The Stockley Park Trap & The 10-Man Paradox: Inside the 193rd Manchester Derby

From Dantan, London, it's the totally football show with our live Sunday night round-up. Today, Manchester Derby controversy, Man City go down to 10, after rig half of Foden, but hold on, to beat United with a stocky park special. Elsewhere, Hull draw away at Stamford Bridge, Balumi with a brace. Spurs continue to register nails like a Danish census and commentary also goalers and pointless too, lots to discuss in this totally football show. And here we are in the studio. Many thanks if you're joining us for our live experience on a Sunday evening 13th of September, or if you're joining us thereafter, you'll still be enjoying the sweet sounds of Colin Miller. Hello Colin. Hello James. Also Tom Williams. Hello James. Hello Tom Williams. And on the big screen with big opinions, Stuart James. Welcome Stuart. Thanks for having me on James. Good to see you. Well, it's really, really great to have you with us because I don't know if you've seen this at all on the athletic, but Stuart's doing a very excellent piece every Monday Tuesday called, well, who's won the weekend in the Premier League? It might be a snappier title than that. But the amazing thing is that for that article, Stuart has every week been watching every single game in the Premier League in its entirety. So what, so far you've watched... How many of this weekend's games have you watched so fast, Stuart? Seven. So I'm up to... Where does that leave us now? 37, is that right? 47. 37. 37. Well, 30... Yeah, that would be right. Yeah, 30. How fed up are you? It's an entire team season. Yeah. Of games. Oh gosh. I never thought worth of games. Yeah. That is mad. Yeah. I'm still enjoying it in the minute, James. I'm at the honeymoon stage, aren't I? At the moment. International break. I can't wait for that to happen though. And I've never felt like that before. I hate international breaks. I'm now really looking forward to it. So I get a few weeks off from this. But it's been good fun too. And I'm learning loads about, you know, new players. Or perhaps didn't appreciate before. So yeah, I'm really enjoying it, actually. Which new player have you most appreciated that you didn't appreciate before then? Well, I feel like I should have known more about Sangari before he came to Brentford. But I didn't. And he's been fab to watch certainly in the first two games. And then I've really enjoyed watching Sunderland, actually. Sadikian Mirfield is fantastic. Other players I knew about, but I'm getting to see more of now. Alex Scott's been fantastic. So yeah, it's good. I mean, I'm still trying to explain the concept to people. Some people get really worked up about the fact that they're team one. And that they appear lower in our ranking table than a team that drew. But that's the whole point of it. It's about performance and not result or data necessarily. So it's very subjective. But yeah, I felt like the only way I could do this fairly would be to watch the game in its entirety. And then that way I've got a good perspective of whether a team played well or not. Obviously, people can argue with that, of course. But yeah, at least I can say I've watched the game in full. Amazing. Yeah, this sort of volume of matches to watch and consume that much football is very challenging. It reminds me, actually, this is going back quite a few years. But there is a football writer called Thomas Mortimer, who set himself a challenge of watching at least one football match every day of the year. So all 365 days, including Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, he had to find a match that was on and watch it in its entirety. And I think like used to, he had a distort, he was very enthusiastic about the whole thing, about the sort of the novelty of the challenge. But I don't want to put too much of it down on it, but its spirits were fairly crushed. Have I made way through it, I think? Well, international break can be up. What about a piece doing, who won the international break, goes to, I don't know what you would think about that. That's a... Just keep you ticking over. Just keep you ticking over. The good thing is that matches come along like the Manchester Derby that just give you so much to talk about and prove so very enthralling. Tom, I know you were with Canal Blues yesterday for a match of Zed Day, but the drama at Old Trafford is going to be, I think, the big talking point this week. Yeah, I mean, it felt like a very significant game in the sense that Manchester Derby's always are. The outcome is significant in that it, you know, suggests that that we should consider City as firm title contenders. And then on top of that, you have, you know, these moments, the filthode in sending off, which we thought might prove to be the bigger talking point of the game. Only for the early Harlan goal to come along and say, you know, hold my controversy beer. Yeah. Or something. My pint of controversy, indeed. All right. By the way, thanks if you are joining us live. We're of course on YouTube. producer Charlie actually put a little question. Well, teaser. See if you could elicit some responses. The question was, who is the best Brazilian in the Premier League? A lot of people are going with all time choices here, like Martina's FTP. She says Roberto Firmino. Callum's 9511. The number of them are important. So it's for Nigeria for me. A Hodriga Muniz. So it's one current Gabrielle, it's Parama. Riga Muniz of Fulham. Yeah. If that isn't a Fulham fan, then we need it. You don't want Fulham. You don't want Fulham. Stuart is Muniz the best Brazilian in the Premier League. I mean, he hasn't exactly played much this season. I'm pretty stunned by that suggestion, actually. So no, he wouldn't be the best Brazilian in the Premier League. Joe Pedro at the moment for me. Pineapple tree trunks is Alison. There we go. Which Alison? I wonder. Anyway, thanks for getting in touch all of you. We've got, well, nine games from the Premier League to get through. Some more than others. We'll start off with the match at Old Trafford very, very shortly. But first of all, quick check on the results. Manchester 4 of the season. No home wins so far. Still one game to go on Monday night. It's Newcastle. Welcome leads. First of all, you can see down on the bottom right Sunday's games. The Manchester Derby there. City 1-0 winners, despite going down to 10 men in the 23rd minute when Phil Foden got sent off. Irling Harlan with a massively controversial goal, though, were going on to that shortly earlier on Sunday. Brighton 5-0 winners. 5-0 winners away at Coventry. Brighton moving up to fourth place in the Premier League. They are. The top scorers in the league. Frank Lampard, Sky Blue, still goalless and pointless. Forest got their first win under. All of the glass are beating Villa 2-1 at theirs. It was the same old story for Paul Bournemouth, who went ahead with Brentford, but still ended up drawing 2-2. It's the fourth time in four matches that they've taken the lead, but failed to win. It was 2-2 at Stanford Bridge, as well as Hull continued. They're incredible. Unbeaten start to the season. Coming from a goal down, away to Chelsea. It was 3-2 for their fellow promoters side. It switched away at Crystal Palace. No goals whatsoever at Anfield. As supposedly falling apart, Fulham claimed their first point at the season away to Liverpool. And no goals at Tottenham either. Spurs now almost seven hours without troubling the net. Everton, their opponent still unbeaten Saturday night. Arsenal had a scare or two, but ran out 2-0 winners at the stadium of light against Sunland, which means that they are. Still just ahead of Man City on goal scored. Man City, who will wonder winners at Old Trafford, and that's where we begin. Manchester Derby, early in Holland with the goal. A 1-0 scoreline for Enza Mereska's Manchester City, who've now won all four of their matches so far. And this is debut season on the City bench. Two big decisions, as Tom was mentioning. One in the 23rd minute, Phil Foden's red card. Having been kicked in the bum by Bruno Fernandez. He waved his studs at Bruno's midriff and saw red justifiably probably. The second, though, was City's goal. Erling Harland, who despite initially seeming offside, and certainly his teammate Enza Fernandez being very, very offside, was still cleared for his brilliantly finished effort. And City take all