The Tactical & Capital Audit: Breaking Down 'The Totally Football Show' Analysis

From downtown London, it's a totally football show with our Sunday night round-up. Week 2, Bruno Starr's cheeky vanandos and a very, very good hat-trigger's man United Book 5 boss Ipswich. Cole Palmer's Chelsea and Chucky's City put the pressure on Arsenal with four goals of peace against Brighton and Palace and Spurs. Their bid to not finish 17th this season on track. Currently got last place nailed down. Sunday the 30th of August and after a significant Varsque delay, we're here with our Sunday night live round-up. Woo! I'm so excited because we've got a Ranchito reunion going on in the studio. Tom Williams is here. Howdy James. Howdy to you too. It's a return for Tim Spears as well. Hello James. In your big branded Los Angeles hat as well. It's an LA reunion so I thought it'd bring my big LA hat. All right and it wouldn't be an LA reunion or a van noise one without Felipe Cardenas. What is happening? Thank you. I should have worn my LA Dodgers hat and you should have worn your LA Dodgers jersey. I am. I am. It's on. It's happening. Felipe Cardenas is not here in the studio. I'll keep you. He's over in lovely Atlanta, Georgia. How's Atlanta, Felipe? Atlanta, Georgia, yes. Home of hip hop. It's beautiful here though. I think the summer is starting at the end. It's almost fall and falls a lovely season here in the south. So yeah, if you haven't come to Atlanta before come visit, you'll love it. It's a great city. All right, excellent. Go and see some football as well. Oh yeah, there's plenty of you're here. Every sport you can watch any sport you want. All right. How's the new season going there? In, I mean, in MLS, MLS season is back after the World Cup. I guess the latest headline is that Lionel Messi scored four goals last night. Made it look very easy. And yeah, there's a whole Fiasco around Inter Miami. They don't, you know, Lionel Messi is just hiring his friends as coaches and it's just what it is. It's sort of interesting that he's still here doing what he does. Excellent. Excellent. Well, he did look pretty phenomenal last night. We're going to talk about Premier League. We could chew though. Might touch on some of the transfers as well, because of course, Tim, the transfer market's going to close on Tuesday evening. What time on Tuesday evening, UK time? 11 p.m. 11 p.m. Yes. All the way to 11. Yeah. What is it? Slamshot. Someone was trying to put the foot in the door to get a couple of deals over like, it'll be a 2 a.m. sort of finish. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's good fun. There have been some major moves, not confirmed, perhaps, that have been going on today. This Cody Gakpo, Liverpool to City thing, which seems to be happening, also spurs signing a player. That's new. And I'm going to jive from Everton with Rachaelison and some money going the other way. Potentially, although Rachaelison's been linked on the internet. Oh, yeah. Athletica Madrid today. I don't know how sort of solid that is, but they do feel like sort of a match. I mean, heaven knows. Yes. Rachaelison and Athletica Madrid. Yeah, a little bit. Here in Diego Simioni. Just imagine. Yeah. I'm struggling with that one. Philippe? I don't know about that. And especially in a few of the other others. And you're like, I just, I want out of here, but they don't let you leave. And then they're like, but we're going to bring in another striker anyway. Oh, that's. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how. I feel like Simioni just doesn't know what he wants to do at the 9th position. If he's considering Rachaelison. All right. Wow. They don't feel like great, great financials for Everton, by the way. If they do get Rachaelison for 35 and enjoy in this mad market, because for 60 to suppose, um, that's low. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree. Although some people say that and Gile, although he looks great, doesn't actually produce the numbers in the final third, probably fair. I mean, he's brilliant to watch. Every time you watch Everton, he's invariably the player who stands out the most, because he's so good. He's such a fantastic dribbler and carrier of the ball, but his stats are pretty underwhelming. And Tottenham appeared have already cornered the market in attacking players who look good on paper, but aren't. And yeah, I guess they figured they needed one more. I will quickly counter that and say, if you lane chances on a plate for Beto and Barry, last season's Barry, you know, not Barry 2.0, then that's going to happen. All right. Okay. Oh, uh, many thanks to everyone who's joining us for the live experience and indeed put up with a significant delay because technology to the start of the show, we, we'd ask for your suggestions for best transfer of the season, of the, of this summer transfer market, Hackney in at Everton for less than 20 million looks great businesses, Billy Zakiri, lots of people like Laughing Man mentioning Constantinus Solakis, or I should be Solakis, as I like to call him, who looks like a steal at 20 million after only two games, so, so true. I mean, that wonderful start with Hal. Callum says, although he's only young, I think Ayurb Buaddi is going to go down as a great piece of business and Ben Young, one more, just for now, but keep on flying in. Says Nikko Gonzalez is a plug and play top quality midfielder who would fit into most teams, first 11. Decent Shows? Yeah, all very decent Shows. Tim, you're going to do a piece, no doubt, trawling through these comments, of the, who won the transfer market type thing, come 11.05 on Tuesday evening? Yeah, we did this for the first time, a year ago, ranking every transfer in the Premier League of the entire Windows, 155 with them last year, and putting them, you know, 155. Yeah, from worst to best. I think probably it's probably going to be more this year. Yes, back by unpopular demand. I mean, the great thing about it was that everyone just agreed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, all the comments just thumbs up. I didn't want to come to the other. I didn't read the comments. That was the assumption that I made. Kind of what, how does he do it? Oh, okay. Felipe, what's your favorite transfer so far? I mean, that's a sound biased. I think we'll get to my feelings about Eston Villa at some point on the show, but I still think Johan Manzabi is a really, really good sign. I know he came in injured, but we saw what he can do at the World Cup. He's a young player, very dynamic. Certainly the type of winger attacking player that Villa needs. So I'm still excited about him. I think he's a great signing. Excellent. Excellent. All right. Well, it has been Sunday afternoon with an absolute terrific match at Old Trafford. Man United bouncing back from there. We won defeat too hard with a thumping win over was thumping, perhaps a little bit for chooses win over. Ibswitch, let's get into that game. And first of all, a quick run through of the results so far this weekend on Friday. Man City 1-4-1 at Salas Park against Crystal Palace Run. Cherokee starting the game and starring with a spectacular brace and that early Harlem with a pair of goals as well. He's now got 10 goals in six appearances against the Eagles. Ooh, Saturdays or Liverpool draw 2-2 again this time at home to Forrest. A late late James Tarkowski straight and Everton a point away at Bournemouth. Howl got their second straight win with a late goal at Coventry and Newcastle won 2-0 at Spurs. Spurs you'll recall top of the spending charts, 300 million plus spend bottom of the Premier League table and yet to score a goal. Sunday in the two o'clock's Chelsea continued their hugely entertaining start. They had that three to win at Fulham on Monday. 4-3 this Sunday at home to Brighton. There were no goals and no shots on target for Fulham as they lost 1-0 away to Sunderland at Ellen Road. Leeds drew 1-1 with Brentford. Well, with one of the goals of the weekend from Kevin Shader and as mentioned in Man United, 5-2 winners at home to Ibswitch. Brunner Fernandish. How many did he end up with? 4-3 and 1-assist. 