, I was speaking to people in those circles and they think it is possible, but equally, like, this isn't the kind of a one way relationship them in the UK. I mean, like, you're talking about kind of dark threads. Well, like, as someone with a lot of knowledge that is raised to me, they, there is leverage and get away here because essentially the UK hasn't scrutinized the, or is understood to have not really scrutinized Abu Dhabi's, you know, their influence in Sudan, which is, you know, commonly seen as a human rights disaster. Let's lay something out here, right? The fact we're talking about these themes, is that not? And the fact is going so aggressive and even the reality of what is essentially this kind of scheme that we've seen over nine years, isn't, isn't it not absurd that we are discussing this for a game for football, for all its social power? And that is where, like, given we're getting into how there's going to be a immense revisionism of half of the Premier League's history, going back to city's first title in 2012 and the first half of the cup in 2011. There is a lot on the previous hierarchy, the Premier League, for allowing all this to happen, for not applying the type of scrutiny in history, because it must be said that when the club was first bought in 2008, this was in a much less informed world. And it's probably actually not until football leaks in 2018 that the reality of the relationship between the ownership and the state, essentially that it, I mean, Sheikh Mansour, he is the state really, but it wasn't until then, this was really laid out. Well, I mean, even the fact that even the most basic questions weren't asked, is of a piece where this, the Premier League era on the Richard Scudamore, which is extremely light and radical and regulation and extremely light on scrutiny of ownership, where basically the only bar to being an owner was a criminal conviction, and it opened up a world of problems. And we are facing the reckoning of this now. I mean, a branch of it just gone, at least two of those league titles, you know, were the subject of a disciplinary case of their own. And I'm still up to believe they should have been stripped. That Tottenham say it should be, should be champions in 2017. City actually would have been champions in 2015. So suppose from this, you've got to go down the one more position. Well, I mean, this, I'm like, but even saying that it sounds absurd. Yeah, like this is, it's a reckoning for the Premier League at the same time. They have shown like the integrity of sport is dependent on strong regulation. And it's interesting. I drew the kind of the Calciopoli parallel earlier. I think like Calciopoli, it did probably end or definitively end a series era as the kind of the elite world league of the 90s. And there will be parallel to drawn with this. And how maybe this is a similar reckoning for the Premier League. That is possible. I would maybe slightly disagree just in the sense that I think we're more ingredients that were at play at a time that ensured Syria was going to lose its status. It's a bit different for the Premier League. And there is also the base reality, something like this is another thing. And we're like city at the moment. It feels like something akin to Enron or the news of the world, where this is now a toxic institution. The name of the club has been blackened, like an hence, but from that, I mean, if city were to go, what I have material impact in the Premier League, I don't think so, because even before this, look at the way people were talking about it, look at the court of public opinion, the way opposition fans talked about their titles, the way this kind of cased gas, such a cloud or everything for so long, to lose that, to lose Manchester City in that form. I don't think would impact the Premier League that much. One thing just there, you talked about just the whole institution being a bit of a kind of basket case and corrupt. It's interesting that if you go back to the Infantino story that we obviously discussed a few weeks ago, some of his colleagues and some people who were close to him have come out and came out against Infantino and briefed against him and said, what is happening is wrong. Nothing like that has happened yet as city. I just wonder whether you surprised that Soriano, Caldune, everyone's been so entrenched in this like bizarre defense, which feels increasingly unhinged from reality. So I've been having a lot of conversations about this over the course of the day and I've already been talking to former city staff. And I mean, some of them are like, I gasped at this. And also with like, I mean, they kind of feel some of this reflects on their own careers, but a common line is, and I think this can be seen on how like, there's a pattern of behavior there that persisted through different employees being at the club. So it does come down to, you know, a lot of the leadership, say, and also there's a sense that even like I wrote this in the big piece I did on Tuesday morning, then I already seems like an age ago. But like when football leaks dropped in November 2018, my sources about the club at the time tell, tell me that there was a two track response, the staff were barely told anything. Some of them bleed the statements. Then they were, they were a bit kind of struck when they go into the real world and be called cheats. But then there was the other kind of was the other response, which was essentially the leadership circled wagons. And there was the main