three points. We better begin with that. Who wants to voice their opinions on this? How outrage should United be Colin? For this decision, I think they've every right to be aggrieved in the sense that there's a long wreath for this goal to be decided, right? So the onfield official, the assistant referee, flag for offside. So this was an overturned, so that made it particularly significant. It wasn't just staying with the decision. It was actually overturning what had already been given. And initially, we had all thought that Erling Harland was actually offside himself. The line showed that Patrick Dorgosford played him onside. But I think the real controversial part of this was the involvement of Enza Fernandez in the goal, because he was very clearly in an offside position. No, there's no doubt about that. He was several meters offside. And the VAR, and in the Premier League, and no, essentially whenever they came out with the match description of why this was given, they said that he didn't touch the ball, which is correct. He didn't. I fab have four counts in which a player who doesn't touch the ball is still deemed to be influencing it. Implementing play, and thus offside, actively offside. And on at least three of the four counts, Enza Fernandez is banged to rights. So what happened in Stockley Park? Yeah, this is a bizarre one. This is already, it's already feels as though in a few days time we're going to get an apology and an admission that this decision was wrong. Such a strange call. As you just said, when they put up on sky after the game, the list of possible reasons a player could be interfering, he ticked more or less every box, Enza Fernandez. So I can't work out for the life of me how they arrived at the decision they did. Yeah, really, really odd call. They're ultimately is obviously proved hugely significant, but very difficult to make sense of. And actually, I think had it gone the other way, and the goal had been in disallowed, City would have probably just accepted it. Instead of that now, we've got this controversy that, yeah, overshadows the game decided it, really. And I fully expect that to happen in the days to come. However long it takes, I think there will be an admission that the wrong decision was arrived out there, which obviously would be no consolation to United whatsoever. I think it was an example of the officials working themselves into a classic VAR logic trap. In that you see the replay, and Fernandez is just obviously offside. He obviously tries to play the ball, and that clearly has an impact on his marker, Lisandro Martinez, his reading of this situation, and also Sinalamans, the interpretation of what's happening. But as Colin said, a key detail is the fact that the goal was initially ruled out for offside against Holland. So that was the decision that the VAR was scrutinising. Because, and I think when we watched it ourselves, you thought, that's been given offside because Holland was offside. And so that's the only decision that the VAR has been invited to kind of test. But then clearly having confirmed that Holland was onside, they're then presented by the case of Fernandez, and then it becomes a question of whether or not it is a clear and obvious enough error to be overturned. And I think it clearly was, but I think just in watching it, and rewatching it, and thinking about which boxes Fernandez needed to tick, they've convinced themselves that because he didn't play the ball, because there was a bit of a gap between the ball and him when the ball went past him, it's hard to imagine how Martinez might have reacted had he not been there, that they've decided, well, actually, you know, perhaps he's not impacting his opponents all that much. Clearly he was. And yeah, as juice says, I would be very surprised if we didn't hear more about this from some, you know, slightly apologetic, premier league officials. What about the other decision, the sending off of Phil Foden, which I don't think many people would disagree about. A lot of people might have waved a red in Fernandez decision. Do you think, Colin? It's a very direction. Yeah, I mean, I think again, I think just like the goal itself, that there's other sort of little elements to this, which is why people get upset. And it's confusing as well, because for the Fernandez situation, there was sort of the foil that was given, and then there was a little kick on the ground, and that wasn't violent kick. I don't think it was something that would merit a street sending off itself, but then Phil Foden, from Bruno to Foden, and then Phil Foden obviously reacts to that, has a little bit of a head loss through the boot into his chest, and it's not the worst thing in the world, but you look at that, and you think, well, that probably is a red card. So I think, by the technicalities of what VAR can review, the decision was the correct one, or I think Bruno was very lucky not to get a yellow card, and I was still VAR. Well, I think he set up a little trap, which Phil Foden fell into. And then he kicks him up the back side, and then he, you know. Yeah, I think it was a little kick on the ground. I think it was the one that would probably merit a yellow card, but yeah, the free kick had been given, and then it was that little series of reactions. I do just think that our goal just quickly, as Tom says, I think when you're an official, you're under so much pressure in that situation, and even the fact that the ball had flicked off Patrick Dorgu, and it was Gary Neville on commentary for Sky, and it's like, is that something that plays a part in it? But of course, it's not, because it wasn't an intentional flick, it didn't intentionally play the ball, but you can get caught up on all these separate elements of it, but ultimately, yeah, if you're paid to make these decisions, if you're paid to be the expert, you'd hope they wouldn't get caught up in this stuff, given that everybody else, every civilian watching, seemed to be pretty clear, but maybe too much knowledge, in this case, was a dangerous thing. Well, there you go. We mentioned the fact that in the 23rd minute, Foden went off, and City were down to ten men, and United had, from there, I think, for about the next hour or so, no shots whatsoever. They did hit the post twice. FBLBangerSeverse has a carrot team being completely unable to control the midfield, even with an extra man, just as it doesn't add up, he'll be out before Christmas. What did you make of United's performance against ten men's city? Did they do enough? Were they the architects of their own defeat? They definitely didn't do enough in my eyes. I actually think it was probably the worst thing that could have happened for them. I think that carrot team was very much set up to counter attack city, and they'd actually started quite well. City were playing poorly. United were on top, and then that shift, it kind of galvanized City in a way, certainly in the second half, and I just thought United moved the ball too slowly. When you're up against ten minutes, the whole cliche isn't everyone says it's more difficult than you realise, but I think you've got to help yourself. I think it was touching on what you said there, James. I think it was the 70th minute when they had their next shot on target after the red card, which is astonishing, really. City played really, really well. The substitution that you made, I love Ryan Shurkey, I didn't want to see him come off, but it was a logical substitution to make. City were the better team in the second half, which is incredible to say, really, with ten men. They kept the ball well, they created chances, whereas United just like a team that had run out of ideas. And even at the end, when probably their best moment, really good ball from Bruno Fernandez, or I didn't actually think played particularly well in the game, although I think I was also, my judgement's probably coloured by the fact that he irritated me with that phone instant. I agree with everything that had been said, but yeah, the way he went down on the floor just found that really, really frustrating. I know Enzo Fernandez later did the same for City, but anyway, he plays this lovely ball at the end into Brian and Bumo's part. That is your opportunity, man, United. And he didn't really hit that ball with any conviction. It was a really good save from Don Arema, but yeah, really disappointing from United's point of view, especially