🎙️ Tifo Football Podcast
•September 15, 2026
•⏱️ 1h 19m
No goals for Spurs, are Villa in crisis? & Fulham make changes!
🎧 Listen to Original Episode →1. Executive Overview: Core Theses & Key Revelations
The contemporary footballing ecosystem exists in a state of perpetual tactical oscillation. As tactical innovations gain widespread adoption across elite leagues, they inevitably generate their own counter-mechanisms. The recent edition of the Tifo Football Podcast, titled "No goals for Spurs, are Villa in crisis? & Fulham make changes!", serves as an essential empirical case study of this systemic tension. Featuring an authoritative panel comprising John McEnzy, Ruben Binders, Jacob Tanswell, and Nathan Clark, the discussion moves beyond superficial scoreline reporting to examine the structural friction defining the early 2025/26 campaign.
At the center of this conversation are several defining revelations that articulate the strategic realities facing modern managers across the English football pyramid:
- The Neutralization of Press-Baiting Architecture: Tactical frameworks heavily reliant on drawing opposition pressure—most prominently exemplified by Roberto De Zerbi’s build-up mechanics—are encountering a severe systemic bottleneck. As opposition block structures refuse to engage in high-pressing triggers, press-baiting frameworks collapse under their own success, transforming deliberate possession into sterile perimeter passing.
- Tottenham Hotspur’s Dogmatic Structural Deficit: Spurs' historic opening-season drought—failing to score in their opening four Premier League fixtures—is not merely an statistical anomaly, but the result of rigid tactical dogmatism. The panel highlights a fundamental mismatch between managerially mandated positional structures and player profiles capable of accessing intermediate half-space channels.
- Chelsea’s Transition Dependency and Low-Block Vulnerability: Drawing explicit tactical parallels to Manchester United’s post-Sir Alex Ferguson structural paralysis, Chelsea continue to struggle when denied open-field transition opportunities. Hull City’s disciplined defensive display at Stamford Bridge exposed Chelsea’s inability to break down compact mid-to-low blocks without over-relying on individual transition dynamics.
- Fulham’s Midfield Recalibration at Anfield: Marco Silva’s tactical pivot toward a dual-anchor pairing of Sander Berge and Shay Charles demonstrated how mid-table clubs can establish structural equilibrium against elite pressing setups. The pairing provided Fulham with elite second-ball control and press resistance during their hard-fought draw against Liverpool.
- Arsenal’s Restored Right-Sided Asymmetry: Mikel Arteta’s tactical framework has re-established its primary offensive engine through the synchronized movements of Bukayo Saka, Ben White, and Martin Odegaard. This revived triadic relationship, paired with emerging mechanical variations against low blocks, highlights how top-tier sides adapt to deep defensive shape.
- Pyramid Dynamics and Contextual Anomalies: The contrast between Coventry City’s disastrous historical drought (becoming only the fifth team in top-flight history to lose their opening four matches without scoring) and West Ham United’s overwhelming Championship dominance (20 goals scored across seven matches) illustrates how squad quality manifests radically depending on league environment and spatial availability.
2. Context & Background: The Landscape Leading to This Conversation
To fully comprehend the analytical weight of the panel’s observations, one must situate the early 2025/26 season within the broader evolution of European tactical trends over the past decade. The mid-to-late 2010s were dominated by the ascendance of hyper-structured positional play (Juego de Posición) and aggressive Gegenpressing. These philosophies prioritized maximum pitch coverage, rapid counter-pressing triggers, and micro-managed positional assignments during early phase build-up.
However, footballing tactical history is defined by action and reaction. As positional play became standardized across top-flight coaching badges, opposition analysts developed sophisticated defensive counter-measures. The primary counter-revolution has taken the form of deep, compact defensive blocks that actively disengage from early build-up phase pressure. Rather than sprinting forward to challenge center-backs on the ball, modern defensive units sit in low-to-mid 4-4-2 or 5-3-2 blocks, compressing vertical and horizontal spaces between their defensive and midfield lines.
This macro-environmental shift has created significant friction for teams whose offensive playbooks were designed around exploiting space behind an aggressive press. When opponents refuse to press, the space behind them vanishes. Consequently, clubs across the Premier League—from high-spending heavyweights like Chelsea to system-driven teams like Tottenham Hotspur—find themselves confronting deep block structures with attack plans that demand space that simply does not exist.
Simultaneously, historical precedents highlight the operational peril of early-season structural failure. When a club begins a campaign incapable of converting possession into high-value chances, systemic doubt quickly metastasizes. The panel’s analysis arrives at a moment when managerial patience is shorter than ever, squad construction costs are at record highs, and tactical dogma frequently clashes with empirical matchday realities.
3.1 The De Zerbi Dilemma: Tactical Baiting and the Paradox of Self-Defeating Success
A central theoretical foundation established during the podcast centers on John McEnzy’s incisive diagnosis of Roberto De Zerbi’s build-up mechanics. De Zerbi’s tactical system achieved global acclaim for its revolutionary use of deliberate rest-possession and press-invitation. By instructing center-backs and deep pivots to stand on the ball, pause, and invite opposition forwards into aggressive pressing traps, De Zerbi-coached sides created massive artificial transition space behind the opponent's first two lines of defense.
However, McEnzy identifies a structural vulnerability inherent to this philosophy: the system effectively collapses under its own success. When an offensive framework relies entirely on the opponent taking the bait, its efficacy is tied to opposition behavior. Once rival managers realize that pressing De Zerbi’s team leads directly to defensive compromise, they alter their match plan entirely.
"The problem with De Zerbi's approach is that it collapses under its own success. If you are willing to be baited up and not defend it in the correct way, then they'll take you apart. But what teams do is they start refusing to take the bait."
When opposition teams disengage and maintain compact mid-block geometry, De Zerbi’s teams lose their primary generator of high-value central progression. The artificial space behind the pressing line disappears because the pressing line never forms. The possession structure becomes static, forced into U-shaped passing combinations across the backline that generate high possession control metrics but zero interior penetration. This dynamic represents a profound strategic lesson for modern coaches: any build-up system that depends on opposition aggression becomes helpless when met with disciplined passive disengagement.
3.2 Tottenham’s Goalscoring Drought: Dogmatism, Profile Deficits, and the Emergent System That Failed to Emerge
Tottenham Hotspur’s start to the season represents one of the most stark statistical anomalies in recent Premier League history. Failing to register a single league goal across their opening four matches—culminating in a sterile 0-0 draw against Everton—Spurs have put themselves on the precipice of matching historic dry spells. Host and analyst commentary notes that only Crystal Palace in the 2017/18 season endured a longer opening-season goal drought (seven matches).
Producer and tactical analyst Nathan Clark offers a scathing assessment of Tottenham’s current tactical state, identifying a dangerous divergence between coaching intent and pitch execution:
"Spurs haven't really done any of that so far. It feels like there's been a kind of a quadrupling on a playstyle that has yet to emerge."
Clark’s critique highlights the danger of coaching dogmatism. When a manager repeatedly doubles down on high-risk, high-possession principles without establishing the underlying automations and spatial timing required for chance creation, the result is structural paralysis. Spurs dominate field tilt and mid-third possession, yet their attacks stall in the final third due to predictable movement patterns and lack of central penetration.
Adding vital player-level context, panelist Ruben highlights a severe squad recruitment deficit that exacerbates Spurs’ tactical rigidity:
"I watched all of Spurs' games this season, and there's so many times when I see it, and I think a different player would have actually accessed the space here. They would have got through, and that's what I think is missing."
Ruben’s observation underscores a fundamental rule of tactical design: systems do not interpret space; individual players do. Even when a tactical scheme theoretically creates pockets of space between opposition midfield and defensive lines, Spurs currently lack midfield profile operators capable of turn-and-face acceleration, deceptive micro-passing, or line-breaking vision. Without players capable of accessing and exploiting those spatial pockets, Spurs’ possession remains slow, exterior, and easily contained by deep defensive lines.
3.3 Chelsea and the Low-Block Trap: Transition Dependency, Hull City’s Resilience, and Post-Fergie Parallels
Chelsea’s scoreless frustration against Hull City at Stamford Bridge provided the panel with another vital springboard to analyze top-flight structural flaws. Despite possessing an expensive, talent-dense squad, Chelsea found themselves unable to break down a resilient Hull City side that executed a textbook deep block. Jacob Tanswell notes that Hull remained disciplined, highly compact, and comfortable defending their own penalty area while looking for direct counter-attacking opportunities.
John McEnzy draws a direct structural comparison between Chelsea’s current offensive ceiling and Manchester United’s decade-long struggles in the post-Sir Alex Ferguson era:
"This is something that Chelsea, this happened to Chelsea in this game. It's in many respects, sort of similar to what we've been talking about with Manchester United over the post-Fergie era, right? This idea that if you have a team who can play in transition, they're going to thrive as soon as you stop giving that kind of space up."