3-1 assist. Villa Arsenal is on Monday night. We've got lots to talk about from all of that. We're going to begin at Old Trafford. Man United 5 Ibswitch 2. Brunner Fernandes with a hat trick. Tim, how back are United? It's a good question. Sort of at 1-0 down, you could really feel the rain clouds which eventually came. You could see them sort of looming over Carrick's head because I've been lost to Hull, you know, 2-0 with 4-2. Then be 1-0 down to Ibswitch. The question box would really sort of be raised about Carrick. However, they come back on win 5-2 but in this sort of bizarre mad cap, we'll never be repeated kind of way. It's hard to judge because they're the first four goals. One was from a Gerard Esk slip which lets them in for one all. One was from an utterly mad decision which we're getting to in a second. One was a penalty and then the fourth goal was a block and two deflections before it forced to Fernandes. They're all like sort of slapstick sort of goals but United went off for the opportunity by Ibswitch because they were off for the opportunity. Hull, last week, very disciplined really sort of ground out that victory. Ibswitch a little bit, they're fun but a little bit to attack mine in a little bit to open but once off for that opportunity by Ibswitch they looked electric with Fernandes sort of pulling the strings and boomer and Rashford and Konya sort of running off him. It looked pretty exciting and pretty enthralling but until things settled down and we know how good or bad it's which are you know how good or bad mine United is. It's difficult to judge whether they're back Jimbo which doesn't quite answer your question so they're sort of back for now but with a little asterisk. Okay but it's significantly better than last week and probably significantly better than the first half performance although they were very much involved in that as well. Tell us about the, I can't remember quite how you described it but the bizarre, extraordinary, etc. Harry Maguire goal. So it's why it's one all and United have sort of started to to to step things up and boomers just missed well one of the worst misses of the entire season is missed from two a two-yard open goal on the volley and you wonder if it's going to be sort of one of those afternoons but then it was a very sort of 1990s old Trafford decision but VAR still sort of lets it through. Maguire blocks the ball just outside the box with one or both of his hands sort of puts his hands up like that. It's just his arm. Yeah but it's very it's very clear handball either way but then the ball sort of drops at his feet he takes a couple of touches, has a shot and scores. Looks like obvious handball he still celebrates on like why he's celebrating this is going to be ruled out. However because the shot of Maguire was so bad because he was heading off target it was deflected in for an own goal. So the rule then becomes because he didn't score the goal himself the handball is irrelevant because time continued after his handball. So normally goal score scores as me later handballed it was all that but this time he didn't score the goal. Okay the the athletic keeps a referee expert in a box in a cupboard I think and they opened the cupboard to check and I think the refereeing expert said that they thought even if it hadn't been an own goal it would have stood because there was still ample time for a switch to intervene before he got the shot away and then it was an accidental handball. I'm not so sure I'm not so sure does anybody else have this insanity just to rule to rule a goal out because the shot was bad yes actually doesn't feel like a very sort of you know the water to let a go water type process right to let a go stand yeah yeah well when the rule was tweaked which was what a year ago a couple of years ago to mean that if the handball was committed by a player other than the goal scorer the goal would be allowed to stand it opened the door to peculiar situation such as this one every time they tweak it it seems to open up a whole new can of handball worms had that goal not been given do you think it would have had a material impact on the destination of the three points no probably not not the way that Fernandez was playing not the way the Ipswich were were defending it I think was the first goal right okay like the United equalizer which was a complete fluke and a team was saying reminiscent of the the Stephen Gerard slip at that point Ipswich are not only a goal up with five minutes to play until half time but they've been threatening prior to opening the scoring Julio and Cizzo runs through in that counter attack and shoot straight at Sena Lamont's and they were on the attack they had almost all their players in the penalty area when Marcella Nunez slips over and without that it was hard to see United equalizing you know because they hadn't made that many chances I that's the moment that changes the entire game and then you get the double whammy of you know the Maguire business and from that point on I don't think there was any way back okay a couple other things I wanted to mention one the brunner Fernandez attempt from within his own half so the guy scores a hat trick kind of like Pele you you you end up talking about something that he didn't score which is this shot from the from the halfway line yeah right right from one of the kickoffs amazing sort of improvisation and also another amazing thing you did was the assist for a boomer's goal it's like gorgeous like sandwich pass over the top and for all that we're talking about brunner Fernandez a hat trick looks like he could be the man for this season the way that he's always I guess he's been being for a while but you felt you felt that if they could sort the team out he could really come into an ascendancy maybe this is the the year but for all that we're talking about him Kobe Maynu how important was he today yeah I think with the ball he played very well he was responsible for the pass through to Mateus Cunier in the build up to United's third goal on the hour Cunier gets in behind Jacob Grieves who's just scored the own goal Grieves sides him down Fernandez makes it three one from the penalty spot and you know that was the moment when United put the game to bed and he did some really interesting things with the board you saw the occasions of you know quick passing combinations little triangles with him in tealamans and brunner Fernandez I think without the ball is the issue and ips which is danger man throughout today was in seizo operating in that number ten roll just off emerson and United really struggled to shut him down and I think that the the configuration of the midfield remains in issue we know that if you put brunner Fernandez in the number ten roll and he feels he has the confidence to attack he can do incredible things he did it the whole way through last season he did it today but the the tealamans may new double pivot is it you know kind of does it have a kind of a destructive enough component to prevent players like in seizo from wreaking havoc be interested to see how Carlos Belabor fits into to all that and yes and not to point the thing directly at may new but I think the freedom that in seizo enjoyed suggests that that's something that Michael Carrick might need to look at again nothing new two years ago Gary Anil's first match at was was was manager was away I'll travel and he selected runners from sort of midfield and and attack me for you and just ran at you night because it was yawning gaps in front of the defense same thing today really but it's it's just just a warning that they did look really fun like Tom mentions in seizo who was great would also like Fatu and Maida either side and emerson at front basically playing four attackers but they were just a little bit too fun too fun you know it's always like it's like near one I would say you know you need to enjoy it but by being disciplined and they just weren't like a Tory back venture enjoy it by being disciplined indeed Philippe by the way while we're rabbating on if you wanted to throw something in just wave your hand because you're a long way way there and I'll add next time I do I do have one thing to say about Manchester United I agree that you know Bruno Fernandes world class what what a performance today it's hilarious that he tries to score from halffield