playing against ten. And yeah, it feels like a huge result for City. City played for one four. I think Oli Kay, one of our reporters said, yeah, they're played for one four and United are four points from four games. And that says everything, really. Yeah, they're down in 13th place. Obviously, we've seen this kind of thing from them in previous seasons. We're supposed to be different under Carrick. What point do people start to worry, do you think, Tom? I guess if they're still in the same kind of position in another couple of months' time. I mean, Carrick generated an awful lot of goodwill with the success or the relative success that he achieved results while he's after coming in. Things had clearly got pretty rotten under Ruben Hammering, and Carrick made sense for all manner of different reasons. The mere fact of being a very decorated, actually, United player gives him a status. And, you know, Kudos in the eyes of United Fans that your average manager is not going to have. But also just the fact that he is a very kind of calming presence, whereas Amarim seemed to be kind of like lighting fires left right and center. Carrick does everything that he can to put them out. And the main thing he did after he came in was he just started putting players in their preferred positions, did lots of things that made sense both tactically and got the fans on side, putting Bruno Fernandes back in the number 10 position, bringing Kobe Mono back into the team, et cetera. Be a look at the results so far, mystifying the inept performance on the opening weekend against Hull. You know, big win at home to Whip Switch, 5-2 in their next game, albeit some circumstances conspired in their favour. Thought they were going to win at Everton until Ainsley McLennars pops up and equalises at the death, and then beaten today. Having started the game looking reasonably good until the dismissal, I think the fact that Carrick had such a positive impact and still feels like he takes a lot of boxes instinctively means that I don't think he's going to be panic stations anytime soon. The fact that lots of other clubs on United's level are misfiring as well. We'll also buy him time. But I think if they're still kind of mid-table, come Christmas time, then people will start to ask the question. If they're not asking it already, then you've just asked it, James. So many ways. They are. People are asking the question. That's official. I do think they're playing poorly. I think they're managing games poorly. Well, that's his responsibility. I think it's a bit of both. I think they set the game up well. They tactically didn't really respond to the change in state of city, not affording them the species they love to play into and set in making it a different game and forcing it to be played on their terms. I don't think Michael Carrick reacted to it well. I don't think the substitutions made too much sense. I think Benjamin Sesskel could have come on a lot earlier for that type of game. I think Tegan Mockish Rashford might have been a mistake as well whenever they were chasing the game. But I do think you need a little bit of that on the field too in terms of players knowing that you can't slow the game down. And that happened last week against Everton too, they were playing well. They would have got a goal, the momentum would have been with them and then they were like, they just sat off. They didn't force through any advantage. And that allows the opposition to gain a bit of confidence too. So I think there's a little bit of sort of street smarts that they've lacked. I don't want to come back slightly to Enzo Morezka because obviously last year he coached Chelsea a little traffic and they got the only red card whenever Robert Sanchez the goalkeeper was sent off. And he had this really weird sort of 20 or 25-minute spell. I don't know who you can remember this, but they made three substitutions in that first half. They went 2-0 down and the game changed later on. But it was such a weird moment for him as a coach. You kind of took off his attacking players. Is that right? I remember him taking off Cool Palmer and sort of going very defensive at the top point. We're in the top point. Whereas today they kept, well, they did make changes. They obviously took off as a street reference. They took off Ryan Cherokee at halftime. But what they did was they maintained their wits, they maintained their outball. And that really helped attack United to Me and Weakness which is their fillbacks. Certainly for this game. Diogudalo, I think, had a pretty purgium. Patrick Dorgu, who isn't really naturally a leftback. We've talked about it in Mania's leftback situation before. And he was actually a fault for the initial goal. It was his giveaway that led to the city's cross through some menu. So yeah, I mean, United have Weaknesses and City Exploded them very, very well. And I thought their management of this game was very impressive. And the one thing I had about City going into this season was Pep Guardiola Leven. Was that actually a good thing? Was that something they needed? Was it the right time? Because I think the last two years. I'm not sure a city would have won that match in the manner they did under Pep Guardiola. But I'm just putting that out there. And while they won it under Ender Maresca and the level with Arsenal on points they remain. Let's move on from the Derby to the team that could potentially beat Derby. I'm talking about a commentary. Nobody predicted this from Frank Lampard's side after the summer of expenditure. But there they are bottom of the table. No points, no goal scored. And today a five-nil thrashing at home to Brighton. Crikey, how concerned I used you about commentary? Very, you know, I'm very concerned James. I think for them what's harder to take, or must be harder to take as well, is the fact that the other two promoted teams have started well, exceptionally well, obviously in the case of Harby, which have got two wins on the board too. And you know, commentary were really good in the championship last season. But I think today would have been especially hard for them because actually at Man City last week they played really well. And they deserve something from that game. And then you come back to playing at home. Brighton's not an easy match by any stretch. But yeah, they were, it's strange. If you look at the stats they actually had a lot of efforts on goal. But efforts on goal were there. They're not clinical. They're not ruthless. They're not convincing in front of goal in any way. And then at the other end some of the defending was so, so bad. And obviously they lose a player too. One is sent off red card when they're 2-0 down. And that was the end of any hopes of coming back into the game. The crowd to be fair, stuck with the team largely. They were still all on the feet, you know, clapping, singing during the last 5-10 minutes. But you wonder how long that will last. And obviously the fact you haven't scored a goal too. Yeah, I know they're not the only team. Obviously Spurser in that situation as well. But I think when you're a promoted team, you've come up. And you haven't been there for 25 years. There's a kind of feel good factor. A lot of momentum behind you to then lose the first 4 games to not score. And also one of those games was against Hull at home, which was especially hard to take. Yeah, it's really, really dispiriting. And inevitably, you know, the Darby, the Darby sort of scenario will be mentioned, which in some ways is crazy because we're only 4 games into the season. I'm so sorry. Such is that Darby team's cultural sway. We're not even at the international break yet. Still mid-September. And already they loom. It's like, you know, like advent calendars. It's a window that I can't help opening. Even though we're not even in the Derby team, it has been eaten already. Yeah, already. I'm so sorry. Commentary. Commentary are only the fifth side in top flight history. So going all the way back to the dawn of football, to lose each of their opening four matches without scoring. The other four, previously. Well, the most recent was Frank the most crystal palace, which of course saw the intervention of Roy Hodgson to rescue that dismal start to the season. Prior to them, you have to go back a long way, Preston. In 1924, 25, Stoke in 1906, 07. And Darby. Yes, Darby. In 1899, 1900. They must have been so chuffed when Darby 0708 came along. Chopped great news. I think this lot might be even worse than us. Wow. