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Hi, hello, and welcome to your favorite average of good podcast call, which you want. I'm Jimmy Conrad alongside Charlie Davies and Tony Miola, and it is a very special day. The first roster post-World Cup from Marisa Pochettino has been dropped, and we're going to get into that some topics, though, that we're going to get into. It's a 28-man roster, mixing some fresh faces with some familiar ones. What can we learn from this roster? We'll get into that. 13 uncapped players are in the mix, including the name everyone's talking about, Kevin Sullivan. After 543 days in the International Wilderness, Eunice Musa is back in the fold, and there are 13 World Cup holdovers, but some big names are missing. Christian Pulisic, following Balagand West and McKinney and Tim Wea among them. We're going to get into all of it. We appreciate you hanging out with us today. Let's get into the roster first, because I think if we get into any other chit chat, we're going to get lost in all of this. Here are the 28 names, goalkeepers going first, Chris Brady, Matt Frees, Diego Cochin, Ryan Schwachy, defenders, there's 10 of them. Everyone's favorite, including Chuck's, George Campbell, Serginio Des, Alex Freeman, Peyton Miller, Neil Pierre, Chris Richards, Anthony Robinson, Miles Robinson, Austin Trussi, and Frankie Westfield. Philadelphia Union represent midfielders, Tyler Adams, Matisse Albert, Sebastian Burhalter, Xavier Goso, Adrian Mometti, Eunice Musa Brooklyn, Reigns, Geo Reinhardt, Malik Tillman, and our 5 forwards, Cole Campbell, Justin Ellis, Julian Hall, Ricardo Peppie, and Kevin Sullivan. In our 4 words, Chuck coming to you on this, there's 5 of them, 4 of them are uncapped, Campbell Ellis, Hall and Sullivan, Ricardo Peppie, the only one with caps and goals for the US men's national team. How are you feeling about the 4? Usually we start with the back and go forward, we're going to go the opposite way this time. How are you feeling about these 5 strikers? I think this roster is exciting, is what I think about when I'm looking at this. Obviously, Flaren Balagin's not here because he's been injured. Outside of that, yeah, I mean, what more could you want? I mean, Christian Policik was injured just getting back into it. I mean, he just got his first minutes, the past, you know, a couple of what, 10 days. So for me, this is a good balance. I like the mixture when we're talking about youth and some of the guys that have been there for a while. So we're talking about coming into a group where the standard has been set. Mauricio Pogetino knows what this environment needs and he's got the right players in his mind that are going to groom this next generation of players coming into the team. And so the competition's going to be there and who wants to, you know, have that first impression be strong enough that the next couple of camps there, they're getting called in based off of performances now, but also potential. All right. So, so, Tone, is your initial reactions on this roster? Are you happy with the goalkeepers? Yeah. I think when I sent mine to Dez, Shwaki was the one guy that I had on that roster. I actually had him ahead of calling in Matt Freeze because I didn't know what they would do with Matt Freeze. I thought they'd go a little bit younger, but yeah, I mean, these are the guys I think we wanted to see. I don't think there's any real surprises on here. I think the only other one I would throw in because he's just coming off of injury and I would wonder if he was fully fit, would have been Weston, right? In this roster and how he treated Weston. But yeah, like the guys that got left off from the World Cup, is there is there any real surprise in their outside of, you know, Baligan, but, you know, he's got the injury? I don't think so. I think we're pretty close and there's some young, exciting players in here that we've got to get to, you know, as this camp progresses and get a better feel of maybe projecting what their national team future will look like, right? Because we know that every, every young kid that does well at the club level and maybe even goes on to Europe to do well at their clubs, doesn't necessarily mean you're a national team player, right? So what they look like in the international game, but I'm with Chuck Jimmy. I like the roster. I'm excited about some of these guys. I think we nailed it over the last couple of weeks on pretty much everyone. There isn't a name on here that that one of us didn't have in their, in their list, right? So yeah, I'm excited about this group. Yeah, I concur, big tones. We are very smart and handsome, like always, and this just confirms it once again. I'm throwing that one in. I'm throwing that one in. No, but I agree, ultimately, with both of you, I think it's a nice mix of young and old and some of the comments as well. I'll take a look at the defenders. George Campbell, he had one cap for, he played against Vennas Waila in a January camp early on was a 2025 and he had an interview recently where he kind of said he was hoping as he kind of got established in West Brom that he maybe we could have got no a couple camps before the World Cup didn't happen, but he said four years is a long time paraphrasing here. Four years is a long time and he hoped that he can elevate his game to be someone that they consider for 2030. So I like seeing him come in. Obviously, getting the captain's arm band going into new environment, new club, being an American and getting the captain's arm band for, for a foreign club is a big deal. We have a couple guys doing that this year and I think he's got good presence and obviously we need to freshen up our backline. So bring George Campbell and Sergina Dez, not a big surprise. Freeman going to see him back in as good Chris Richards, Anthony Robinson, Miles Robinson is a bit of a surprise. I don't think he's necessarily been crushing it for FC Cincinnati. So yeah, that was a little bit. I thought maybe there was another younger player or two we could have brought in there. Peyton Miller excited to see him. Neil Pierre obviously absolutely been fantastic for the Philadelphia Union. Since he came back from Lingby and Denmark, which he helped them get promoted to the first division. He's played 10 games for the Philadelphia Union, eight wins, two draws. The guys absolutely crushing it. No losses there. Frankie Westfield, they're excited to see him getting the full. He was one that was kind of maybe outside. I thought on the fringes. An awesome trusty. Obviously