desire was to insulate the chairman who was responsible for the letter on Saturday, Caldwell and El Mubarak, because I mean, as we discussed, he is the most senior influential non-Royal and Abu Dhabi. So a position of huge standing there, a very important standing. But again, it just, I know I keep saying this, but it's because there's so many moments with this whole story. We stand back and think about the dimensions to it, the scale. Like it's obviously, it's way, way, way beyond a football story. Final point, Miguel, before we wrap up is, I guess, then to throw forward to the sanctions themselves, I know the PL said, but primarily said in their statement, they want to get this done as quickly as possible. Obviously, it's taken an awful, awful long time to get to this point. Hopefully the sanction hearing doesn't drag out too long. What do you expect? You said right at the top of this podcast that you think it's the sort of, you know, the worst possible scenario really now for city in terms of punishment. What do you actually think that will be? What would you expect that to be? So I think it depends on the strength of feeling. So like, so as far as we know about the process now, city happened to a Friday to appeal, I think it's obvious they will. That process, I think is anticipated to go until November, unless they managed to do the success from the appeal and they kind of, you know, raise the managed to successfully prove flaws in the process, then there's a potential of a retrial, which would feel absurd. They could well go to the high court. I think that is obviously, obviously, explore. But if they don't get anything overturned and the Premier League precedes its sanctions, obviously there's a precedent of Everett and Forest and what that says for what would like to be a massive points deduction. Although this is where it gets a bit tricky because we're not tricky. This is where it gets a bit complicated because the Premier League suddenly has to balance numerous potential implications or numerous potential elements to this. A, a punishment to fifth, the decision, B, to show the rules of teeth as a deterrent and see also what's in the best interest of Premier League as a body. And this is where like where you questions are raised, suppose about, because it's a Premier League, it would recommend the independent panel and is the independent panel that will ultimately come back from the, come with the sanction. But I think it is seen as a bit surprising, it would be seen as unexpected that they exceed any recommendation with the Premier League. But as with so much, this is a unique case. So I think we would have at the least expect a massive points deduction, maybe a layered points deduction, because something that's been raised a lot now is whether the punishments should actually match the scale of the positive impact for the club that they were allowed to kind of build over various seasons. So maybe they should be kind of almost held back through punishments or whatever you see. How would you do that, though, in practicality? Because if you try and do that over series of seasons, if they're relegated, presumably the Premier League's points deductions would not apply in the EFL, it would become quite nice. So yeah, and then, but then there's the other dimension that is, which I mentioned right at the top, expulsion, which I think the language warrants. So for expulsion to happen, it would require a special shareholder's meeting and it would require a vote of 15 from speaking to people a year ago, sorry, from the clubs, as in the clubs in the 15 clubs. Yeah, from speaking to people a year ago, there's not much appetite for that. A lot of the kind of most critical executives are those who there throughout the period covered by this investigation, those essentially cheated. They, a lot of them aren't in the league anymore. The nature of some ownership has changed. There's a lot of private equity, private equity generally involves a lot of investment from the Gulf and Abu Dhabi. I've already had people say to me that people will be conscious of wider relationships, but also to suppose it's just to strengthen the feeling of, I mean, from speaking to people in football, as well as a shock. There's obviously kind of the long anticipation for this and it's gone on for so long that kind of people are a bit inured, but then there's the reality, the document itself and people do feel angry. Yeah, but then of course, if they were to be, you mentioned kind of where their points, doctions were to apply in the championship or anything like that, but if they're to be expelled, there's no compunction for the championship to just take them in. They don't have to apply to go into the EFL from league two. Yeah. So this is, there's still so much to happen, but this, but obviously given we actually have the document is so much more than the initial report on Friday. Okay, well, we'll leave it there. I mean, we'll find a question. If you had to guess where Manchester City will start next season, which league they will be in? What would you guess right now? Your instinct. I say the Premier League pending appeal. Okay, I court, but I we're in on charter territory. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we will leave it there. Good to chat, Miguel. And yeah, we'll probably pick this up. I'm sure in a couple of days time. Thank you, Miguel. Thank you to our producer, Jamie Mcdonald. Thank you for listening. And we will be back in a few days time. Bye bye.