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Anyway. So, yeah, Coventry with some problems. Brighten though. Looking actually fantastic. What did anybody love about this bright performance? The Lewis Dunk Gold. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as Stu said, Coventry actually had quite a few opportunities. The first half an hour. But Vibrigan made a couple of fantastic saves. I think if you've been told after half an hour that they'd end up losing 5-0, you might have struggled to believe it. But, yeah. Brighten scored some lovely goals. Costulus is opener. It's brilliant. Pascal Gross wins a ball that's been cleared. And Costulus takes a touch. The ball kind of sits up and he heads it away from his market into space. Finish is really neatly. La Cuyet, Young Player who were all discovering and who scored a couple of goals already, I think runs through to get the second. And then, yeah, Lewis Dunk with a fourth. Absolutely. Worldly. And just like there are only a certain number of circumstances in which Lewis Dunk is likely to try his luck from that kind of range. And being 3-0 up against a promoted team with 7 minutes left on the clock is one of them. And he just like, he just hit it in such relaxed fashion. Like really kind of like a really kind of languid action to it. And the ball just like loops up dips. Top left corner, sensational. First goal is scored with his feet. Since last decade, certainly. Yeah. Yeah. My favorite thing about that goal was the reaction from Brighten's bench, who just all sort of stood up as one. And we're just clapping. And this reminded me of like in cricket whenever you have a sort of lower order of batman scoring a century. And then just lapping up to the moment, you know, tipping the hat to the balcony. And that was very much Lewis Dunk's moment. It was incredible. And on a weekend of some great goals that might have, might have topped a lot. There's an expression which I think comes from Dutch football. It's something like a Sunday shot. Oh, yeah. Look this up. And it's basic describes an improbable long-range goal from a player who doesn't score many long-range goals. But why Sunday, huh? Because, I don't know, I look it up and get back to you. I thought if you could pass me off if the book I wrote. Tom has a book right here that probably explains that. Next time Colin doesn't answer, we'll give Tom the book. And then you can look it up. Do you speak football as the volume? You undoubtedly know explaining how I seamlessly scroll about that. The linguistic idiosyncrasies are footballing jargon around the world. Let's do it. Yeah. And I was just coming in on what Tom said. So true. I was watching this game with my daughter. And she's got sort of an on-off relationship with football. And she said, that was so casual. How he hit that ball. And I thought, yeah, it was unbelievably casual. I think a center back, sorry, I'm showing my age here. I think of Johnny Method. You know, drilling a ball from like 35 yards with his laces past field parks. Okay, Johnny Method could play a little bit in the field too. But this was just caressed beautifully into the top corner. Like a kind of shooting drill. You know, it's being filmed at the end of a session and everyone's having a little bit of fun. So it was an amazing strike from Lewis Duncan. Yeah. Like you said, the reaction on the bench said it already. But brilliant bright and performance. I think I'm right and saying there are the Premier League's top scorers. They are the top scorers. They are top four points out. Michael Cambia Lisa, 7936. Brighton top four with the Moscow School. Without any of our key attackers with injury up the Albion. So yeah, what a job they're doing. Oh, look, Tom's got, do you speak football? What a placement. Nice and subtle. What have you found out? Yeah. So it's an expression that exists in Dutch, but also German. Zondag shot in Dutch and Sontag Schuss in German. And yeah, a Sunday shot. I guess the idea being that, you know, it's like Sunday League football. Did you explain that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The big kind of, the big center back takes a touch. There's nothing on. Has a pop. And it just flies. But why on a Sunday, Tom? Because that's when amateur football matches take place. I always see it as an amateur. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of the kind of thing you see in, you know, those kind of circumstances. Oh, all right, then. Well done to Brighton. Better luck next time to commentary. Let's move on then to Saturday's action. Arsenal had a bit of a wobble or a bit of a scare. Anyway, a way to Sunderland at the stadium of light. A key 120 seconds, potentially. And their title defense, when? A penalty was awarded against them to the outrage of Michaela Teta. But David Rea, with a wonderful save, manages to keep the game goal us. And then within two minutes, Bruno Gimeraj unleashes another of the finest goals of this weekend. Up the other end. What a place for him to score his first goal for Arsenal, eh? Up at Sunderland. Yeah, it was kind of meant to be, wasn't it? Really good substitution in fairness. I didn't think Louis Scally was having the best of halves for Arsenal. And then Bruno Gimeraj comes on and scores that incredible goal. Yeah, that was a kind of real defining period, wasn't it? David Rea making a brilliant save. And it was a brilliant save. You know, sometimes you see a penalty hit and you think, well, it's not really well placed or hit with conviction. But I don't think that was a bad penalty by Enzel of Faye. And that just shows David Rea's value to the to Arsenal, I guess. I just, one player I want to talk about there, if you don't mind, James. Brian Robby's hold up play is unbelievable. I don't think I've seen anyone playing like that up front for probably 20 years or because the ball isn't really played into strike as much now, right there. They don't want them involved in build up most managers, which is the modern trend. They want them to pin center halves, stay away and, you know, leave space for others. Where Sunderland were quite old school going into him a lot. And why wouldn't you? Because poor old Ezri Conzer, I mean, in the end, he almost gave up. He just stood off into yards because you can't get near him when he's pinning you. And I thought he was brilliant. He played really well the week before as well against Brentford. And I love a little bit of a throwback up front. So there's a really big performance from him and probably deserved more. But yeah, ultimately an amazing result for us. And I say amazing, because I think Sunderland's such a hard place to go to and they were really up for that game. So to go there and win 2-0, it's a statement win, really. Absolutely. You're not the only one. I love Robby's butt and I cannot lie. Certainly for you, Tom, possibly Conn and as well. You were the judge. You were the judge. You're a fan of shit code. Yeah, human sheet code. I think Sunderland or, and Brent Robby kind of encompasses quite a lot of this. Is it there a team that you can get behind quite easily? You can see why their fans are up for it because it's the style of play, which is quite direct. It's quite in your fierce. But you can kind of get behind it quite easily. And I agree with shoes analysis. This is a really important win for Arsenal. I don't think Arsenal played particularly well, but I think that was through Sunderland's own performance. And whilst Arsenal, yeah, they've been Chelsea in the past week. They've been Napoli in the past week. This is probably their toughest assignment. In terms of this game last year, they drop points. Obviously, there was the lead equaliser there. And for Sunderland, not too, too draw. And Sunderland, there's been quite a bit of chat this season, because they're in Europe. And because maybe they didn't have the same levels of investment that they had last summer. Could they keep going with this project and with their style of play? But I think the early weeks of the season have been very, very positive from that. Very positive. Yeah, they've got AZ outmark coming up in the Europa League, which is taking place this week. That's on Wednesday, Palace and Bournemouth also in midweek action in that competition. Chelsea not famously. And I want to talk about their two-two draw with Hull. With Hull. Two-two draw with