This transition dependency is a hallmark of teams constructed around rapid, athletic forward profiles who excel in open space but lack elite structural breakdown mechanics against organized low blocks. When an opponent drops ten players behind the ball, counter-attacking channels disappear. Chelsea’s attempt to alter their setup by removing defensive pivot balance and adding an extra forward player into a 4-2-3-1 structure yielded little tactical gain, as simply throwing additional bodies into a congested box often reduces spatial clarity rather than creating it.
| Club | Tactical Deficit | Primary Opposition Counter | Structural Consequence |
|---|---|---|---|
| Tottenham Hotspur | Profile mismatch in central half-spaces | Deep low-block disengagement | Sterile possession, 0 goals in 4 matches |
| Chelsea | Transition dependency & spatial over-reliance | Compact 4-4-2 deep block (Hull City) | Final-third congestion, counter vulnerability |
| De Zerbi Systems | Press-baiting single-thread build-up | Refusal to press center-backs/pivots | U-shaped backline passing, loss of verticality |
3.4 Fulham’s Midfield Renaissance: The Berge-Charles Double Pivot and Structural Equilibrium at Anfield
In contrast to the structural struggles of Chelsea and Spurs, Marco Silva’s Fulham demonstrated remarkable tactical flexibility during their visit to Anfield. Holding Liverpool to a hard-fought draw, Fulham revealed a redesigned midfield architecture capable of absorbing extreme pressure while maintaining structural stability.
Jack Collins highlights the game-changing impact of Fulham’s new central midfield pairing:
"There was a significant change, not just in terms of personnel, but in terms of how Fulham went about their business. We saw a double pivot in midfield, of Sander Berge and Shay Charles, who looks like a Rolls Royce, by the way."
The introduction of Sander Berge alongside young talent Shay Charles provides Fulham with a balanced dual-pivot foundation. Berge contributes physical presence, press resistance, and wide carrying capabilities, while Charles offers exceptional positional intelligence, line-breaking distribution, and composure under pressure. Against a high-volume pressing team like Liverpool, this double pivot acts as a structural shock absorber.
By deploying two defensively capable, press-resistant midfielders, Fulham successfully protected their central backline, shut down Liverpool's half-space combinations, and provided a stable platform for rapid transition exits. Fulham’s performance underscores an important tactical truth: establishing midfield structural equilibrium is often the single most effective way for mid-table sides to nullify elite financial superiority.
3.5 Arsenal’s Restored Asymmetry: The Saka-White-Odegaard Triangle and Evolving Low-Block Solutions
While rival contenders stumble against deep blocks, Arsenal have managed to maintain offensive fluency by restoring their most potent positional partnership. Panelist Ruben details how Bukayo Saka’s dynamic start to the campaign—scoring three goals in four games—has been driven by the return of Arsenal’s right-sided triadic engine:
"Bukayo Saka started the season with three goals in four games. He's linking up really well with Ben White and Martin Odegaard down the right side of the pitch, which is a relationship that we've seen in previous seasons, but maybe last year we didn't get to see a lot of due to injuries."
The Saka-White-Odegaard triangle functions as a masterpiece of spatial choreography. Odegaard’s positioning in the right half-space pinches the opponent's left central midfielder inward; Ben White’s overlapping or underlapping runs pull the opposition left-back out of shape; this creates one-on-one isolations or inner passing lanes for Saka to attack. Last season’s injury disruptions forced Arsenal into fragmented right-side attacks, but their current fitness stability has re-established this lethal mechanism.
Furthermore, John McEnzy hints at novel tactical adaptations Mikel Arteta is implementing to crack compact low blocks. Rather than relying solely on wide overloads, Arsenal have begun employing asymmetrical center-back pushes and varied tempo switches that force low blocks to slide horizontally faster than their defensive shapes can manage. This mechanical evolution demonstrates that breaking down deep blocks requires continuous innovation rather than dogmatic repetition.
3.6 Historical Anomalies and Lower-Tier Realities: Coventry’s Historic Drought vs. West Ham’s Championship Blitz
The podcast’s final analytical movement examines contrast across the broader footballing pyramid, evaluating two extremes of team momentum. On one end lies Coventry City’s catastrophic return to top-flight struggle, becoming only the fifth side in English football history to lose their opening four matches of a campaign without scoring a single goal.
Opta statistical data cited on the show places Coventry’s drought in rare historical context, aligning them with historical anomalies spanning over a century of top-flight football:
- Derby County (1899/1900): Failed to score while losing their opening four top-flight fixtures.
- Stoke City (1906/07): Suffered four consecutive opening shutout defeats.
- Preston North End (1924/25): Standardized early-season scoring impotence during the interwar era.
- Crystal Palace (2017/18): Extended their dry spell to seven matches before finally scoring under Roy Hodgson.
- Coventry City (Current Campaign): The fifth top-flight side to endure this grueling start.
On the opposite end of the spectrum lies West Ham United’s explosive start to their Championship campaign. Amassing 14 points from seven matches and scoring an astounding 20 goals, West Ham are demonstrating what happens when top-flight technical quality encounters second-tier defensive structures. Featuring elite individual performances from Jarrod Bowen and Kyle Walker-Peters, West Ham are shredding Championship defenses through sheer technical speed and spatial authority. This dramatic contrast illustrates how football performance is fundamentally relative: the same technical profiles that struggle for space in the Premier League can look unstoppable when granted extra yards of room in lower divisions.
4. Speaker Perspectives & Analytical Contrast
A major strength of the Tifo Football Podcast lies in the distinct analytical methodologies brought by each panelist. Rather than falling into standard consensus commentary, the episode thrives on the productive contrast between macro-tactical theory, squad recruitment analysis, beat reporting pragmatism, and quantitative data breakdown.
John McEnzy (Macro-Tactical Theorist): McEnzy operates as the structural philosopher of the panel. His contributions center on identifying abstract tactical failure modes, such as the self-defeating nature of De Zerbian press-baiting or the historical transition dependency shared by Chelsea and post-Ferguson Manchester United. McEnzy evaluates football through structural mechanics and opposition incentives, focusing on how systems function when stripped of idealized conditions.
Ruben Binders (Profile & Spatial Analyst): Ruben brings a micro-level focus to player profiles and spatial awareness. His diagnosis of Tottenham Hotspur’s attacking paralysis centers not on abstract tactical diagrams, but on individual player attributes—noting that Spurs lack midfielders capable of processing spatial cues and accessing intermediate pockets between opposition lines. His analysis of Arsenal’s right-side triangle similarly highlights the micro-mechanics of player chemistry between Saka, White, and Odegaard.
Jacob Tanswell (Empirical Beat Reporter): Bringing on-the-ground reporting insight from Aston Villa and Hull City coverage, Tanswell grounds the discussion in empirical matchday realities. He evaluates how clubs manage locker-room expectations, integrate summer signings, and execute pragmatic tactical adjustments—such as Hull’s disciplined low block or Villa’s direct adaptations—without falling victim to theoretical over-complication.
Nathan Clark (Quantitative & Automation Specialist): Clark provides precise tactical diagnoses regarding coaching execution. His observation that Spurs are "quadrupling down on a playstyle that has yet to emerge" highlights the gap between managerial vision and pitch-level automation, offering a critical lens on how tactical dogmatism can undermine results.
The Host (Editorial Conductor & Statistical Anchor): Operating as the editorial anchor, the host seamlessly weaves Opta historical data (such as Coventry’s top-flight drought records) with conversational humor, ensuring the discourse remains engaging while maintaining high analytical rigor.
5. Strategic & Industry Implications
The tactical phenomena analyzed during this episode carry deep strategic implications for football executives, technical directors, and head coaches operating across elite European competitions:
1. The End of Single-Thread Positional Dogmatism: Managers who rely exclusively on one build-up mechanism—whether press-baiting or rigid inverted fullback patterns—are becoming increasingly vulnerable. Modern opposition analysis departments can decipher single-thread tactical models within weeks. Success in the modern era requires build-up multi-modality: the ability to switch between press-baiting, direct vertical progression, and wide overload patterns within the same match.
2. Recruitment Priorities Must Shift to Half-Space Line-Breakers: Tottenham Hotspur’s scoring crisis demonstrates that spending heavily on high-volume passing defenders or wide wingers is insufficient if a squad lacks central half-space operators. Technical directors must prioritize recruiting midfielders who possess dual-oriented skill sets: press resistance under pressure paired with immediate forward vision to unlock low blocks.
3. Midfield Equilibrium as a Financial Equalizer: Fulham’s success with the Berge-Charles double pivot proves that mid-table clubs do not need to match elite spending line-for-line to remain competitive. By constructing a physically dominant, press-resistant central midfield core, non-elite clubs can disrupt the passing rhythms of hyper-wealthy opponents and neutralize financial disparity through structural balance.
6. Looking Ahead: Unresolved Questions & Next Milestones
As the football calendar moves toward the upcoming international break, several key tactical storylines and quantitative metrics will determine the trajectory of the campaign:
- Tottenham’s Scoring Metric Threshold: Will Spurs adjust their offensive build-up structure to introduce faster central progression, or will their goal drought approach Crystal Palace’s historic seven-match record? The key metric to watch is field tilt versus expected goals (xG) per shot sequence.
- De Zerbian Tactical Adaptation: How will Roberto De Zerbi and managers employing press-baiting principles evolve when facing passive low blocks? The key test will be whether these sides can introduce secondary build-up variations that generate central chances without relying on opposition pressing triggers.