on the the tallest goalkeeper in the history of the Premier League he's he had it covered trust me like that's not going in but I do feel like if like for for man United to be good Bruno Fernandes has to be excellent all the time there's almost too much responsibility on him and he's great but Tom is right I feel like that midfield tealman is a great addition but they don't have somebody who's really covering space who's really eating up the pitch and can take on the other teams most most dangerous player you know if if they feel that role I think this team can be better but that's something that I saw in the midfield off the ball the times point they weren't as pacy they weren't as intense when they were in possession all right they were five two winners though again Seb's Rachel what turned out to be a very rain sodden afternoon at all traffic just to mention quickly it which is first goal was absolute beauty and kind of got you know almost forgotten about by the end of the game because so many things happened but Fatu who as Tim said had an absolute brilliant game had Luke Shaw on toast all afternoon nutmegs him out on the right flank draw draw drives to the byline cuts the ball back and then leaf david it's this really impossibly difficult volley you know the ball spitting up at him off the off the greasy surface and adjust his body brilliantly side for half volley in off the crossbar and yeah I'd lovely start to what turned out to be a pretty pretty dismal afternoon in the end Fatu always want to watch the season he enjoyed or produced more take on than any player in England last year when he was in Leicester's terrible relegated team from the championship and I think they got him for 20 million ups which so he's he's want to watch I would say he might be on your best transfer list as well hey let's move on to some of Sunday's other action how about at Stanford Bridge where Chelsea took on Brighton you've got a terrific record there on the King's Rose but not today they didn't four three they lost against Chelsea Tim you watch this one how back are Chelsea Chelsea a fun exclamation mark yeah that's 13 goals in their two games so far right three to a full on four three here but in a very interesting way because Chelsea had 20 foot well I've seen conflicting reports either 25 or 26% present a lot of possession though they're they're lowest in any match for 15 years Chelsea yeah not only that they only completed 146 passes in the entire game which is the lowest figure home or away that's ever been recorded for a Chelsea match it's a new direction it's a counter revolution if you will yeah when you imagine that often midfielders can hit sort of 90 hundred passes you know a game of team dominant possession that is such a low figure I cannot believe it but they say it's true I can't believe it either but we're just going to have to go with it and yeah well the only 38% possession at full on so this isn't just a one off game to sort of counter you know Brighton's passing game and much like with the full on game this was a match that could have gone another way full on had their chances on Monday there were chances good law there were huge opportunities the Gomez miss in this match for Brighton but you're right they are incredibly fun to watch and that's partly because their front three is clearly having so much fun themselves they did have fun you can really see the freedom that Rogers and Palmer have been given and then Pedro Netto came in today at wingback I don't think he's ever played wingback in his career he did a bit in pre-season but this is the first time from the start he had he was on one plank and Hato was on the other and I mean Netto is one of the sort of the best pure counter attackers in the league that's just what he's very good very low center gravity quick acceleration gets the ball at his feet and conversed into opposition heart and that worked really well he probably one of his best games in the Chelsea shirt actually and the third goal just sort of epitomised everything Chelsea were doing because Brighton they weren't even pressing Brighton it was really unusual they were just sort of letting Brighton have the ball and waiting for that misplaced pass and then they pounce and they go and it's Rogers just outside his own box he does a lovely little swively sachet type thing and then releases Hato down the left a few touches later he's he's at the other box drives it across which Appedro great finish 3-0 and but they were always wonderful Brighton were always in the game it's 4-3 it wasn't a 4-3 game they scored with their last touch of the match Brighton otherwise sort of Chelsea were always slightly in control but they're going to be fun because the defence looks pretty weak as Emiliano Martinez was saying after the game you know based on the defence things to be said well he said you know we need to be better at the back basically and yeah and there he was making his debut only announced in the morning and plays in the afternoon that's not a shout for signing of the summer I think at the at the fees the seven and a half million that's like a 1997 goalkeeper price how about Gabriela jesus for 8.6 million yeah and 90s is that there's £100,000 more than it costs Liverpool to sign Stan Colleymore from Nottingham Forest in the summer of 1996 which is the British transfer record kids if you can believe it incredible incredible so yeah so new goalkeeper in yeah and Robert Sanchez not in the squad which which doesn't look great for him not great for him possibly a move on the way before Tuesday Felipe do come in I was about to wish us some stuff about how worried Arsenal should be about Chelsea but tell us your thoughts 95 sorry Colleymore yeah well first of all I want to address a comment in the in our chat from brass moustache who is asking is Felipe real so yes I'm not AI I'm not an AI robot on the show I'm an actual human being so yes yes brass moustache I am real looking Felipe is he has to reassure people he's not AI Felipe you're on a beach and you see a turtle lying on its back it's flipping trying to get itself back upright how do you feel oh man I feel heartbroken I want to help that that turtle honestly yeah yeah I'm sorry I'm hiding a little bit of school sorry Felipe I want to talk about Emmy Martina Emmy Martina I mean if you're a Chavilla Lonzo you're a new manager you're at Chelsea the spotlights there you have all these attacking weapons you spend a ton of money and yet you're not sure how you're going to do one of the one of the positions that you want to be sure of is goalkeeper and I mean that on Martina is deeper Martina is I think that could to sounds point that could be one of the signings of the transfer window a a world cup winner proven goalkeeper in the Premier League and and yeah they concede three goals today but if you watch the game and I if you go back to week one two I will we're talking about this off the air the defending so far has not been great but again it's because there's so many elite attackers in this league but now Chelsea if they figure out just how to defend uh capably and in certain patches of the game and they know they have Emmy Martinas in the back like this team is going to be very good in my opinion they have all the attacking pieces they just cannot go they can't win game sport three every weekend but a huge signing for Chavilla Lonzo right and Chavilla Lonzo is just starting with the the team if this is the way the early results are going then yeah you know there's time to get everything else sorted out yeah especially with them at a training time they're going to have yeah no you're a football and I think we have to give Chelsea a bit of credit because we've all mercilessly taken the Mickey out of them for their woeful and a hilarious recruitment for many years now but they've they've they've addressed two things which we've criticized them for a long time won the goalkeeper and two lack of experience that's what they've done this summer so um so yeah they look they look like they're going to be once another one to watch them both right one to watch certainly next Sunday because 4 30 who are they going to be playing apparently Arsenal Arsenal so how worried not just next Sunday but in