Hull. Hull who came into this having not conceded a goal. They did obviously ship a couple here, but they maintain their unbeaten start. All this taking place in front of the watching Timothy Chalamet, who maybe was there scouting for his three-a-side team from the advert, you know? Yes. Yeah, he's a big football fan, isn't he? Santettien. He's his team. He's been a bunch TV multiple times in Santettien's colours talking about. We see the same show that you were on top once. I have not yet had the pleasure. You know I had the pleasure. No. I'll let you know if that changes. If he was scouting for his three-a-side crew, presumably he wasn't looking at Chelsea's defenders to you. Would that be fair? Yeah. It's a strange team, Chelsea, at this moment in time, isn't it? At the top end, you think we draw Pedro, Morgan Rogers and Cole Palmer, obviously, they're going to create chances all the time. But it feels like they need to score three or four to win every game at this moment in time. And that's partly defensively. I think the full-backed positions are a problem for them. I actually also worry about in front of the defense, too. I think the midfields are bit by-messed. They're obviously missing Casado at the moment and trying to pay for over the cracks a little bit with James. And it'll have to be a steal. It feels like just into the Premier League. He's been so much football over time. And adapting to how Alonzo wants his team to play. But yeah, that was a strange old game on Saturday. Because you could look at it and think maybe, hold, we're hanging on at the end if you didn't know. And they had a really great opportunity to win it three, too. They played some really good stuff on the weekend. Yes, we know how they set up, you know, five, four, one. Very difficult to beat, narrow. But actually, they counterattack really well. And of course, Chelsea, a lot of problems, probably partly, because we ended up with a bizarre collection of Chelsea players on the pitch. And those three are mentioned and then well-backed was out there as well. And then Netto, and then Netto was replaced by Esteveu. It was like almost 5.0.5. Or, you know, 3.2.5 at one point. As Alonzo chased the win. But yeah, until they saw out the defence, James. But I think the point, I mean, I don't think it is just a defence. I think it's just, it's also what the team looks like out of possession. They're very, very open. Then, yeah, realistically, they're not going to be near to being city and arson. And I think we can see that already in terms of four games in the tables. It sounds crazy to say it. But the title race is almost taking shape now. And there's too many shortcomings, weaknesses, and teams like Chelsea to think that they can bridge that gap. Maybe that was unrealistic anyway, given what he inherited. But yeah, they're entertaining to watch. But I'm sure they drive you a little bit mad. And I think Alonzo said that the weekend, driving you mad if you're Chelsea fan, Alonzo said, I'd actually take a kind of, you know, a bit of a messy one, they'll win at the moment. But they don't look like getting one of those. He's only just come into the job. Of course, Colin, you've got worrying comparisons with his last spell at Real Madrid. Well, yes and no. I think that, I think people misconceptualise his time at Real Madrid a little bit in the sense that there's a sort of easy narrative that can be he went into this dressing room full of spoiled players and they essentially forced him out after a couple of months. Now, I don't think that matches the reality of the situation. I think he did struggle to assert his authority, which is maybe a little bit surprising, considering he was a very successful player in his own right. And in terms of what he did and what he accomplished, you kind of think that would have been a natural environment for him, but he did struggle in that sense. But what is interesting to me, as he said after that match, is true alluded to, he's like, I want us to be boring. I want us to actually just get results rather than playing in the way we play. But when he started at Real Madrid, that was almost the accusation that his teams actually were just sort of really, they were efficient, but really boring, because they were winning a lot of, I think they won the first six Liga games and won ten of the first eleven. But a lot of them were sort of 1-0s, 2-0s against inferior opposition. But what is interesting is for me, is that Real Madrid's issue last season, and I'm still into this one, is their midfield, right? And they never replaced Tony Cruz, they never replaced Liga Modrich. And Chelsea have obviously got midfield issues over their own. Enzo Fernandez has gone, wasn't replaced in the final there. The window was, we know, Moises Casado is injured. It's not what you can do about that. But there was one or two others left. And Andreas Antos was allowed to leave. And Chelsea's midfield, that sort of lead to this structure of not being able to control games in the way they'd want, especially a game like this, where we all know what Halla are about. But Hall, and I don't want to go too much down the route of XG, but Hall's XG was 1.49 compared to Chelsea's 0.89, which considering the game's tier of Chelsea treeling for a lot of that much, is quite significant. So you could say the Tigers who came for XG, but I'm, that's trying to crew by that end. But yeah, Halla, Halla, Halla, obviously, a much better team than many people. So not just times of their setup, but in times of what they can do, and what damage they can do. But for Chelsea, I think Alonzo is trying to be creative with his solutions to a midfield problem. And at Madrid, he did that by trying to be quite sort of dull and efficient. But when he did that, that one defeat that they had early on was a 5-2 defeat against Atlético Madrid. And I don't think he ever fully recovered from that match in terms of his own standing within the dressing room, and then his messages became quite mixed. So I think he might be a little bit wary of that at Chelsea at the minute. I think he's just trying to find a way of getting results. And I think that he, in his head, he's trying to think well, the best way of doing that is to rely on our best players, I'm called Palmer and Morgan Rogers and draw Pedro to just see them through at the minute, whilst he settled on a sustainable style of play. Right. Morgan Rogers contributing a brilliant goal to take the lead in this game. The good news for Chelsea and Javier Lunzés that as she was mentioning before, a lot of those top four contenders themselves struggling to get their seasons pointing in the right direction. But incredible stuff from Harlan. A quick word for Mohamed Balumi for anyone who's not familiar with him or he's kind of footballing heritage. Tom, what have you got? Well, he's the son of Lactar Balumi, who is one of Algeria's greatest ever footballers. A guy who spent his entire career playing in Algeria at a time when Algerian football has tended not to leave the country, but was linked with some of the biggest clubs in Europe. It was linked with Juventus when Michelle Patini was there, played at the 1982 World Cup, scored in the famous victory over West Germany and is revered in Algeria. But isn't all that well known outside of his own country said to have been the player who invented the no-look pass. Really? So that allegedly is his gift to the game. And you watch his son, you watch Mohamed Balumi. You can't say that this has just all come from his dad, but there's clearly some kind of lineage there. Because he's a wonderful footballer. And I must admit, I don't watch a huge amount of championship football. He wasn't someone that I was familiar with, but right from the opening weekend and that incredible win over Manchester United, he was a player who stood out. I watched them draw against Ashton Villa last weekend or the weekend before us opening when you listen to this. He comes closest to scoring with his fantastic shot from a wide on the right that crashes off the crossbar. And yeah, took his two goals brilliantly against Chelsea, albeit the second one was deflected. But yeah, wonderful left foot. And one of those players who just makes you think things are going to happen every time he gets on the ball. And holes kind of start to season is really interesting because there was quite a lot of focus on the fact that the tactical setup they deployed