- Chelsea’s Low-Block Resolution: Can Chelsea develop sustained positional breakdown patterns against compact 4-4-2 shapes, or will they remain reliant on open-field transitions? Monitoring their performance against mid-table low blocks will reveal whether their tactical adjustments are taking root.
- Fulham’s Midfield Sustainability: Will the Sander Berge and Shay Charles double pivot maintain its high performance ceiling across a grueling 38-game calendar, and can Fulham convert their structural solidity into consistent European qualification contention?
- Coventry’s Rebound vs. West Ham’s Dominance: Can Coventry City break their historic scoring curse before psychological inertia sets in, and will West Ham United sustain their historic Championship scoring pace to secure automatic promotion?
💬 Key Quotes & Speaker Breakdown
Roberto De Zerbi tactical analysis
"The problem with De Zerbi's approach is that it collapses under its own success. If you are willing to be baited up and not defend it in the correct way, then they'll take you apart. But what teams do is they start refusing to take the bait."
Coventry City relegation battle
"Coventry are the fifth side in top flight history to lose each of their opening four matches of a campaign without scoring."
Tottenham Hotspur tactics
"Spurs haven't really done any of that so far. It feels like there's been a kind of a quadrupling on a playstyle that has yet to emerge."
Chelsea tactical struggles
"This is something that Chelsea, this happened to Chelsea in this game. It's in many respects, sort of similar to what we've been talking about with Manchester United over the post-Fergie era, right? This idea that if you have a team who can play in transition, they're going to thrive as soon as you stop giving that kind of space up."
Tottenham Hotspur recruitment
"I watched all of Spurs' games this season, and there's so many times when I see it, and I think a different player would have actually accessed the space here. They would have got through, and that's what I think is missing."
Bukayo Saka form
"Bukayo Saka started the season with three goals in four games. He's linking up really well with Ben White and Martin Odegaard down the right side of the pitch, which is a relationship that we've seen in previous seasons, but maybe last year we didn't get to see a lot of due to injuries."
Fulham tactical changes
"There was a significant change, not just in terms of personnel, but in terms of how Fulham went about their business. We saw a double pivot in midfield, of Sander Berge and Shay Charles, who looks like a Rolls Royce, by the way."
Hull City form
"Hull are difficult to break down. They haven't conceded until I think the Stamford Bridge game. They've been quite basic, but quite effective in going forward. They're going quite directly."
West Ham Championship form
"Watching Jarrod Bowen in the Championship is like a hot knife through butter. It does remind you that there aren't really any bad professional footballers. They're just like in the wrong context at the wrong time."
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Oh no, I've been marked. I've been mercilessly marked in my own home. Hello and welcome to the TFO Football Podcast. All sponsored by EA Sports FC, 27. How exciting is that now? Joining me today on the show. You've already heard him do an impression of me. It's not me again. It's him. It's John McEnzy. Oh, my voice is still screaming. You sounded like a dog that was howling then. Yeah, sorry. Like that dog manner in Peter Pan. Remember that one? I'll stick to a lower register. I think I sound a bit more ASMR down here. Very exciting down there. Pleasing all the people listening to in the car radio on the morning now. Robin Binders here. Hello. Wow, that's actually very good. Yeah. Yeah. That's your impression of an ill-John. Yeah. Yeah. That's my impression of an ill-John doing an impression of you. Yeah. Very nice. Now, and he's the athletics intrepid reporter for all things, Aston Villa. Welcome. Jacob Tanswell. Hello. Oh, there you go. Also, a lovely deep register. We're all such deep boys today. Also, Steve Pankees here. Wow. Oh, God. It's got to become a thing. If you didn't like that, don't listen to the episode. There's two more thrown in there of various places. And I tell you, Steve Mewing is even saying those disgusting isn't it? It makes me so uncomfortable. Oh, how grim. Anyway, there we go. Now, what did we talk about on today's show? Well, what's the longest walk you've ever done? I started talking about walking the Camino again. Have I already talked about that? Yeah. Oh, wow. There you get, well, listen, I've got to get out there and do more things. So I have more stuff to talk about. You've got to remember, live a life. Now, what else? John has his favorite sticker album with him, and he tests us on, don't hold it up in my frame again. Oh, my God. Hold it the other side of your body. Oh, there it is. Now, John's favorite sticker albums here, and he tests us on the 1999 2000 Premier League season. It is indeed right, Steve, a bunch of guys naming old footballers and having the best time in theory, naming them. Yeah, I mean, I didn't have the best time because I couldn't name any of them. Then we talk about Spurs. They haven't scored a league goal yet, but the things actually that bad, well, we're not sure. We'll talk about that. We play Rondo, very exciting Rondo. And after that, we do a deep dive into Aston Villa. Will their early season struggles work themselves out? Once the new players have settled in, well, we discuss how quickly can someone throw a football 60 meters? We I don't think we decide the answer to that, but we do discuss it. My brave boys, Fulham, Held Firm and Anfielders Liverpool dropped yet more points in a stuttering start to the season. We talk a little bit about Fulham, but we're going to talk about Liverpool on Thursday's episode. So if you're expecting that here, leave now. Hull City, they just keep doing it down there. This time they took a point off Chelsea, and we talk a little bit about why. And West Ham have hit some fine form in the championship. So we touch very briefly, very, I would say very brief. I don't want to, I don't want anyone to think that we're actually talking about West Ham because whilst we do for sort of three or four minutes, it's not worth hanging around the whole episode for if you, you know, it's like a nice bonus at the end. If you're a West Ham fan who wants to listen to other things, it's like a nice, brucey bonus. But it's not, it's not something to skip forward to or to hold on for. I wouldn't want to oversell it. I don't want you to be disappointed when you get there. This might be longer than the West Ham set. Yeah, just what I'm doing now. Could you absolutely right? Killing your own retention right here. Yes, exact. I know. I'm purposefully trying to do it. And yet the show keeps growing. It's bizarre, isn't it? And that's the whole show. And very quick, I want to say on Thursday, I'm joined by John, JJ and Hamza from the times of London. So that's where we're going to talk about Liverpool. There's a ring for analysis this week on Saturday. We haven't yet decided what it's going to be. So we'll do that. And there's no livestream on Sunday or for a few weeks as we'll hit the international break after that. But three shows a week should, should keep you going. International break. Yes. Yeah, you like it. Yeah, man. You're looking forward to it. Yeah. Because you want to watch England. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, two calls boys back in action. The tookster. That's it. I've got everything Steve. Yeah. All right. Well, there we go. Enjoy the show. Now, before we begin in earnest, we were just saying, John, what were you saying that a friend of yours in California is a villa fan and heard that Jacob Tanswell was coming on the show? What were you saying? He was very excited. You said that Jacob is much loved in California. That's nice. Well, you said that you thought maybe there was only one villa fan in California. Not true. I'm looking at the website of the Aston Villa FC California supporters club. I like that the logo has a golden gate bridge in light blue. It's got the little yellow lion on the golden gate bridge. Here it is. A VFC California. It's a family of Aston Villa football club supporters based in the San Francisco Bay Area. Have you ever been to the Bay Area? I haven't, but if they won't invite me out. Yeah. There you go. Well, hello to the Aston Villa supporters club in California. John, if your friend doesn't know they exist, hook up. That's what these things are for. You know, I don't know if he lives in the Bay Area, to be honest. California is a big place. Yeah. Yeah. Just drive. Sure. It's close. No buyers. It's like the same as going to Norwich from it switch or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's just no big deal. Americans like that. There won't they? They're like, yeah, you know, I did a 17 hour trip. Firstly, they will happily just drive 10 hours to go somewhere or like move 2,000 miles for a job. This is true. We speak to some of our American colleagues and say, well, what do you do at the weekend? They say, I went home. This is my parents. Was that far? No, no, it was just a 14 hour drive. Yeah. It's like you could literally do the entirety of the UK up and down the wreck. I've gone up in like New York and then there's like, yeah, I'm just going to move in a Denver. Yeah. Why? The job for 10 hours and there's still in New York. Very exciting. Well, there we go. Okay. That was America. We've done that. And now football, where else to begin, of course, them with, well, now seriously, where else to begin, them with spurs, nil, nil, everton. Well, maybe a game, a game with a goal in it. Well, we could have done that a bit. Although the absence of a goal is what makes this special Ruben because Tottenham have still now failed to score in all four of their Premier League games so far this season, according to Opta and according to Steve. According to Steve, according to Opta, I should say, only Crystal Palace in the 2017-18 season have had a longer, dry spell. According to me, that is correct. Is that according to you, that's correct as well? Yeah. According to you, John? No, wrong. Wrong. Really? Where are you getting your information from? From California? From the JJ Bull Book of Business. I can see what you've gone wrong. That was seven games. Is that record? Right. That was seven games and then then they scored. Yeah. Yeah, after that. That's how that ran. They got kicked out of the league after seven games for not scoring. Right. No, that was the Frank DeBois season. It was four games, then Roy Hodgson for three and then they scored against Chelsea. Got it. Yeah. Well, I'm keen to move on, but I can see that Steve is excitedly typing in the plan. He hasn't finished typing yet. I'll read what he's written so far. John O'Grokes to LAN's end would take 15. Oh, such a shame. We'll never know what the end of that sentence. Oh, he's finished. 