terms of the title how worried should Arsenal be about Chelsea I suspect Arsenal probably aren't enormously worried about Chelsea because to in the league you need to be able to attack and defend and so far we've seen lots of evidence that Chelsea can do one but not the other but I mean if I also can sort the defensive and we are only two games into the season that attack looks genuinely frightening slash mouthwatering depending on your perspective my senses that Chelsea will will probably be be up there um I still think Arsenal have just got a relatively decent sized margin over the over the opposition at the moment hmm poor shot 45 I think is a Chelsea support and he says Arsenal will batter us there you go Felipe yeah I mean Tom is right I don't think Arsenal is looking at Chelsea and thinking oh boy like this is the team that we really need to be up against I mean the Chelsea can be attacked they they're going to concede goals and Arsenal are just a collection they're they're like the perfect collection of players at each position every player on that team knows what they have to do every player is technical enough to to to to overperform in their positions and they if they're playing a team that's going to attack them like Chelsea is if there's one team in the Premier League that trust their defense it's Arsenal so I think that's a game that Arsenal not that they're not they're looking past it but it's not it's not a huge concern for that all right we shall see we shall see Brighton last Sunday they were four nil up after 31 minutes this time around they were three nil down after 32 how life can change so very very quickly Tim also they put four goals past Tromsone the conference league on Thursday anyway would you be unduly concerned if you were Fabian Hurtselar over this game well no I'm maybe because you know Villa capitulated last week so that wasn't really a sort of a bright and a amazing kind of game either for Brogdon made a made a really obvious made a shocking mistake for one nil we sort of set the tone right at the start they were just a bit too open really they're just a bit too naive they were sort of leaving three on three at the back and Chelsea just exploited it so they're obviously just going to have to get used to Thursday Sunday thing they're not used to it and I'm not sure got a squad for it but they'll be fine I can miss it a lot of players today as well thank you to Jack Henshelwoods, Striginier, Rutter, Minton I involve, Mithoma still out so that it wasn't you know wasn't peak Brighton indeed not very good the other Sunday games sort of one one draw between Leeds and Brentford featuring one of the goals of the weekend a Philippe oh what a goal what a goal um the German Kevin Shade who was who was it a menace in the first half against Leeds just a very tricky player Brentford were were so good in the first 25 minutes first 45 minutes honestly like if you if you if you haven't watched Brentford or you don't watch them on a weekly basis they they are very purposeful in everything that they do I felt when the game started they it was almost like long ball after long ball and and then at that that turned into just a sort of a mental game against Leeds to to to make the Leeds defense back pedal anytime Brentford were in possession and then you know listen Kevin Shade a player that like I said all over the that final third could not was it was really unplayable in that half and then the goal is a wonderful goal you know it's it's it's so I don't know if you'll ever score a goal like that ever again but he clearly meant to do what he was doing a fizz cross into the six yard box where he's standing and he just dips his toe he puts his toe points it to the ground and knows that it's going to spin off in a very unique way towards that back post and it did and it was a wonderful goal it was a well deserved Leeds for for Brentford why I thought were really good in that first 45 minutes how come they didn't win then they ran out of gas they pressed so hard honestly like they they were relentless in that first 45 minutes Leeds were chasing shadows that you could hear it in the at Ellen Road the crowds are just moaning and and really not impressed with what the team was doing once they had possession and they again the that central midfield for Brentford just completely dominated Leeds lead had no answer for but then again this is what happens when you're at home I'm sure the Leeds players were given a stern talking to they come out there in front of their home fans there's some substitutions in the midfield that Harry Wilson and Tanaka I thought were good additions in that central midfield because they had no control in the first half and they just had more energy Leeds and they you know I think it was a deserved draw but Brentford clearly the better team okay and you were impressed once a game with a sangara who was such a star last week he's very good he's very good I saw a clip the other day of Wayne Rooney talking about mama do sangara saying like how does a player like this not land with Manchester United the type of player that we're just talking about that that is the midfield player that man United probably needs and he was again excellent against Leeds United a left-footed tall lanky athletic central midfielder I love that profile so polished on the ball and he wins every second ball and he can really cover a lot of ground but he's also just very highly technical plays too touch so he was really good in that first half I think again in the second half they got a little bit overrun but still he was a top player one of the top performers on the day one of the top transfers to him for your ass go sit that one in I've written it down yeah okay keep telling people to watch League on League on they just don't listen there you go Wayne Rooney watch some French football Brentford were ahead Dominic haven't learned with the equalizer for Leeds Tom the other game Sunday at 2 o'clock was Sunderland Thullum sum this one up for us yeah not much to write home about Sunderland deserved victors and Sunderland haven't really changed since lassies and it's the same group of players it's the same coach they had won some assigning in the starting 11 the right back Tom Armonie and they play the same kind of football they press very aggressively Kwanachekir just runs the show when they have possession they're always looking for that ball into the feet of Brian Robby and yeah they had the best of pretty much the entire game but it took a couple of substitutions with about 25 minutes remaining to tip the game in their favor and as it turned out it was two of the players who came on Habib Diara and Wilson Isidore who combined for the winner Diara gets in down the right plays in a low cross and Brent Leno in goal for Fulum can have slightly curiously stretched for it with his feet rather than his gloved hands and he missed it and Isidore taps it in Fulum are interesting I didn't catch their game against Chelsea on Monday this was the first time I'd seen them and Alvaro Arbaloa is obviously trying to turn them into a very different kind of team this big possession focus the center backs go wide when they have possession the full backs take up really aggressive high positions on the flanks Josh King who scored against Chelsea was brilliant today in that number 10 role Sunday and I just couldn't get close to him but sadly it didn't really amount to much didn't have a single shot on target no shots on target obviously Gonzalo Garcia has come in from around the dredd he was also on target against Chelsea you know great to open his account on the opening day but they yeah they do look a little bit light in attack and yeah that's that's two defeats in two games that's all right that was Sunday's action next up let's get on to the other games your cities just spurs your Liverpools yeah up city with the win Friday night and a big one as well spurs yeah not so much on what was that game saturday the spurs game saturday wasn't it saturday tea time Liverpool was the lunchtime a game they were coming to that in a second but city first of all because unlike some teams like Chelsea they very much do donate possession 72% they had against palace and Ryan Cherokee who'd come