for their opening victory against United, the kind of the 541, had been designed specifically for that game, because they'd noticed that United had struggled against team teams who played with the back five in preseason, but they've stuck with it. And it works brilliantly. And I think there are faint echoes of the time, and the time hole came up in 2008, 2009, when they were riding high in the table, until kind of like lay top toe, but surprised everyone with the boldness of their football. And you know, we're seeing something very similar again. Giovanni, who was part of that team, was the Brazilian, was very similar in style, the ball of throw. Another of great several Brazilians. Will the emphasis forget Derby's 11 points, how a hunting man sees 100 point record? Well, early days of course, but you can't rule anything out in the Premier League. Liverpool and Spurs, play each other on Tuesday. They both had a disappointing time, but it's time round next stop. Let's have a look at what they got up to. Yeah, Caraba Cup clash in round three of that competition, coming up on Tuesday between Liverpool and Spurs. Both were unable to score, but this weekend Liverpool, in there, Neil Neal draw, with the previously pointless, full-arm, James Pearce, the Paul Ryzen for the Athletics, says they were outplayed for significant periods by a team who had lost all three of their matches before their visit to Anfield. They were flat, careless and disjointed. Another manager, trying to sort his team out, and Donnie Irreola, with three draws us out of four, although I guess in his case, we've seen all of this before with Bournemouth. But Spurs, who were hosting Everton and the T-time Saturday game, what to make of their performance? Should we start off with a quick word for Everton, and then managing to hold Spurs multi-million-pound attack to, well, zero results. Should you were you impressed with Everton, or you want to just pile in on the Tottenham? A bit of both. I think with Everton, James, I was looking at thinking, could you show a bit more ambition and go and win the game? Because I feel there's such a vulnerability about Tottenham at home. And it almost felt like Everton had settled for the point quite early on. They had phases in the game, but they attacked a little bit more. Brendan Johnson had a really good chance, actually, from one of Everton's best moves, involving James Garner. I thought I had a really good game. But yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was, and I know they're limited with their attacking options, Everton, I felt, maybe you look at that and think, is that an away game that you can actually go and win? And not just think we're happy with the point. So, yeah, maybe glass, glass half empty, a bit there, but Tottenham, oh, I'm a big like, when Roberta Deserville was at Brighton, I thought I loved him. I thought football was amazing, but I looked at that Saturday, and I thought it was quite boring for periods. There was a moment, about five minutes before half time, and it was just maddening to watch this, because Tottenham hadn't been playing particularly well. Mickey Van the Wet, then when the ball offered, Tjöne Barry, it's in the center circle. And then, then Tanka Fernandez, and Tanali, just start passing six yards, balls to each other back and forth, like again and again and again. And the crowd are going crazy, like, we would like to see us try and score a goal and play forward. So, yeah, I just find it a really frustrating performance. I felt the team looked disjointed. It was like, I'm trying to accommodate Selanki Marmousse, alongside Savio in attack, and it never really worked. It never really clicked. I think the only had two shots on target. There was sarcastic applause, almost from their own fans, when they had one early in the second half. And, yeah, it feels, it feels a mess, in a way that I've got to be honest, I didn't think it would be, again, this season. Obviously, they've had two awful seasons, and I genuinely thought, the Serbia would sort it out. They spent a lot of money. I know things don't happen overnight, but even so, you know, four games in, still yet to school. I don't think they've had a particularly tough start on paper either. It's worrying. I'm not quite sure where they go from here, really. Hmm. Famously, they did score a goal last in the Premier League, on the last day of last season against Everton, and it was the same opponent, say, face this time, having spaffed over 300 million, largely on goal scores. Have they spent all that money and become a worse team? I don't know if they're a worse team. Are they... Are they school goals with the old lineup? Yes. And they've lost important players as well. I mean, let's not forget they've spent a lot of money. But I kind of think a large part of their summer window was almost where we have money, and we are spending money. And that is what we are being seen to do. We're actually a big club. We're not a club here thinking about possible relegation. We're thinking of where top six club again. We're a big six club. We've got a lot of revenue, and we're not afraid to spend it. My worry with Tottenham is that they've signed a lot of players. You're in their own right of good players, with qualities, and obviously they're sort of central and field issues last year. We're a big issue of creativity. But I don't see a team who've got a talisman. I don't see a team who's got a striker who's going to go out and get 15 or 20 goals a season. And actually it was Recharlison, their top goal scorer last year. His goals really kept Tottenham in the league, has been excluded from their Premier League squad. He's tried to leave the club. It's been unable to do so for a variety of reasons. And that in itself creates a bit of bad blood. And I think some of Roberto Desarbe's press conferences would give me a little bit of pause for concern as well. After this match, he came out, made a couple of comments about how, well, you know, we're keeping clean sheets. No, I ain't if I was in Italy. I'd be the best coach in the league. But one of the things that I find really uncomfortable actually was straight out after the final whistle. And this was on the cameras. It was he went over to Matthias Tell, who had been only a substitute on Matthias Tell, probably a player who, quite a promising young player, but probably fragile confidence, I think it's fair to say. And he was, I think you could go as far as say, he was almost screaming in his face about not making certain runs or doing a certain movement like this. It was quite reminiscent of what Pep Guardiola would have done a little bit performative after a match. But Pep Guardiola would have done that from a position of strength that we've won the match. This player is obviously, you wouldn't be needing an early Harlem type player, somebody who's been really influential and who could obviously take that. And that's performative. And what deserving was doing was performative, but I kind of think that went slightly under the realms of bullying because Matthias Tell did not look comfortable with that. So the Tottenham lit reader. Tottenham hot spur lit reader Twitter have seized upon this. And the suggestion is, it's hard to, you can't see what Deserby is saying to tell in the TV footage because he's got his back to the camera, but tell apparently, and having watched it, I think this possibly is what he says, replies to him, I was just trying to play football, which suggests that he's kind of being asked why he wasn't doing other things that were on his list of responsibilities. And he was just trying to come on and do his thing. But yeah, I mean, you know, spurs obviously aren't clicking in an attacking sense. The choice to align Matthias Fernandez as the number 10, I find slightly curious, obviously a super talented player, but watching him with West Ham last season, I didn't find myself thinking this is a guy who can be the number 10 for a club who are kind of aiming for European qualification. But you look at the players who came off the bench yesterday, Muhammad Kudus, who missed a lot of games last season. He came on for Fernandez, played in the number 10 role. James Madison came on later on as well. These are players who are better suited to that role. I wonder if in the fullness of time, one of them will end up, you know, claiming that jersey in durable fashion. And as much as, you know, Tottenham have