15 to 16 hours with current traffic. Okay. John O'Grokes, that's the place in the north, the most northern spot of Scotland, doesn't it? Yeah. I reckon you can make it, though, if you drove through the night, I reckon you'd be able to do it in less than 40. Was it 40? Yeah. He said a current traffic. It's right now. It's 11. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of people. John O'Grokes is absolutely chocolate black right now. Not talking about lands, eh? Yeah. Good to see me. Let even get us started on LAN's end at this time of the day. Yeah. There you go. People do that walk, though. Don't know, they cycle it. They cycle on the other one, yeah. Have you ever done that? No. What's the longest walk you've done? That's a good question. Yeah. I don't think it may be a 15 mile. I don't think I've done anything really big. No, but I mean, you can, you can chain days together. Like, for example, I've done four days of walking a little bit of the Camino, Camino. I did, I think, 35 miles or something. That's my longest walk, but it took four days. Longest walk, Jacob? Probably someone holiday. You just walk, don't you? A little bit more. You just walk two miles. What's that? Yeah, what is that on holiday? I think you have to convert it to euros and then it's like one mile or something. What about you? I have no idea. I don't walk long distances. He's never left London this far. I just used a tube, man. Yeah. It's a train station. Walking to the football station. That sounds northern to me, man. Walking everywhere. Genuinely, probably like, well, what felt like the longest walk is probably like doing camping at a music festival, where you're going from car park to campsite. The longest walk was a Victorian tube station, where it took 15 minutes for a train, changing lines of bank. I'm all right. To be fair, that is my own. Glacenbury was great, but you had to keep walking. I've never been to Glacenbury. You never been to Glacenbury. I think the tickets go on sale soon, don't they? I think I'm aging out of the good years to go. No, you age back in in Glacenbury. Yeah, but he's out for now. It's not another 15 years before he ages back in. It's going to take a long time for you to re-embrace life and enjoy it properly. Right now, you're in the cynical era. You'll come out of it at some point. Where are you? How old are you? I'm 25. Oh, you're fine. You're 25. You should go to Glacenbury this year. Do you know what? I've been lost two years. Have you? Exactly. That's exactly my point group. That's exactly my point. No, my shock at your age was how accomplished you are at your job, and it just makes me feel like a failure. I'm 30. Anyway, moving on. Let's not get on to ages. What was I saying? Oh, yeah. Now, listen, we're going to come to talk about whether or not spurs have the opportunity to break that terrific crystal palace record. Would you, no, he's a question. Would you like that or not? Do you like the crystal palace have a record? Or is it one that you prefer? Well, I enjoyed bringing you to an end. No, I would like spurs to break that, right? Yeah, yeah. What's somebody else to have it? There's the possibility that it could happen, although I think maybe not. We'll come back and talk about that in a second, but to start with, we did our livestream yesterday after the Manchester Derby and producer Nathan Clark, who's also a host of the Extra Inch Spurs podcast. He was here. So after we finished live streaming, we spoke to Nathan and we asked him why spurs still haven't scored after four games. Here's what he had to say. I think there's the sort of the convenient answer for spurs fans, which is that it's the start of a new coach almost. If you exclude a handful of games in the last season, we'll be playing an arrangement way. And you can say that the 11 has been jumbled about a lot of new transfers. All these things take time to settle. We haven't really put out an 11, which I think would be unanimously approved by his first fans as a whole. There's always a reason. And what John has talked about in the past in terms of a complex system, and that takes time. All that stuff is definitely true. But I also think it's not as simple as the ball arrives in the final third, and then what happens afterwards isn't good enough. I think that if you look at the recruitment that Spurs did in the summer towards their front players, especially, it's a lot of large distance players, long distance ball carriers. And that for me is like that's the kind of the classic deserving thing. You know what deserving wants to do. He wants to bait the opposition forward, play it round through or over, and then attack the space in behind very fast. Spurs haven't really done that, and it's four games, so it's not a huge sample, but Spurs haven't really done any of that so far. And so for me, it feels like there's been a kind of a quadrupling on a playstyle that has yet to emerge. Okay, there we go. That was Nathan. John, a Spurs still bad, or do you think, as maybe I think, that the scoreless run is perhaps like a bit of an unfortunate distraction from a team that actually seems to be improving? Well, we thought we'd get to that, Joe. Right. Got a little quiz for you. You've got a quiz for me. Yeah. Oh my god. This is the Premier League 1999 2000 official Merlin Sticker Collection, which I completed when I was younger. My dad was going to throw it away. I was at home this weekend, and I was like, no, this is a cultural artifact. That's the only reason you kept it because your dad was going to throw it away, right? Yeah, it's definitely not because I have actually quite deep bond to this stick, but it's completed. Right. But I thought what we could do is I could do a quiz every time we cover a team. Oh, yeah. You've got a name, a player who is on the stickers for that team. So I think Spurs were in this. So Spurs, they must have been because they've never been relegated. They've never been relegated. 1999 2000. 1999 2000. We remember it well, of course. Yeah. I wasn't even born, but yeah. Stop bragging about your age. No need to show up. Goodness me. There's the last time he's coming on the podcast. Right. Okay. I can just pick any player on this page. Jürgen Klinzmann is not on this page. That's great. Is it? Is it? You definitely know someone on this page. There's a center back, you know, Soul Campbell. Yes. Correct. Oh, my God. So I got one. Yeah. A French midfielder. Oh, do you know what? Jürgen Klinzmann was at Spurs until 1995, but only from 1994. So it was, it was, it was now a French midfielder. Is it, uh, uh, uh, Chau-Chau-Len, Vedruker, Vaulam, Chau-Len, Hedruker, Hedruker, Hedruker, Chau-Len, Chau-Len, Chau-Len. Is that Drew-Chau-Len? Oh, that is true. Who am I thinking of? Vedru, Chau-Len, Chau-Len, Chau-Len, Hedruker, Hedruker. Yeah, Chau-Len, Vedruker, Hedruker, Hedruker, Hedruker, Hedruker, Hedruker. It was, who was it, sorry? That was general. It was damage, general, though. Was David Bentley there? He wasn't. No. He could have had, uh, Chris Armstrong, he could have had Les Ferdinand. Right, of course. He could have had Ian Walker, the goalkeeper. Of course. Of course, I could have, how about that? Darren Underton? Darren Underton was there. Yeah. I like it, though. Bring it back when we do get to another club, yeah. Don't ask the question. The question was just, do you think that Spur's schoolless run is simply an unfortunate distraction from a team that is actually improving? Because it looks bad. I mean, it is bad. And it looks bad. But actually, it's not that bad. I think that people focus on things in catastrophising ways these days, right? Which is, oh, this hasn't happened so far. Therefore, it will always be bad forever for all eternity. Um, and I think what, what's so interesting about Serbia is that we've talked about this a lot. I've made videos about this. The, the tactical landscape is shifted. Teams are better at stopping his, his teams from doing what they want to do. That doesn't mean to say that it's now no longer a functional way of playing football. The question is more, where's it going to platter out at? If it platters out at mid table, that's probably not good enough for Spur's. But there's still the possibility that, you know, that's for me, that would be the worst case scenario. I expect them to be around mid table if the worst comes to the worst this season. Yeah. There's still a possibility that once they get going, as Nathan mentioned, I talk about complex systems and, you know, the way that Serbia wants to play is more complex than a lot of coaches are playing in the Premier League right now. And there's an argument to be made that actually complexity is much less functional than it once was. It used to be the case that if you had a complex system that could sustainably and consistently arrive in the final third and generate chances, then you were, you're probably going to be in the Champions League conversation. You were king. Yeah. Whether or not that's true is up for debate right now, because I think there's a lot of teams now who are, you know, playing quite simple approaches where you don't need to spend ages getting the ball from one end of the pitch to you. You can be direct. You can just sit in blocks and absorb pressure. Oliver Glasner has been doing it. He did it again against Villa at the weekend, where for most of that game, especially in the first half, they, you know, they didn't really seem to be doing a huge amount of football in terms of the on in possession side of things. So the big question is like, where is the needle swung to for me? Right. It's still going to be a functional way of playing football, I think. But he's going to have to find solutions to what he, what he isn't instinct is to do. And he's also going to have to deal with the fact that teams are much, much better at stopping him from doing the things he wants to do anyway. Yeah. Well, I mean, I was reading the athletic yesterday and Aquaman Wally said something I thought was interesting. So Tottenham's inability to break down deep defenses remains the biggest question for deserving and his players this season, which to be honest, you know, it has been a, is a problem that's been presented to lots of teams. It's a, it's a problem that's always presented itself to to deserve these teams. And I think that kind of hits the heart of what you're saying, right? All the world teams play against him in the way that would suit his football. It works very well. But when they don't, then you're expecting, I don't want to pick on Matthias Tal, although deserving seem to a weekend, but, you know, Matthias Tal and other forwards to break down compact blocks. That's tricky. Yeah. And it's, it's a big narrative of the chapter on deserving in my book, right? Which is, oh, here