on to rescue them in their opening game with a couple of assists started this one and finished with a plum a couple of brilliant goals at Tom and I were having quite a heated debate quite bitter it became actually about how good was physical yeah uh Ryan Cherokee's first goal was uh yeah what's the debate well all right just roll up please and get at it once again so I think it essentially boils down to this we both love the build up but Tom doesn't like toe-pokes yeah I mean basically the dribble is sensational but just before he shoots he Chris Richards I think it is tries to tackle him and kind of bumps him and kind of affects his stride pattern so he looks a little bit stumbling I didn't strike me that he was fully in control of of the ball at that point but he realizes that if he just poked his foot out he can just toe the ball into the bottom corner which he did around the other side of the play I just I I have an aversion to toe-pokes this is come which is my own thing that I have to live with and it was a great goal anyway what also I loved it but I didn't love the fact that he blanked poor Phil Foden who went up begging for a bit of approval for his assists and he just looked past him and then don't he said the other one look past him again anyway that's just Ryan Cherokee I guess he was doing some plastering was he was doing some stuff he was doing that I told you you should pick me and now I've scored I'm not going to celebrate because I'm in a bit of a mard still and to underline it he scored another worldie another nice another very good goal that was slightly deflected tough for a hard man to please Tom is a hard man there's no bigger Ryan Cherokee fun in this room may in this city than than I but I mean he was he was asked about the first goal and he was I shouldn't say Tom spent Saturday on match of Zade which is of course the French Premier League Roundup and it is called match of Zade and on that show naturally they were discussing Ryan Cherokee's performance and indeed had an interview with the great man himself in which he said yeah so this was the post-match interview that he gave after the game on Friday and I mean in a similar vein to what he told Sky Sports he told us it can our pluce that he he sensed that Moreska was thinking of taking him off potentially at half time or shortly after and so he said to him don't tell me off give me 10 minutes honestly and I'll I'll sort the game out and it took him nine minutes to score the he was there he's in his way in yeah all right fair enough what a what a player by the way in any cost city 35 million as part of Leon's fire no last season yeah yeah we only had one year left on his contract um but yeah I mean when you look at some of the prices being spent in this window that does does feel like a bit of a steal would you build your team around him because you kind of have to filly pay yeah I mean he's he's a wonderful player I mean he's won't scuffle players in the in the primary league and you know he I think he comes with some baggage clearly I'm sure he was thinking he kept pre-pie kept looking over at the touch line to make sure Moreska didn't like transform into Didier De Champ and it was just going to take him off the field and not play him but I of course would would build around around Cherokee I mean the thing is he is for some people he might be considered like a luxury player you know like is he the type of player that you you know can really excel in modern football he's proving that he that he can obviously but is he a 90 minute player is he a box-to-box player that's where this sport is going it's getting faster more vertical I think he has a bit of throwback number 10 qualities which is what I really love about about the player but I mean a great a great performance from him you know I think he's one of those reasons why I was watching that game I watched it closely and I'm like how do people again I what respect to Arsenal but the fact that like when I'm watching City the way that they play against Palace Palace not great but I don't know how you can just like hand over the primary league title to Arsenal I think City is going to be very good it was interesting after the game Enzo Moreska was asked about Cherokee's performance and the first thing he said was I was so impressed by all the work he did off the ball and that was the only thing he really wanted to talk about in relation to Cherokee and this is something that has been an issue which Cherokee throughout his career I spoke to someone who worked with him Leon about a year ago and they were saying that they basically realized that in order to allow Cherokee to play the kind of football he wants to play in his preferred number 10 position you basically need three other midfielders who are going to do the dog work and it took Pap Guardiola quite a long time last season to find a system that he was happy with it was basically the league cup final when they'd be Arsenal that he settled on a way of getting Cherokee into the into the starting eleventh Enzo Moreska is now at the start of that process himself and yeah clearly when you can get Cherokee on the pitch and when the opposition as feeble as Palace were he's capable of doing incredible things but there are still those caveats yeah Tom says feeble it's worth highlighting I mean they had 28% possession Palace 0.5 XG and one shot on target no I know it's City but that's not great if you first time game of the season it sounds like Chelsea stats but go on yeah it does yeah but I don't know you look at that team and you look at like Gain Lacroix with a seed senior defenders last year now it's Chris Richards and JD Canvo who's very good but he's 20 years old with Tommy Asu supporting them as center back instead of Matetta up front with Ishmaelisara in support is Jürgenstrand Larsen with Unketi are in support with Pina who's very sort of hit a miss and then they're losing Munoz at wingback you've got McNeil and Gesand as you're attacking bench options I just see I see issues everywhere Palace they've got full and away next week the two two of the pointless teams so far and they can both both really need with both could really do with the points at least can they all right let's talk about another pointless team currently the one at the opposite end of the table two man City and that is Spurs who last weekend of course lost that Brent for this time around they were at home lost to a Newcastle side who sold off three of their best players this summer Spurs by contrast been buying well a wealth a new side indeed for the team but to know they lose what's all about Spurs in a second because first of all what a start for Newcastle did any of us see this coming you saw this coming oh so this coming no sorry I thought you were going to say that any of us see this I yeah and I'd already put my hand up and then I heard the coming no I don't think any of us don't I don't think any of us saw this good but I think what we have seen from Newcastle and their first two games I also feel like it's perhaps suited them that they've played two big clubs in their first two fixtures Liverpool and Spurs you know teams who want the ball and who've come onto them because I think there is potential for Newcastle to become a really outstanding counter attacking team we saw that in the opening game against Liverpool with a man of the goals they scored and we saw that again against Tottenham on Saturday evening you know they have the players to just breeze through opposition teams very quickly and Sneal Angers made a great start to the season having gone an entirely campaign without finding them at last season. The Tyrion Rea has taken a fantastic point during the Tyrion Rea celebration at Spurs. Yeah and it was Nico Gonzalez making his Newcastle debut who was at the origin of the goal. Booms this lovely diagonal pass out to the right wing and our dead itch the new right back nods the ball down and then Elanga spins his marker curls the ball in and who did his marker happen to be Sandro Tanali who departs shortly afterwards with the Newcastle fans catcalls in his ears. Yeah I mean Newcastle only had two shots on target either one was the Yoann Whistler second goal Vultemod and Oxdana a corner and Whistler