been very underwhelming so far, there's an awful lot of new players still being bedded in. And a coach who has a very singular vision of football that he's trying to get across, you know, the approach yesterday was a new one. Marmouche moves out to the left. Dominic Salanki played at centre-forward. So he's trying to find the right formula. And the first 20 minutes, spurs were brilliant. Like, flew out of the traps, really aggressive, you know, pressing high. There was a crispness to the passing. They were getting numbers for. The credit couple of chances didn't take up. Did they have in that period? Not any, I don't think. But I mean, young Paul Van Hacker had a good chance from an Andy Robertson free kick. But yeah, once that initial fire had just kind of burnt itself out, they, you know, they did, they did kind of like shrink into their shells a little bit. Briefly sure, is this a confidence issue, or is this a tactical vision issue? Bit of both. But I mean, just quickly picking up on that point now, they were really good in the first 10. I do think they could have had shots on target. And this is one of the really frustrating things to decisions they make. That Matthias Fernandez, I don't know if you remember this, Tom. He has a great opportunity. Savio cuts it back. And then he doesn't shoot. He chooses to do like a sole role to move the ball forward. And then the chance is gone. And that's the Archie Graham member coming inside into the centre of the field. He's got Marmouche one side, and I think Salanki appealed the other side. And he decides to shoot from 25 yards. Those things, it happened at Forest the week before as well. That decision-making is really, really letting them down. So yeah, sorry, James, I'm answering your question. I think it's both, to be honest, it's not even time. Oh, it was good. And answered to a much better question that I didn't ask. Anyway, Spurs, next Saturday, are going to be hosting Ashton Villa, who have actually scored a goal now. And it happened this weekend at home to nodding on Forest. But it was forested to all three points, winning two won in what was their first victory for the venue manager, Oliver Glasner. Oh, he's had Liam Delam, scoring his first goal for Forest, straight off to the kickoff of the second half. Lovely goal as well. Lovely goal as well. We had Ego Jesus finding the net as well. Lots of positive things for Forest at last. That Morgan Gibbs white assist for the Ego and Jesus school was magnificent. And I saw the start that I opted to, put up that Morgan Gibbs white has either scored or assisted in it, Premier League away matches and a rule for nodding on Forest, which is one off the Premier League record for any side, which is remarkable. And that shows you his influence. And he scored or assisted three or four goals this season. And last season was similar. He was just involved in so much. And I think the fact that he wasn't in that England squad for the Summer World Cup, maybe he raised a few eyebrows. He wasn't selected for the Premier League team of the year either. And you kind of think, is it about Morgan Gibbs white? He is continually overlooked for these goals. I think he might still be the leading scorer in the Premier League in 2026. And that's Harlan does equal that today. But going into last weekend, he was, I think he scored 13 goals for the calendar year. And you watch him. He's just a dream of a footballer. He's so inventive. I mean, that assists, it's the kind of thing he does all the time. Yeah, again, a massive, massive Morgan Gibbs white fan. And yeah, it was, you know, that flick that ultimately proved decisive in getting forest on the board with the first win in the campaign. Excellent. Excellent. Lots of other things to discuss still on today's two-ly football show, including Swansea Burnley. And we'll get on to all of that next. Stuart, is your birthday on Saturday? Many happy returns. Thank you very much, James, yeah. Yeah, you took time out from watching every single game in the Premier League weekend. Go and watch your Swansea take on Burnley. And you were given a bit of a, well, Swansea got a bit of a present from the Burnley keeper, Max Vice. Yeah, he was very generous. He had a really bad game. And yes, Swansea took full advantage. Actually, Burnley got the second goal as well. First and second goal, they basically gifted us. So, yeah, we'll accept them. And yeah, it was a really good win. Strange seeing people like Jamie Vardy came on his sub for Burnley. And Karl Walker's playing for Burnley is a bit weird watching them trying to make sense of what Burnley are doing really. And what tends to happen, I know this has, you know, someone who's been a fan of a championship team for a number of years now is the teams that come down from the Premier League typically go straight back up or a real force in the championship because there's such a gulf between the two leagues. And they're a Burnley down at the bottom, haven't won a game. So, it's a bit odd seeing that, to be honest with you. But, yeah, they were very poor on the weekend. And the Swan's didn't have to be at their best to get a result. But that was a nice birthday present James, you know. Well, good. Good. I'm delighted you enjoyed that. Burnley, two seasons ago, was it two seasons ago when they were down with Vincent Company before they came up? So, it'd be three seasons ago, I guess. This isn't for the last. The promotion season. The promotion season. The promotion season on Vincent Company. They've already conceded this bargain. Yes. Yes. Anyway, they've already conceded this important thing. There's many goals this season as they did in that entire campaign. Swansea, in Roode Health, in a three-way type, the top of the championship. Who are the other two teams with them? Well, West Brom, and West Ham, who this weekend had quite the result, beating Rexham, 6-0, 6-0. Wow. The first time in the Hammers history, there's many of six different players of school for them in a league match. You also, if you're watching the championship this weekend, may have seen a particularly egregious miss from Birmingham's Lewis Vasquez at Derby. Bad. Like an old timer. Quite often these days, you hear that, oh, I mean, a miss of the season. How's your miss that? And you see it, you're like, oh yeah, I mean, but you know, but it was coming in fast or it bubbled. This is just... Tell us, Ronny Rosenthal levels. But someone has a shot and the goalkeeper palms it out. And it's just kind of like trundling across the box and Vasquez comes in from the left and has the whole goal to aim at. And there's no one anywhere near him. And he just side-footed it over the bar. Over the bar. I mean, Kudos to him for choosing the side-foot, which usually guarantees a degree of accuracy. Right. Unfortunately, just put a little bit too much on it and I'll put one into the sky. Wow. Well, there you go. Suraj Kumar says, I'm a Swamsi fan from India. So this is a great surprise to hear about my club here. There you go. James B3289 says, Has Leif Davis got a chance to be called up for England? Has he? I remember tipping in for an England call. Did you? When it switched last came up. Because, you know, England had this long-standing left-back problem. And then it switched for a dreadful. And we didn't really see that much of it. But he was the star of the show against Palace on Saturday. A goal and assist. And he is a very modern, you know, rum-paging left-back. So... So Stu hasn't seen this. This is one of the few games he hasn't seen for this weekend yet. So he's going to find all of this very interesting. Leif Davis with a goal and assist. And he almost got another goal. A header against Crossbar. Later on as Ipswich came from behind, away to Palace. One of your favourite Premier League players. As you get in CISO in action as well. Didn't get on the school sheet, but was a big part of this one as well. As the two worst defenses in the Premier League came head-to-head. And the goal's ensued. Ipswich, we've spoken glowingly about Hull. Same for Ipswich, Gary O'Neil. So Ipswich. Yeah, I think so. I think when we talk about Leif Davis. And obviously he's his obvious qualities are in attack. And what he brings to the final third. And that was evident on Saturday. And I think that's sort of Gary O'Neil team. The Gary O'Neil set up where they don't mind sitting deep. But then they breathed quite fast and in numbers. I know they lost 