he goes, which is always mentioning the book. The problem with deserving approaches that it collapses under its own success, right? Which is if you, if you are willing to be baited up and not defend it in the correct way, then they'll, they'll take you apart. And so what teams do is they start refusing to take the bait or they make it harder for, for those central progressions to occur. And then suddenly, um, Spurs will be in a situation Nathan mentioned it where you've got a lot of players to play one system and your opponent are forcing you to play another system where you are breaking down a low block. And then there's questions about the, the overall functionality of it. And again, that swings the needle one way or another. If more teams are willing to just sit in against them, then it's going to be harder for them to, to get the benefits of the system. Yeah. Deserb, he did, he joked after the game, Ruben. But in Italy, he would be the best coach. I think the joke was intended because, uh, it's supposed to be too clueless now. They've had two clean cheeks. But, um, how do you think he's doing so far as in terms of his media management? Because it's a, you know, it's rough to not score any goals or win any games in the first four after spending 400 million pounds. Yeah. Well, everybody knew what kind of character he was, right? And, um, he's quite passionate. He speaks his mind, um, Spurs have had managers like that in the last few years and it can sometimes be quite unhelpful. Is he this season's Ruben Emmerim, do you think? In terms of like a coach who like will, will answer a question in actually quite a clever and fun way, but also in a way that we'll need to come back to by. Yeah. He has kind of not quite to the same extent been like downplaying his own team, right? Would we, would we speak about this recently where Emmerim was always say, um, it's the worst man United team of all time. Right. You know, he was always learning expectations. Yeah. And maybe to preserve his own status as well. So Deserb, he's doing a bit of that. He's not quite gone full Conte yet, which you should never go full Conte. Um, I found interesting, uh, quote in Jack Pit Brooks, Jack Pit Brooks piece of Deserb, he's saying the last decision, the last pass, we have to shoot more times, especially when we have space and time to do so, we have to do it with the right spirit. And Jack is kind of speaking a lot about how they get into the final third. And then there's a bit of a psychological block with bravery to take a risk in the final third. Um, having played really well in the first half an hour, Jack was kind of hypothesizing that maybe the fact that they didn't score in that spell is what then let them know for the rest of the game and kind of affected their decision making. Because they were great in the first sort of 20 minutes, the 30 minutes. And obviously, they didn't concede in this game. Um, but they do have a habit of like head-dropping when they go a goal down. Yeah. So this was like a different kind of version of that where, oh, we've played so well, and we still haven't scored. Um, and then everything starts to kind of get worse from there. But I suppose if they want to cling on to positives, Madison came on, Curtis came on, you'd hope that like with the tactical problems that they now face in breaking down deep defenses, then players like that might help. Yeah. Compared to the kind of lineups that they've had to put out with say like Gallagher didn't play yesterday, but he's played as a 10 quite often under deserve, which is probably not the sort of profile that he wants there. So, um, it's not, it's not gone full disaster crisis mode in the media room yet. But, um, I'm sure he won't shy away from making it. So should these bad results continue? We did have, we had a conversation yesterday on, on the live stream about the notion of the crisis club that we think there's always a crisis club going into the international break. It's awesome. And what it, so it could be because of the palette. There's a shout for that. And of course, I think there's been more games at the beginning of this Premier League season. The normal international break is going to be longer. So they've put those swish two together. Uh, usually I think it's three games and then you're in. So there's not much to choose from. Now it'll be five before the international break. Palace are a good shout. Spurs are a good chat. I mean, they come up against Villa. Another good show. We're going to talk about a lot later. They come up against Villa on Saturday in the biggest, in the biggest near the other game of all the crisis. Man United off the back of yesterday, we agree. Probably not quite. Is there any other teams that come and trade, but that's like default? It doesn't pound. It's like neutral. You know, if you expect them to be relegated and then they're in the relegation zone, I don't know if that's the right. Well, it's always a crisis. I mean, I guess it feels very much like their relegation has been confirmed in the first four games. Well, they also haven't scored a goal, right? I believe 10 goal difference. That's not great. It's not good. It's really not good. Yeah. That's a villa of scored one. That's not, you know, one better, but one point fewer than Spurs. What would you have? What would you rather have right now? A point more or to a goal? I think, Emory, probably a point more. From my perspective, more goals are better. Yeah, just one goal is good. One goal is better than that. Can I just say one more thing on Spurs? Nathan did touch on it. I do think that the personnel stuff is what he talked about having big space attackers. But I also think that so much of what Deserbys system is about is about being able to have those moments of acceleration where you're doing and we'll see this from when we talk about villa as well, because actually there's the overlaps between Emory and Deserbys are very interesting, I think, from a tactical point of view. And you can make the argument that villa and Spurs both struggle at the beginning of the season is kind of interesting from the same perspective of like the tactical systems require certain things. But they need players who can receive the ball in deep buildup, often in tight spaces, and then accelerate the play, find those passes through the press. And I don't, in Bentoncore and Tanali, I don't think they necessarily have the right combination of players for that. And there's lots of times when I watch them, and I think with a slightly different profile of player in that situation, I could say, well, I mean, maybe Spurs don't really have that kind of thing. That was what my callister did so well for him at Brighton, like that. Yeah. And Kai Sadah as well, like both of them were really fantastic at finding those little bounces through the lines, quick turn, and then you're into the space, and then you attack, and there's, I watched Spurs, I've watched all of Spurs games this season, and there's so many times when I see it, and I think a different player would have actually accessed the space here. They would have, they would have got through, and that's what I think is missing, because the problem is is they are getting to the final third, but they're having to do it so much slower that you're losing all of the advantages that you get from having those players. And I think if, if you had just one of the, like my test finanders is barely played in the pivot spots, for example, could he be the one potentially, yeah, I think he would go get towards solving those kind of problems, but I'm surprised they didn't go for just a guy like that who is just a really good, small space guy, just unlocks the potential then to accelerate the play, and that's given how much money they did spend. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, as we said, they are at home to Aston Villa on Saturday before the International Break, Tuesday tomorrow, they are away to Liverpool. So there are two big opportunities for them to be a crisis cloud, and I've got Coventry coming up, which I think will be their seventh game in this run. Yeah. So they will score against Coventry. Well, they're also playing Man United in their sixth game, so they'll score in that one. Yeah, they're there. No records being broken. How about that? There we go. Well, that's a little bit of spurs. Before we move on, do you want to quiz me on Everton or quiz me? Oh, yeah, let's do it. You don't have to quiz me. Yeah, quiz the room. Anyone want to, let's just check that. Everton have always been in there. Yeah, get out of there. Ninety-nine, two thousand. Why are they going? Why are they going? Yeah, you're hitting like the two thousand's rather than the radar. Quite two thousand eights doesn't matter. That's my radar. Okay, it's 1997. 1999 2000, but I think that's it's a very clear like 90s. 99 2000. Period, rather than 2000. Yeah, I agree. Duncan Ferguson. Duncan Ferguson. I said it first. No, I said it first. You got one. I was going to say Duncan first. We all imagine him in that one. Let me let me the the the the reanimated cops of Stephen Pena. Stephen Pena is not here. What is the fourth only hip up? This is. Oh, it's good. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be here. Oh, what a show. Alessandro Pistone. What? Alessandro Pistone. Alessandro. He plays that in back. No, Pistone. Italian fallback. Look, he said Pistone. Pistone. No, I can't have a way to speak about hip up. Plastic fans, Steve. All right. Let me think of it. Let me let me let me I'll say a player's name. All right. Don't say anything. Zidane. Right. Is your clue. Kevin Killbaum. Matarazzi. Matarazzi. Was there. Why did I form a West Ham manager? Slavin Village. Yep. Slavin Village is there. I don't think you ever played that. Wow. My knowledge of 1990 thousand everson is very poor, I would say. I would say. If you read some more to us, just so that we can remember who they are. You won't know them. No, just say them anyway, because people at home might know. Okay. For the people who actually know about football. Yeah, John, people in the comments are going to go, oh, you knew all the players. I can't believe you. That's why I'm not doing. I googled them while you were talking and then I looked at them and knew all of them. Thomas Miro is the goalkeeper. Oh, of course. Michael Ball. Do you remember him? Michael Ball. Craig Short. Michael Ball. Craig Short. Wasn't short. That'd be a hinge cliff. No, David Unsworth. This is Michael Ball. A Olivier. Olivier Decor. The lead legend. Don Hutchinson. Nick Bambi, another lead legend. Yeah. Nick Bambi played for Liverpool. It's not a great score. Danny Cadammar trees on the bench. Oh, Michael Ball became famous as a singer and actor primarily through his breakout West End role in Les Mis. I didn't know that. He's breaking as he signed a role as an Everton. His breakout West End role in Les Mis. How about