hooks it in acrobatically but you know that was all it that was all it took so yeah I mean I wonder what the Newcastle will be able to replicate this type of performance against opposition who who don't come onto them and attack them but I mean extremely encouraging when you think about the doom and gloom that there was around the club after the departures all you know so many key players. I'm quite a stark contrast. Very stark contrast for those two players Elanga and Vista their form in these opening two games against last season. Not only says a lot for the new guy but also a little bit for the last manager I think and just sort of you know adds to the impression which you know I thought he was sort of gone a bit stale there last season not just saying it now and I think it's sort of adds to the feeling that Newcastle fans had that his time had come and gone thanks but see you later because both those players were atrocious last season and you know we all said with your recruitment well maybe it was the management oh maybe all right spurs spurs Dublin's fair city says spurs look the better team until a Newcastle scored had quite a few chances to score in the game I think they will climb the table quickly huh I kind I'm taking issue slightly with the use of the word quickly Felipe did you see spurs Newcastle I watched it yeah yeah and I agree I think you know we're again we're talking offline it's it perhaps it's not as bad as it appears the problem is when you look at the table they're in they're they're in last place it's just it looks horrendous to start the table Felipe look at the table Tottenham is at the bottom but and also the fact that the way they lost this game it's more about how they lost the game you know two goals in 10 minutes is it tells you everything about how it can fall apart for a team like Tottenham and so again I think this is a snowball potential situation for Tottenham where like the bad vibes continue but the pieces are there you expect this team to get a lot better I think there's questions about deserving they're always questions about deserving about whether or not he is the right manager for a top club in England you know can his can his tactics come through in a long season can he can he keep a team in the Champions League spots I mean there's so many questions about Tottenham despite them showing quality at times against Newcastle and as you say there's the history the history of the Tottenham which you know weighs on this club full credit to the stadium PA pregame before this opening home match the season who decided to counter the bad vibes by watching on I don't know why I'm laughing but launching on this extraordinary soliloquy we've spent and we've spent we're back we're going places he boomed to the crowd there at the stadium we're huge I mean you can argue they might be going places and what places in any context we are huge we are huge well he does this all the time and there's a clip which yeah his clip which often does the rounds of an Arsenal game when Arsenal are going for the title and he's like they're nervous they're coming in we've got this lads and all this kind of stuff but you know I've he's been doing it for a few years and he really does whip the crowd he's really good at it he's it's like and he's obviously pre-prepared in passion speech right down the face of the camera it gets everyone going yes no that about that I think I think everyone I think the fans like him and it's but obviously he didn't lose a two-year twist and they lose at home every week yeah yeah well and on that there's been a stat going around which is not quite true but it's very nearly true the actual correct version of it is that they have lost 49 league games at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium when did they move to the Tottenham Hotspur stadium? 18-19 wasn't it? 49 games they've lost at home in the league that is only one fewer than Arsenal have lost at the Emirates Arsenal who moved into the Emirates 13 years before Spurs entered their new stadium yeah they're the gift that keeps on giving we have to point out Spurs fans will be will be shouting at their screen slash whatever they're listening or watching this on their headphones taking the headphones out shouting at them yeah putting them back in that's what they'll be doing and they'll be saying look guys we had tell left wing and poorer right wing this one this may never happen again this was a makeshift attack I would count to that and say I'd rather have seen Mikey Moore start or maybe Selankey in the middle and Marmouche on the left because it was just a very vertical attack everyone was vertically that either playing the ball vertically or dribbling you had Fernandes in the 10 he doesn't play there and I just I just wonder as a slight aside they spent all this money yeah I brought all this but does it deserve you not want to take what they had which wasn't bad add a few players and coach them I thought that was his whole thing he makes players better are they not just trying to change too much here I saw some small green shoots of recovery for Spurs and the first off in particular there were a couple of sequences where they were trying to build the play up from the back they managed to play their way through Newcastle's press and in four or five passes they got to the edge of the Newcastle box that is what deserving ball looks like we saw it at Brighton it took him time to coach that into his players at Brighton he will need that time at Tottenham and arguably even more time because he's got so many new players to work with who are unfamiliar to each other and unfamiliar with his football but I I think there is a you know there is a guiding like there are principles that he's trying to impart I suspect Tottenham will probably have a pretty wretched first half of the season but if Derby's given enough time I can see them at some point you know clicking and you know finishing mid-table or or maybe top-down I think you guess I think you get sacked honestly ready I think I don't I think everything that you're saying Tom is is spot on like the question is like what how much patience is there going to be for this coach for any manager at this point or under Tottenham that starts oh and two and has all these issues and all these players and all the money spent and the type of intricate tactics that has to have to work in order for his teams to play well I would not be surprised if he's one of the first managers to go and then Tottenham is going to have to figure it out of the probably throw anything emery support justino again and try to get him back highest paid manager in the world I think certainly in the Premier League I think the stat was in the world but oh moshling oh four says will it sorry villa have one more at Tottenham stadium than spurs over the last 12 months can't confirm that but it could be sounds true sounds true anyway spurs will be at forest next Saturday probably with new players as well although as Roberta de Zobie says you can't buy mentality you could coach it though I think kind of anyway that's a question for another day because we need to talk about livables clash with forest which happened Saturday lunch time so this is two two two draws in a row four livable but because andoni areola is there and he's such a mention he did have a slow start with Bournemouth but then it all came so very very good I was kind of feeling well maybe we just give in the benefit of the doubt leave livable for a month or two and then check back in and everything will be fine but tom I think you were saying to me no there are serious issues in this team that he can't get around with his coaching I mean we know why erola has got the job we saw what he did with Bournemouth if he can do what he did at Bournemouth at livable he will be a success and there's certainly a great desire I think at livable to see the sort of football that he was he was hired to to bring to Anfield but I think an issue they have is and we saw this against Newcastle on the opening weekend we saw this again against forest it's too easy to attack them it's too easy to get through them at field and get running at their defence you know forest opening goal yesterday big booming