5-2 against Manchester. But they caused them quite a lot of problems. And I think they probably took a lot of heart from that performance. And being true to what their game plan was. And obviously they've got a big attack in threat in general. Zianne Fleming, who scored the winner. He scored, I think, 16 goals since the start of last season when he was with Burnley. And that wasn't quite a low scoring Burnley side. And that's probably a little bit of what they're missing at the minute. So I think Ipswich have recruited smartly this summer. I think whenever they went up the previous time on the Kieran McKenna. There was an acceptance and it was going to be very difficult that they were signing players with a sort of longer-term view that were they to go darn again. They were sort of ready-made, very high-quality championship level players. Whereas this summer has been Jillian Seasow coming in Zianne Fleming who got those goals last year and others throughout that team. Where they kind of looked, there's certainly more of a self-assuredness to this team, I think. And a team that, again, like Hall, who just offers something a little bit different and gives teams a problem tactically. It's just being a little bit different, I think. When we spoke about Coventry earlier, I think the reason the Coventry maybe have struggled is that they kind of just used the same tactics they used in the championship, which was against inferior players. But now, their games are far too open and they're losing matches quite heavily and their confidence takes a knock. But I think Gary O'Neill and with Hall City as well, they've got a slightly different approach and they've modified from what the teams were last year. They've maybe grown a little bit and become more pragmatic. And I think that that's quite problematic for teams. Okay, Axel Disassies, very hard for Palace. Maybe dictates this game a little bit. But yeah, they made a great start. And it sort of throws open the entire bottom half of the Premier League this season. Certainly does. Only four games since we weren't. Look at it yet. But it's tempting, isn't it? By the way, Gary O'Neill's someplace with the Academy at Crystal Palace. I didn't know that. Interesting. They're one of the games so far this weekend was the two-two draw between Bournemouth and Brentford. To take the lead and not win the game once in the Premier League might be seen as misfortunes to it. I'm kind of paraphrasing here. But to do it, four games in a row, do you have to wonder if some things going on with the mentality these cherries players? What's the story? Yeah, I had a Bournemouth fan actually. Not happy with me having Bournemouth so high last week. Which is a strange one. You normally get criticized for the opposite. But saying, we keep learning these late goals. You know, that's just not good enough. That is part of performance. And of course it is. But yeah, I actually think these are two of my favourite teams this season. Brentford and Bournemouth. I've really enjoyed watching them. Brentford, especially in the first two games, gets leads and spurs. And Bournemouth absolutely deserved them. I've got three points on the board, I think, from four games. Yeah, that should be far more than that. Obviously, they were leading it city until late on the opening day. They were brilliant in Newcastle last weekend as well. And deserved more than a point there. And played really, really well. I guess there's one positive yesterday. They didn't let in a late goal again. But remember, you know, there was some balls being bombarding, like on Coyote, who was throwing balls in in the way. They're sort of a rowy-delap fashion. And I can imagine I was thinking, if you conceded from one of those, I think they just struggled to recover from that mindful of previous weeks. But yeah, there was a lot of positives for them again yesterday. Yeah, sorry to bring SG into it too, but theirs was really, really high. They created some brilliant chances. Actually, it's probably the best I've seen even if some play. I'm not going to get, like, put them in the same bracket as Brian and Robby who's a one-off. But his hold-up play was great. He was linking really, really well with the two wingers either side of him and Alex Scott coming through. So I think there's loads of positives there. I know that obviously he'd be really disappointed that they've let all these really good positions slit this season. But I like the way they play. They play fast, you know, slick football. And they've recruited well again. You know, they lose so many players every summer. Antonio Silva has come in, sent it back from Benfica. And he was his passing. It was brilliant yesterday. They've just got a knack of finding players, much like Brentford, really. So yeah, okay, the table doesn't look brilliant, but well, it looks good in my performance table. Put it that way. They're playing well. Excellent. Where are you going to put them in your performance table? It's due this week. Oh gosh. Do you know what? Can I just say on that, James? I tied myself in knots over this. It is ridiculous. I was having a reader made a really, really good comment. And they said, what would make this easier? Stroke better is if we did it like a school report. So it was ABCD. E, you know, all degraded. Yeah. And then you could have actually several teams on the same. Yeah. Whereas last week, I think there were six draws last week. And yeah, you know, should Forest be above Spurs? Should Spurs be above Forest? And Neil and he would draw. And there's not. So sorry. I don't know. I haven't watched all the games. But they'll be high. They will be top six. Yeah. Playing here at the time. I'm going to give a very big must try harder though, too. The Bournemouth keeper, Georgia Petrovich, who, well, he had a bit of a mayor. Yeah. Well, I mean, Brentford's second goal is delivered to them. And in particular, Kevin Sharder on a plate. And this is three minutes after Marcus Tavanier has just put Bournemouth in front. And Petrovich, who is renowned for his ability to play. From the back, he spent a season on loan at Strasbourg and watched him quite a lot. And he was really good. But consequently, he occasionally gets a bit overconfident. And he overconfidently stroked the ball straight to Kevin Sharder, who just has confidently stroked it back over his head. Confident is a double-edged sword, isn't it, just. Cherries will begin their maiden European campaign in the Europa League. They are, I think they're away. They're going to Real Sociedad. That'll be a lovely trip to Bask. Country, that game is on Thursday, previously we mentioned. Who is the team we mentioned that was in the other team that was in there, playing on Tuesday. I can't think who that was. Anyway, but pallets are also in the Europa League. They're playing Leck Posnon, pretty to Charlie Sharder on the other side of them. Sunderland playing AZ. He's an outman. There you go. Ooh, you know what, in our European totally football show, which will be with you Tuesday, just in time for some of these fixtures. We'll have a bit of a preview of the Europa League, because that's the only European competition taking place this midweek. And there's clearly some pretty exciting games going on. So Tom, you'll be there. We'll have Paul. We'll have James Horne Castle, Seb Stuffer Blore. It'll be great. Do join us for that. But I think, when Newcastle leads still to come from the Premier League, we can, that we kind of wrapped up Match Day 4. Unless anybody else has got, anybody's got any other things they want to add in. Then we'll probably let you go back to his marathon match day viewing. So you thank you so much for taking time out from that to join us, to give us some early unfiltered thoughts. Thanks very much. Have me on. Really enjoyed it. Well, I will be looking forward to your, to your who has won the weekend. And who is very much definitely the best team and the worst team in the league. Definitively. Definitively. So anyway, that's out on the athletic, of course. Should be with you well on Tuesday after they play on Monday night. Tom, be seeing you on Monday 4 Tuesday's European show. Kind of look forward to seeing you again soon on the Totally Football Show. Do hope we'll have your company as well. We will stroke listener. And thank you for being with us this evening with our thanks to Charlie and Jake and the booth from all of us here. It's company.