that? That's not many famous former footballers who become singers. Not the same person. There isn't any here in this combination either, just to be clear. All right. Should we play the Rondo quickly? Yeah. And then after that, we'll have a break and then after that, we'll talk about Aston Villa. Okay. Right. Here we go. Here's the run out. It's your first Rondo, isn't it, Jay? Yes. Yeah. This means that you get what's known as the debut Thomas race. You're getting this in early, right? Because I'm going to forget the way I experience this. If you make a mistake, yeah, you get a second go. Whereas these old hands, yeah, it's the pity grace really. These old hands, they don't get a second go. Now, here's how the Rondo works. I ask a question. It has multiple correct answers. We go around in a circle. Yes. We give correct answers. If we give incorrect answers, we're rejected from the Rondo. If we give answers that have already been given active listening, John. John Tiff coffee. When you car four, so it's nice that you're doing off the microphone, but you are leaning right into my shot. So why don't you go the other way? Yeah, cough on Jacob. Good job. Good job. Now, don't give an answer that's already been given, essentially. Okay. And don't dilly. So don't dilly and dally. And yeah, try not to take any time. Okay. Now, don't look at my computer there, Ruby. I won't. Have I? This is cheating again. We know that you've got a bit of fun. Believe it. This guy's a cheater. I'm always close as laps off. Yeah, we make him do it now. Right. Now, I've got, I've got a fun one here. I've got a fun one here. Okay. I was thinking this morning about all the 92 clubs in the top four professional leagues. We're not going to ask you to name them all because that's crazy. But there's quite a few when you break it down by the letter that the team starts with. So, that's fun. There are 15 teams in the 92 that start with B. And I would like us to name all of them. If we get through, we'll move on to another letter as a tiebreaker. Question before we begin. Yes, of course, Ruby. A prefix that contains FC. Does that exclude the club or not? As in, well, all of the teams I've, all the teams I see here, all the B teams I'm looking at, they all begin with B, but they all look like normal. They would normally begin with B. He's basically asking if we can say AFC Bournemouth. That is right. Oh, right. No, they, they, they appear in A. Worth asking. It's worth asking. No, it's worth asking that. AFC Bournemouth appear in A because I believe that the AFC, a crucial bit of the history of Bournemouth. You take the AFC out and what are the AFC? Athletic. Association. Association. Yeah. Sometimes it's alternative, isn't it? In the case of Wimbledon, it might be, I might go that wrong. That's, that's an alternative ball game, tennis, I believe. Anyway, here we go. Here we go. Jacob, we're going to start with you. Please name a B team, one of 15. Burnley. Burnley is a correct answer, of course. Right. John. Bristol Rovers. Bristol Rovers. You can have Bristol Rovers. Bristol City. Yes, of course. Bristol City was obviously going to be the next one, back over to Jacob. Blackburn. Blackburn. Blackburn Rovers. You can have them, John. Bolton. Wanderers. Bolton Wanderers, yes, you can have. Ruben. Brighton and Hove Albion. Brighton are there, of course, they are, yes. Blackpool. Blackpool? Very good answer, John. Barrow. Barrow, you mean AFC Barrow. Barrow is not here, but Barrow, I think Barrow must have been relegated out of the league. So I think let's just double check where Barrow are right now. It's going to be AFC Barrow. Barrow AFC are in the National League. And also they're 21st of the National League right now. Not great after seven games. That's a bad guess. So you didn't get prefixed. Do you remember the years of Barrow Salona? I do. That's what I was thinking. That's why I went from Bolton to Barrow. Sadly, you're out. Steve, you're slacking me up. I can't look at it, Steve, because I'm on slack doing the thing. What are you saying? Oh, just it's athletic football club Bournemouth. It's what AFC means. Right. It is athletic. Yeah. Wow. It is athletic. So I was right. You were right. And I was wrong. How about that? And you're also out of the game. I'm wrong many times. Ruben. I'm struggling. I'm struggling now as well. Can I give you a clue? I know all of them. You know all the things. Okay. Um, blithe sparrows. I don't know, it's got to see. North East. No, they're not these. How are they? I didn't know that. No, they're not here. Okay, well, you may not even need your David Tom's grace, although you have it. You're struggling. Yeah, I'm wondering if you've got too much points here. Yeah, you've got too much points. Yeah, you're okay to get one wrong. If you've got to be in that bonnet and you want to get out, feel free or just say one of these 10 teams and one of these eight remaining teams is eight left. And you know all of them. You know all of them. Oh, do you know what? Bournemouth are here. I'll just take them out. I'll hide them. Can I say Bournemouth? No, you can't say Bournemouth. No, no. Yeah, there's loads of the seven. There's seven. But I'll look at that one and go, yeah, you know, that one. Oh, you definitely know that one. That one's a big one as well. That's a big one. That I'll give you a clue. There is a Premier League team here. Yeah, I mean the most forgettable Premier League team, evidenced by the fact that you've all forgotten them. They are in the Premier League now. Yeah, now, yeah, now. They're actually pretty good as well. Very good. Yeah. I bet that's a little. I don't get clues like this. I get it cheating. I'm also going to say forget the Premier League clues. Yeah, I was going to say, bit of Ricky just in case. 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He was really impressive against PSG. Yeah, I mean one thing Emory said he's like he covers the distances we won he covers like 10 and 11k again at the moment other players that are on the bench probably aren't covering that the moment they're not a climatized fit enough work. Emory has been built for two years to be that. Emory would hate me. I think I'm covering 0.5. Rubens never been for walking. Yeah, also like Emory really likes players that tuck their chairs in. Anyway there we go. That's Aston Villa so I think on the basic Jacobs convinced me without actually saying out loud not a crisis club despite only having one point and one goal after four games I somehow feel like everything is going perfectly to plan. Yeah, it's like it's like Mika Lateta's wet brain plan. Now okay, it's just before we have a break. Let's go quickly. It's a Liverpool nil nil full of now of course my beloved Liverpool. My look, oh no, no, I have full of them. Did a David Cameron? I forgot which team was it. Why did a David Cameron? You're absolutely right. It's because I'm panicking because I can see John flicking through the snow. There's no full of all the possible meanings. I would have got them all of all the possible meanings of I've accidentally done a David Cameron, that's the best one. I'll give you a Liverpool though. Michael Owen. Michael Owen is here. Yeah, Amy Red now. Amy Red now is here. Emily Heskey is not here. Robbie Fowler. He did someone say Kyle Lo is here. Kyle again is here. John Alarisa is not here. What's my man, I'm in my man, I'm in his here all in. It's the spy sport. Inse is here. BBC ponder. The big round badge. It was that kit. Fowler. Robbie Fowler. I said them. Oh, who's goalkeeper? You'll get this one. David James is back to fast food. David James is actually on the bench, I believe. Brad Friedle. Why would I get this one? Because he's going to be free. Brad Friedle, right? Brad Friedle is the goalkeeper yet. Yeah. Can I miss fast food? What? Macdonald? John Macdonald? I think of an item of fast food. It's from pizza. John pizza. That's it. John pizza. I knew I knew I'd always do. It was John pizza. French fry. Stephen Cabinum. I don't know. He's got the same name as a full-on player. Oh, Craven Cottage. Phil Babb is there. Phil Bams. Patrick Perker. I thought he was an asshole. Danny Murphy. Did anyone say Danny Murphy? Yeah, I said that. Kyle Hines Readle. Listen, listen, listen. Jason McAteer. It's my beloved full-on. That's my team, full-on. They kept Liverpool's expensively assembled attack at bay at Amfield over the weekend. Yes, they did. Now, last night, after the live stream, for whom we had Jack Collins joining us, I asked Jack if Alvaro Alvarloa had made changes to the approach that had led to three straight defeats prior to this game. Here's what Jack had to say. He did. He did make a plenty of changes and Am really did shift the structure. We talked last week about the idea that Fullham needed to do something pretty drastic from a systemic perspective almost, to be able to make this team competitive and close the gaps. There was so prevalent against Palace the week before. There was a significant change, not just in terms of personnel, but in terms of how Fullham went about their business. We saw a double pivot in midfield, of Sandaburger and Shay Charles, who looks like a Rolls Royce, by the way, like a really good player. David Affengrubber came in for Year Kim Anderson and looked phenomenal. Now, let's not all jump to conclusions of the one game, but the ability to cover ground, cover spaces and pick a really, really nice parts as well was very impressive. A very good debut from him. I saw my friend, Sammy James, who was a full-of-the-spot cast, discussed it as potentially the best full-of-the-fensive debut since Breader Hangaland came in. That's pretty intense praise from him. I thought also Timothy Castanio, who's been given that license to kill and inverted commas throughout, was tucked back a little bit more and asked to be more of a kind of traditional right back, which helped. Then Alex and Woby was further forward in that front three. It wasn't that Fullham were getting overwhelmed in midfield areas and Woby dropped back in there. It did leave Oscar Bob slightly isolated on the right and I thought he really struggled to get into the game. It's all the first time we've necessarily said that, but it did feel like Fullham were maybe less aggressive in terms of the way that they created chances, but the best chance of this game falls to Fullham. Gonzalo Garcia should score in the first half when there's a mix-up in the Liverpool defence. It's taken off the line by Jeremy Jacque, which is a good piece of defending, but you shouldn't be given the opportunity to knock that off the line. Overall, one of those games you watch, and it's like, okay, and breathe, because it looked like Fullham had a structure again. And Joe, while we're here, you should probably sing everyone your new David Affengrouper chart. Do you want to hear my David Affengrouper chart? Now listen, the context here is I've never come up with a