ball from Matt Cells and you know livable back for his expert and in fact the livable's defensive line as the ball is sailing through the air was all over the place Virgil van Dyke who should be the guy who's kind of you know showing his teammates what the line is it's kind of five yards in front of every other player and then spends the rest of the game doing his kind of endlessly backing off thing I think van Dyke I mean you know we've talked about his declining form quite a lot on the part but I think his I think that could be problematic for for what erola is trying to achieve because so much of it depends on having a defence that is comfortable playing in a high line I don't think van Dyke is comfortable playing that far from his goal anymore and I think there's the thing you know I get an impression that him kind of backing off retreating endlessly from attacking places because he's so afraid of being dribbled past he doesn't back himself anymore in the way he used to be able to to outpace every opposition forward that he might come up against and you're bedding in a brand new centre back alongside him in jahamijake so I think yeah I think that's an issue and yeah I mean it could make it a lot harder for erola to try and introduce the football he's trying to introduce because that that high line and that you know that very compact way of moving up and down the pitch together is is so key there were some positives of a pool Vick the Munoz was one of them came on against Newcastle won the penalty started against forest very bright ends up scoring in the equaliser from a lovely for a invert pass he was pretty lively as well so there are there are encouraging signs but defensively they're still big issues it feels a bit of a concern though if you have a player like that rescuing the team in the first two weeks he can't do that I imagine every week Tim sorry but will you have you have to you say they're easy to attack and the manager's got to take I know he's only new but he's got to take a share of the blame because they only got two defensive minor players on the pitch really you've got frimpong and kirkus two really attacking fullbacks you midfield two is sub-boss lion mechalister that doesn't exactly scream you know defensive stability gramboat was on the bench I'm not not sure why so it's fine spending 120 million on on French attackers but it's it's it's the it's the I don't know why I said French just I don't know but you know it's misplaced I think French fancy men yeah fancy dance like yeah what about selling Cody Gankpo to city does that make sense for Liverpool does it make sense for city fairly pay I'm sure who really on other as it's like what how does he get to go you know I mean it's it probably makes a lot of sense for city city is never been shy about just adding more quality to their side spending more money getting as many players as many good players as possible Gankpo is a very good player you sort of do wonder if isak and Gankpo were ever compatible at Liverpool perhaps now we know that now that we know the answer to that but yeah it's it will be a big move we'll I wonder we'll we're a team will put it in his in his ranking if it goes down but it is certainly newsworthy Gankpo did assist he's acting this game so I don't know it feels a curious move but I think one issue I mean I think you know Bradley Buckwellers coming in from PSG he can play on the right his preferred position is on the left Liverpool have just got too many players who want to play in that role and almost no one who's happy to play on the right you know Gankpo ends up playing there against forest and you know sets up the goal but you know that is not a position that that he will enjoy playing in so yeah I think you know I guess making sure that their opportunities for Rio and Gamoa is probably a big factor in this as well you've got superstar player coming in who plays in that role but as well you've got this monumental exciting teenager who's shown that he can perform at this level coming up as well so I guess you know there's just there's no need for a massive stoppiling of that particular kind of player all right fair enough a forest who scored twice of course I had the lead twice in this game let's see the second time had Lim de Lap playing a key role in this with a throw in as is the family tradition not a long one but a quick one who got the first goal for them oh that was in Doi with his first goal since the opening weekend of last season but we should we mentioned Victor Munoz scoring the equalizer for Anne Phil but that that was one of the goals of this weekend was it not remember he threw any spins and yeah nice very nice little spin and shot apparently only complete he didn't complete any of his five dribbles oh really uh shocking statistic well you look pretty you look pretty punchy yeah he's got something all right our weirds outrage as Andonia Raeola about the boards that are used to signal the egress and ingress of players to a Premier League pitch it's just a bit of a weird sort of analog type thing in a digital world where you know you you've got goal line technology you know that can measure things within like a millimeter and and semi automated offside among similar lines and you have to having to input substitutions one one by one into it so the way you put it is it like when you adjust the clock on your oven that you have to go through 24 hours to get all the way out you have to go we're at I believe it's something like that because it takes just take a while two three minutes to get I could do Raeola but anyway and they weren't they weren't working that was the problem that was some kind of fault I mean but as on as a side note great to have a brand new kind of controversy I can't imagine I'm sure they must have done at some point but like the the fourth officials board being like the issue being the main talking point I know it's had it's right and it continues in the sun and Graham Scott the athletics referee expert former referee himself is tweeted recently to say this this this basically the saga continues those breaking news he's looked into it he says I've got the quote here subs boards are not fit for purpose each number has to be entered manually and the only count up one at a time entry number 38 on its own could take several seconds and there are six numbers to plug in here but there's more there's more there's more since then Graham Scott has tweeted in the last hour oh my god and he says the rare rumbles on the Premier League is pointed out to me that clubs are responsible for inputting the numbers not the fourth official so why was the fourth official doing that yesterday and why did he rely on playing over there and put the numbers into the board and then give it to the fourth official so the Premier League via Graham Scott wow this could blow wide open guess we're going to have to keep an eye on board gate let's let's next catch up on oh I think I need two other games that are taking place so far this weekend stick around for those totally for but show European edition is out first thing on Tuesday we will be recording it ahead of that tomorrow afternoon fat Monday we'll have a sip stuff of blood here in the studio with horn castle and Williams sebs all excited because the return of the Bundesliga has happened and there's literally no way of knowing who's going to win that impossible that league scientists have tried to just become can't be done for me you can guess but why would you even try championship league draw that took place as well be loads of chat about all of that and transfer stuff yeah we had Raphael Hanukstein in last of Friday yeah and we recorded a special totally extra on a game which took place 25 years ago on Monday first of September do you know what that was Tim 25 years ago 2021 21st of September 2001 little game of Munich Sven Euren Erickson I was there it was five one or funf iron as I say but anyway yeah it was Sven and England's great day there in Bavaria and yeah we had a little look back at that with Raffer and Duncan it was great fun lovely stuff oh walls are second in the championship Tim there we go wait in an hour here we go it's the main business of the day yes how many how many rounds you in