football chart before. I think how you do it is you just say the player's name over a popular song. So here's my, the first thing it came to my head yesterday was... Ready for this? Yeah. One, Affen II, Affen III, Affengrouper, four, Affen V, Affen XIX, Affen Grouper, yet seven, Affen VIII, Affen VIII, Affen Grouper. Hey, Affen VIII, Affen Grouper. David! Make it Dave. Dave, Affen Grouper, yeah. You like it? Mark's out of ten. Ten! There you go. Now, Fullham, Crvun Katarge, take it on boys, make myself... Make my dreams come true, sing my Affen Grouper chart, and I'll be there with you in spirit, because Putney's a little far. It's a little far from Royalty. You know they're not going to do that, but I really appreciate the creativity. But they won't do it. We know that the only chart they're capable of is, Come on, Fullham. There it is. Now, I want to say also, on Thursday, we're joined by Hamza Khalik Luna of the Times of London, and we're planning on diving much deeper into Liverpool, and Antoni Aureola, then of course we mentioned already that they play Spurs tomorrow and I. So no Liverpool chart on today's podcast. A bit of a disappointing result, obviously, against Fullham, but we'll talk about them plenty on Thursday. So for Liverpool fans, Liverpool talk, please join us then. For now, let's have a quick break, and when we come back, we will talk a little bit about Sunderland Arsenal. We've got Chelsea coming as well as a bit of whole city. All the Hammers. We're going to talk about the Hammers, well, very briefly. And then there's a bunch of more stuff for the other. Here's a break. Well, we're back from the break. There we go. How about that now? Sunderland Nell. Too Arsenal. We talked about this on the live stream yesterday, actually. We made it a bit of a title, the challenge title race conversation. So if you want to hear more Arsenal talk specifically, then you can check that out with John and Jack Collins. Steve has very kindly included how he would have written the blurb about that game for me. That's why I'll read that for you, Steve. Here's the right Steve. The black cats were rolled on their belly, and given a tummy rub by Arsenal on Wearside on Saturday night. Right, Steve. There you go. Did you like that, Steve? Wow. Right. I'll get out. I know me feel really horrible inside. Anyway, anyway, anyway. We're checking back into this game today as part of the new series that we'll be doing over the course of the next or seven or eight weeks or so, where each Tuesday episode, we will be naming our EA Sports FC 27. Star of the week. Now, Ruben, I believe you're starving. You're picking this week. I'm starving. That's what I said technically, isn't it? Yeah. If you push your chair in every day for the rest of the time, and I'll be checking, then you can earn a little star. But no, you're picking Star of the week this week. And I believe you've picked someone from this game. Who have you picked and tell me why? Well, our EA Sports FC 27 star of the week is Bokaiosaka for this week. For enough. Good start to the season. Yeah, of course, he's called a penalty against Sunsland late on to make it 2-0, but it's the rest of the start to his season that I want to focus on because after quite an injury plagued season last year, difficult World Cup, we didn't play that much as much as he would have wanted to. He started the season with three goals in four games. From an XG of 2.87, so very much like on-course performing as he should be. And he probably could have had more goals. There was a really good chance in the first half against Sunsland where Dexander Rice played him in behind and he couldn't quite catch it right on the volley in the air. Like it was close to goal. It was a good chance, but not everyone would score that. And he's playing really well. He's linking up really well with Ben White and Martin Odegaard but he's linking up really well with Ben White and Martin Odegaard down the right side of the pitch, which is a relationship that we've seen in previous seasons. But maybe last year, we didn't get to see a lot of due to injuries at kind of inconvenient times so they didn't all get to play together. He also moved over to the left side of the pitch where we saw him. Yeah, mid game. We've seen him somewhat unshackled. Yeah, there's a little bit more positional fluidity maybe at the moment. But yeah, the combinations with those players, he does look fit. That was a point that I think a lot of Arsenal fans are really, really far. He played 90 minutes against Napoli and 90 minutes against Sunsland was last season. The image of him kind of hobbling off after 18 minutes every week was quite familiar. So yeah, he started season really well and as Arsenal looked to retain their title, that will be a very key part. Well, there we go. Bacchaya Sacca at ESports FC 27 star of the week. Star of every week really, isn't he? You could pick any of the Arsenal players. Stars of all of their own weeks. And would you say that you're a star of your week, Jacob? I'm not sure how to answer that. That's a difficult question, isn't it? But try anyway. Am I a star of my week? Yeah. Yeah, every week. There you go. A confident, positive man whereas what happens when I ask John, John, are you a star of your week? Absolutely not. Exactly. And that's what you don't want to become. You're a young man. 25, you say. Yeah, he's over 40 now. Just listen, you've 15 years before you get there. He can come back on. Yeah, he looks good for it. Physical health, but... I'm tapping my head for the looking head. That's just, you know, something got something going on. Now, Chelsea, too, too whole city. Here's the blurb for this. Hull, they just keep fucking doing it, don't they? Goodness me. How do they do it now? Chelsea's full throttle approach. Left the door, back open. Yeah, oh, the back door open. They didn't leave the door back open. They left the back door open as a result of the full throttle approach. Allow me to leave the door back open. They didn't leave the door back open. And Hull went through it. They left the back door back open. Right Steve. The door back into the game. Allowing the tigers to rampage. We're going to have to ban that. We're going to have to have to have to have a ban. Let me read this again. Chelsea's full throttle approach. Left the back door open. Allowing the tigers. Rare. To rampage and overturn a 1-0 deficit now, I show up, Pedro, leveled things up in the second half with a lovely, oh, a fine finish. Wasn't it just lovely? But Hull, sit third. With eight points from four games. Incredible stuff. How a Hull doing it. Who wants to answer this? How a Hull? Do you know how Hull are doing at Jacob Townswell? I think there's a freshness to them. I went to Hull last weekend. It was near and near. Obviously, no shock. I can't towards you down the motorway. There's a problem. I don't know. Here, I'll come to Hull. And a video with it. A video with it. And I was in a way. I was quite disappointed. But I never saw the fans in full effects. You didn't get to see them. No, there's no goals. Right. Oh, did they only do that at a goal? Oh, yeah. I mean, surely by the time you guys, can you get, you can get, you can't get involved in a nail mill possession. I can't get involved in a nail mill possession. I mean, 60% possession. Yeah. I think you can get involved in a nail mill. I've seen it happen. It's always like XG, the opponent said it. I watched the first half of Tottenham Everton. I saw someone get involved in a nail mill. Theoretically, mulls by the time you get a theoretically mull by the time you get a theoretically mull. Expected mulling by the time you guys. Anyway, sorry, sorry. You were saying. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not actually too sure, but they are. I think difficult to break down. They haven't conceded until I think the Stanford Bridge. Yeah. So they had a good bedrock, I guess. And then I think they've been quite basic, but quite effective in going forward. They're going quite directly. They're blocking out central areas, which was success last week as well. And I think like any good new Libra team that leads last week as well, or last season, they're trying to make the most of all set places as well. Yeah. Okay, great. Do you know what's happened? I'm excited because during this podcast, I received a reply to an email I sent a couple of days ago from someone that people watching will know who likes Hull. You can see, I'm not saying it out there, but he said he'll come on the podcast and I can talk about Hull with this person, who people will know that likes Hull. There you go. So that's very exciting. Isn't it well done to Hull? Now, is there more to say about Hull? No. We'll save it. We'll save it for when we check. Maybe just one line on Hull. I mean, you want another line on Hull. That would be a second line on Hull. Well, it's your first line. It was your first line. Yeah. No, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, I've started sort of finish. But yeah, it does seem as though they're quite happy just absorbing pressure, which a lot of Premier League teams don't. And it's almost as though that's creating like an outlier situation where a lot of teams because they've lent into, I guess, a more physical, transitional game. They aren't suited to breaking down a really sort of clunky, like deep, back five, four in front, one in front of that block. And yeah, it's making a, it's producing kind of an interesting tactical situation because a lot of teams ask. Like Manchester United struggled with it. Like, we know that they struggle with it. But why shouldn't they just sit in those sort of low blocks and see just force teams to be like create against what? And crucially, their wingbacks have like mad engines. You saw against Chelsea, how much they were like getting up and down at top speed, which you need if you're going to pay us. Yeah. How about that? There you go. For Chelsea, this represented a different sort of game, didn't it, John? That was their first, with a significant majority of possession. They haven't done that. So we've talked a lot about them so far, enjoying games with limited possession. They had close to 70% in this game. I do want, I mean, Jacob already kind of said, whenever you mention a low block, it's only ever in reference to struggling to break it down. But this is something that Chelsea, this happened to Chelsea in this game. I mean, it's happened to other teams that have faced Hull. But yeah, I didn't watch this game. So I can't comment on the specifics of it. But this is the story we've been telling about Chelsea over the last few seasons. And it's in many respects, sort of similar to what we've been talking about with Manchester United over the post-Fergie era, right? This idea that if you have a team who can play in transition, they're going to thrive as soon as you stop giving that kind of space up. Then it becomes a lot