uh three maths three rounds okay yeah yeah oh chant on the top Nathan Jones chant Nathan Jones redemption arc yeah so there you go well all right we won't jinx it by saying too much about that but nice to see them they're potentially in line for what's West Ham Walls Tuesday night there's a lack of sort of Premier League or Champions League matches so if people want to dip into the championship to see Nuno under fire Nuno West Ham winless take on walls on Tuesday night then yeah I'd advise you to do so let's talk about something happier like how and they're amazing start to the season it's two straight wins now the latest one came Saturday after noon could you have Liam Miller's goal came off the bench and grabbed three points for the Tigers away at Coventry they are only the force promoted team in Premier League history to win their first two games can you name the other three I mean I don't know actually because the only one I've already done is this hull because they did it before but it's not I would have said Phil Brown's hull but no not Phil Brown's hull Mike Philan's hull Mike Philan's hull you know I forgot about the existence of Mike Philan's hull so I mean I'll explain it on me never yeah Constantine Solakis think thumbs up oh sorry I thought you were still reading comments no no the hull goalkeeper yeah yeah yeah you got you got you excellent Frank Lampod's commentary still waiting for their first point and their first goal they face man city next weekend aye aye aye aye aye aye oh one thing about this game it was commentary's first match back in the top flight in 25 years they were empty seats all over the place didn't people not know I have curious though I mean it's some of you so rarely see in a Premier League yeah I don't understand there they you know traditionally they've always fallen on a little bit short at the Watson Magiga the Rico Reno slash whatever it's called now and they've also had sort of stadium moves over the years and maybe a lot of fans are sort of left left the club in protest that previous ownership etc but so was the end of last season they were selling out week after week when they get promoted so I don't understand the comment the commentator on whatever I was watching on suggested it's because it's still the holiday season oh but I'm not sure about that you know so was that fair excuse there is apparently this quiet over ticket prices and like it like some kind of ticket sale or ticket exchange platform does a protest so I'm not I don't much it was a protest but there have been rumblings but I mean still after 25 years or anyway I think they know the reality I think they know Coventry City probably the fans know what this season is going to be like it's going to be a quick drop back to the championship I'm giving up on it yeah I don't think Frank Lampert I don't think Frank Lampert will ever have the success that he had as a player as a manager in this league it's just too difficult for him I mean that would be a very high bar he was such a successful player however I do note to your point that he in his last 19 games as a Premier League manager how many has he won I'll guess four four for Philippe one one it's great it is one in 19 but you know but their recruitment looks really bad you know they got I want to hear you from Forrest he's like their fourth choice striker they got Lowne Chihuahua from Burnley who was I thought really poor last season they got Ethan Pinnick from Brentford you know they're just signing cast off basically you look at Ipswich is exciting recruitment you look at what Sunland did last year you know Coventry have sort of way off that level Lampert Lampert Lampert said they just weren't attacking with the aggression they did last season but that just invites mid and low range Premier League teams just to have a low block against them you know okay early doors though let's see let's see Bournemouth drew one one with Everton how I mean it would be a question I guess Bournemouth must have been asking themselves ever since that game finished around five o'clock on Saturday because they were all over the Toffees and yet somehow James Tarkowski leapt up at the well in time edit on yeah that's a point I mean Bournemouth would largely in control throughout Everton were playing on the counter attack and then Bournemouth scored their goal from the counter attack shortly before half time really nicely worked goal comparable to the goal that they scored at Manchester City in the opening weekend and then it was Ryan playing the ball wide to Evan Eelson and this occasionally picked that annex Scott on the edge of the box and he drilled a shot bottom left and then Bournemouth went in control second half and kind of managed to shut the game down but didn't go on and get the second goal and weren't all that threatening themselves and then they basically there was a tangle and Everton corner there's a couple of players it was Marcus Tavineer and someone else who both went for the same ball, Bournemouth Tarkowski who momentarily transforms into like peak Dixie Dean and scores the sweetest little half-followy on the turn and yeah Everton snatch a point to remain unbeaten and yeah more frustration for the cherries. There you go Alex Scott with the other goal that might will be his final appearance for Bournemouth Chelsea maybe or this is right Tim in for him if Enzo Fernandez heads to Manchester City. I thought that the Enzo Fernandez deadline was missed but Enzo Fernandez Chelsea did the Chelsea deadline was missed but all right well I guess I guess there's a lot of things that could happen I'm not saying they should but they could happen between now and 11 o'clock on Tuesday evening a lot of things concerning Everton as well we'll see how everybody shapes up when they line up again in a week's time but that is the state of play on this Sunday with one game to go in match day two, Aastel's clash with Aston Villa which should be a lot of fun. Felipe what are you up to this week? Well I'm looking forward to Aston Villa Arsenal obviously as far as what I have to do this week I don't know yet Jim it's still it's still sort of a strange time I'm still I feel like I'm still in post-World Cup mode I still expect to be doing something related to to international football but it's been fun it's been good to to get back into the Prem and obviously I'm very excited about the Villa Arsenal game Charlie our producer Charlie is there you you reminded me that I was at the game last year okay at Villa Park when Emmy won DS scored in the 90 what 95th minute so I was there and that essentially solidified my fandom for Preston Villa so yeah Villa Villa till I die I guess it's the new is my new catchphrase all right excellent and it is a good catchphrase as well and you're not concerned about the absolutely rubbish start that they made last week yes I'm very I'm very concerned yes I'm very concerned and I'm concerned with the timing of this game now they've made several signings the signings in a matter of days the number of signs that Aston Villa has made it and pretty I don't know if the word is impressive because you yourself to wait to see like who's who all these players gonna fit in like I'm very excited about Ibrahim and by yeah I think he's a very good player young player they do they need those types of players in in in in the squad I'm not that excited about Nicholas Jackson could potentially lead in the line against Arsenal but you know when I am Marie has something that other managers do and it's he has a formula for beating Arsenal that sometimes he finds and I think that's what Villa fans are probably hoping happens okay we'll find out all Monday evening super I hope you enjoyed the game Philly Bay I hope you're a Villa fan for many many years to come as well Tim thank you for being with us look forward to catching up with you again soon and to you Mr Williams I'll see you in the Euro Show Monday I'll be with you should you care to listen or watch that one on Tuesday but that's it for tonight's show thanks so much if you sent in comments on our live YouTube comments section but however you join us our appreciation we'll be with you soon again soon on the totally football show for now from all of us here it is goodbye