more difficult. Now with Chelsea, you think that, I mean, obviously they have all professional players will just thrive in bigger spaces, right? That's the reality is that, I mean, I guess if they have to run a lot, then there'll be some players who won't. But in general, if you're attacking big spaces, it's going to suit Premier League teams better. So the reason why it's harder to play against the low block is because you're denying those spaces. But I guess the question then is how you find ways of being able to break those low blocks down from a more tactical perspective, whether or not you're just relying on the players solving those problems as well. I'm actually going to, I think I might do a video this week on the way that some teams are starting to change their approach to low blocks and it seems to be quite beneficial. So it tends to approach to attacking them. Yes, so I've noticed this with Arsenal. I don't want to give too much away, but the way that Arsenal are playing against low blocks, I think is kind of interesting right now. So yeah, that will be a fun thing to look forward to. That's like a quite a nice thing to put on your Tinder profile, isn't it? You know, when they ask you for facts about yourself, think opinions, you know, I think the way that Arsenal are playing against low blocks is pretty interesting right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should be, you should be. I'm not sure that was that. With this sexy sort of lower register. Hello, hello there. Yeah, I think the way that Arsenal are playing. Try, try it on. I think the way that Arsenal are playing right now against low blocks in particular, I've started to sound like, wow, Lord of Williams of Oystermouth. You sound like a, like a 90 year old, huge ground to put something. Oh, the way I saw it. Sorry. Whoopsie days ago. But Chelsea, Chelsea changes their formation on that note. Chelsea, basically, they dropped the quad in there and they put an extra forward player in. Right. Well, they kind of reach that point. Which makes sense, right? Because they know they're going to be playing up against a low block, so there's no point playing up there. Well, on paper, I assumed it would be the same shape with Gusto and Neto at Wingback and Colwell would have been able to play middle centre back as he wanted to, but it was actually more of just like a traditional four, two, three, one. I like the idea that you take Max Johnson quiet out and then you say to Colwell, no, you still can't play in the middle. Ah, well, yeah. But I think that's why Alonso likes Neto, right, because he's quite a flexible player, right? You can play him as a Wingback or if you feel they need not to have him dropping in, so deep, you can just use him as an out-winger. You see him talking to Conor Cody on TV about that. I think I might be on M&F Conor Cody, who's like doing speech in Neto who was in his post-match thing with the headphones on. And he was like, all right, my mate, since when did you like defend it? No, no, no. Neto is like, since I am a Wingback lad. I can't. OK, well, listen, a couple more things before we finish. But Hammers, Hammers, Rexham, this happened in the championship on Friday night, West Ham. Hammers, Rexham, six nail on Friday night. The table with 14 points from seven games. They've won four on the bounce. They're called 20 goals in those games, which is kind of crazy. I watched the highlights of this game and you have to say, watching Jared Bone in the championship is like a hot knife through butter. Yeah, one of the goals as well, a Kyle Walker Peters who's ran through their entire team. Oh, no one challenged him. It really, when you watch a good, like a big team go down when they maybe they shouldn't have and they seem on paper to have a squad that's too good for that division. Yeah. And then you watch them in that division. It does remind you that there aren't really any bad professional footballers. They're just like in the wrong context. At the wrong time. Yeah, yeah. Also, it made me happy for West Ham fans because I assume, obviously, they would not want to be relegated. But scoring 20 goals in the first seven games being on top of the league and winning all of you. It's like, that's just great, isn't it? When do they ever get to do that? Get them relegated. It's won all the games and come back up. It's quite often the copium that fans use to kind of come to terms with the fact that their team might go down. It's like, well, at least the championship will be fun. There's no video. That's true. And we'll min more, win more. Yeah. But it's actually kind of true. And they won't get molded by the Tigers. So he went in the other direction. Yeah, you've always got to stay in the opposite league to Tigers. We're saying there are two other teams at the top of the championship. Also on 14 games. Yeah. So who are they? Swansea and West Bromwich Albion. Right. There you go. How about that? Now, also, not so great for Rexam. Toughest starts at the season. Seven points from seven games. Only scoring seven goals. They like to do things in seven. Yes. We'll make for a really good narrative arc for there. Are they still doing that documentary? Yes, I think so. Well, there you go. I think so. Yeah, it's good. That's you right. It's good to have like a, and then a bit good medal. You need conflict to be resolved. That's true. Yeah, football. Now, also, Storm Clouds for the Sky Blues, writes Steve, whilst things have been great for Hall and OK for it. Switch, Coventry, as mentioned. Suffering since returning to the top flight. We'll draw the show to a close with this statistic gathered from Opta. Zero. This is a nice tweet from Opta Joe Zero as the starting number. Coventry are the fifth side in top flight history to lose each of their opening four matches of a campaign without scoring. After Derby, in 1899, 900, and 1900. Well, 900, not good thought. Well, we're working in the middle ages, though, aren't we? Chrysler. Did you realize football was that old? 900. Wow, really 900. Stoke in 1906, 07. The 0607 season, you don't remember. Yeah, I remember that one. I think that's Emily Heskey played in that one. And 1924, 25th. Oh, Crystal Palace, of course, in 2017, 18. Pass Preston in 1924. Preston, yeah, I said Preston, didn't I? Did he? Yeah, pretty sure. Yeah. If only there was some way we could confirm this. We'll check later. We'll check later. Yeah, and then you'll push your chair in when you're done. Now, there we go. A bad news for Coventry. But great news for... Derby in 1899, 1900 season. Who hates Coventry? Who are Coventry's big rivals? I don't know, but I've been told that Coventry hate Villa. This is a big thing. Really? Yeah, they're almost trying to fashion a rivalry. Who are Coventry City's rivals? Reddit, five years ago. Right. So they're redding. Redding. Reddit. They hate reddit. Wasps. Sisu and the council, that's good. It's a good reference to their many tumultuous recent history. Lester Villa, rest of the Midlands. The Midlands general. Yeah, Midlands. Yeah. Anyone can get it. Anyone in the Midlands can get it. How about that? You're not from Birmingham, are you? No, but you live there now. I live there now. You like it? Yes, lovely. You ever go to the Bull Ring? I do. I was there this morning. We were in the Bull Ring this morning. Well, you've actually closed. But I hovered outside. You hovered around it. Just to get a bit of a taste of the Bull Ring. Yeah, just love it. Do you tell people about the Derby More canals in Birmingham than in Venice? Yeah. That's a classic isn't it? I like that one. I went to one of the museums they have there. In Venice. The Birmingham Museum? No, not in Venice. I think it might just be the main one in Birmingham. Let me just check. Because it's called the main one. The Birmingham Museum. Let me just check. It's called Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery. It's really worth going to. I think it's free to get in. I'm pretty sure. Anyway, when you go in, there's the main... I tend to call it a vestibule, but it's not like a big... A big... Yeah, circular for it. Lobby. And there's some terrific art in there. Some local art. But also, I remember seeing in there there was a Joan Eardley, who I think she's a Scottish painter. Anyway, I bought one. I bought a print of hers after I came home. But it's a beautiful cafe in there as well. There was an Ozzy Osborne exhibition on at the time because I think he just passed away when I went there. But it took Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery a great place, a great day out in Birmingham. If you're up there, get out there. Or go to the ball ring, like everyone else, like this guy, the ball ring. All the stuff. What else is there? What else are you doing in Birmingham? Like you say, can I ask, but also, people think Birmingham's just a motorway, just full of roads. It's not... It's not what's in your country side. You've got straffered upon even on your doorstep. A lot of lovely things. Yeah. Straffered upon even good for, you know, the theatre. You hear that, the best thing about Birmingham, a town outside of Birmingham. It's a proximity, really. Let me just throw some shade on Straffered upon even though terrific for the theatre. Head there for the theatre, you know. On often, your American tourists will travel because of Shakespeare lived in Straffered upon even and did his theatre there, didn't he? Everything else? That's boring. Rubbish. Everything else is Straffered upon even. There's rubbish and boring. I've got to tell you that. Have you? Yeah. Tell them. What, what, tell them? Tell them. You tell them. You tell them it's rubbish there. I've got to try to visit Straffered. No, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. The theatre is amazing, no? It's one thing. It's amazing. It's called the Straffered. It's amazing. It's amazing. I saw some stuff there and it was just a fucking amazing experience. So good. You're a man of culture. Big time. I am culture. That's still in the end of us, yeah. Please. Apart from, I mean, technically speaking, in terms of Coventry, in Warwickshire. Coventry. In Warwickshire. Coventry is in Warwickshire. Is it really? Is this wrong now? Not sure. No, I mean, that sounds about right. Yeah, I think this is right. But what's your point? Uh, I think it's this football club going to be quite close. Coventry is nearly in Warwickshire. It's the natural war at Coventry. Everyone at Warwick University lives in Coventry. Half of them live in Warwick. Half of them live in Farmingshire. Warwickshire. Was it in the show you there? Something got cut. But for now, we'll say goodbye to Ruben. Goodbye. To John. Bye. A clap for Jacob on his debut. Well done, Jacob. And also Steve was here. Hello. We'll be back on Thursday with Hamza. And, um, I love who else is going to be there. Other people? John Jay-Jay. John the Jay-Jay, there we go. All right. See you then. Bye.