another player that was part of our woke up roster. The midfielders and I guess here, let me say like this before we kind of get into the names. I started to put like an 11 together and this is more of an overview. We don't have to get into it. But but when you start that first game, we got four games, which is you really unique for a window here, Chuck. Do you go kind of heavy with the veterans first to kind of set the tone or do you kind of have a mix right away when I was trying to list out the names and like, well, who would you give these to kind of first start to? We got Peru on September 26th. Chile three days later. So you know, you're going to probably rotate the squad there. Then you got Mexico in October 3rd and Canada in October 6th. And so I was kind of trying to think, okay, these 28 players, if you've got some drizzled veterans, let's say Chris Richards, we'll use them as an example. You're not going to roll now for all four games. So which games do you use him for? Do you save him for Canada, Mexico? Do you let him do Peru, Chile? I'm kind of just curious about that kind of overview of how much you put your kid on the staff are going to roll into that. Yeah, I was going to say, can I throw this at you as well? Well, both of you actually at what stage do you say, I'm going to go with the guys who are performing the best in this camp or overtrainings and go who's the who's the most sharp, but also who's performing maybe because we all know there are some guys who train better than than they actually then they actually perform and we know some guys that don't train that well, but show up for game like, you know, the gamers. Yeah. You know, for me, if I'm looking at this, Chris Richards is is your captain coming into this. I think he's the guy that you're you're saying, hey, he's the obviously the best of the bunch in the back. He's the the guy that you're building around in terms of the centerbacks and if you're playing a back three, which I think we saw this team thrive in that type of formation given the wingbacks with Dustin and anti Robinson as you're you're starting right and left and Freeman is that right center back because remember how he was so able to shift as a right back at times. He's he's his intelligence allows them to play in that formation and then trustee, I think he delivered in the in the world cup showed you a little bit of a glimpse of what he can do. So being that left center back in the back three, for me, that's a great foundation. Now, right. For me, you're not going to just go, all right, let's go with Adam's Musa Reina Tillman Peppy. You know, you're you're most experienced in in this camp. Right. I'm going with form and maybe some of these younger guys, if you're saying, Hey, Mehmeti just has looked the part and has bought. Why not throw throw him out there? Uh, Gozo, another guy, interesting. If these guys are showing their quality Matisse Albert, see if he's out there dicing guys up and showing that he's ready, I was so impressed tones with Justin Ellis yesterday. Oh, yeah, he was. I don't know if you heard our commentary. Holy yeah. You know, I was thinking, man, this kid is, it's even better than than than I thought. You know, like his movement is dribbling ability. His is his passing range phenomenal. So then we all know what Kevin Sullivan has done and with with NMS is he, do you do you think he gets a start or two in this camp? Do you think he has to prove himself in training? So I'm curious what you guys think in tone. So let me hop in really quick because then I'm going to throw it to you. There is there is a world based on this roster where you could have freezing goal, which I think he needs a game to forget about the last one for us. He got Freeman Richards and trusty. So you could have that back three all world cup guys. Destiny Jedi can be your wing backs. We'll cup guys. You could go Adams and Berhalter, we'll cup guys, Geo and Tillman and Peppy up top. So you could have of starting the 11 of all, we'll cup guys. And so I'm thinking from there, it's almost like how do you reverse engineer and who do you take out and then insert the Campbell could come in for trusty. For instance, Musa could come in for Berhalter. You could put Kevin Sullivan for Geo or Tillman if you wanted and gozo and for desks and you know, you could have Peyton Miller and for Jedi. I mean, there's just a lot of different things you could do, but I thought if we started from there, maybe we could strip it back and kind of I'm just kind of curious where your thoughts are and what do you think we're so much team is going to do. Just looking at this, I would not be surprised if we saw game one in three. So Peru, Mexico, you see sort of a similar team and then game two and four because Jimmy, look at it. 26th and 29th, you said, right? So you only got two days rest in between. Like you're going to make and yeah, you're going to make a completely different team in there. So now you're now you got to see guys again, you're going to see them in game three and a game, but actually between game three and four is the same thing, right? It's two days rest. You play October 3rd, you rest the fourth and the fifth and then you play the sixth. You're not playing the same guys again. I think I think we might get into some kind of sort of rotation where game one in three and then game and by the way, I could also see after game three, taking some of those older veterans that have been around and sending them back to their club a little bit early, right? And sending them home a little bit early. And who knows what Pochettino's thinking. I'm just throwing out ideas, but you could you could absolutely see that happening. Yeah, I'm curious before before we go for it, of the four goalkeepers. Who do you want to see the most? So I think you got to play three of these guys in a game. I think we see Matt freeze for what Jimmy said, right? You got to get the I don't know whatever the monkey off your back or whatever term you want to use from the last game, right? So get that off you back. We got to see coaching. We know Chris Brady, but I think if you if you think he's part of your future, you've got to you got to give him a game in this, right? He was your third goalkeeper come theoretically comes in the camp being your number two guy, right? In fear. So you got to give him a chip, but we got to see coach and play. I mean, I'm I'm dying to see coaching because I want to see him play. Couldn't go to the 20 world cup. Couldn't go to the Olympics. So you're thinking all these big moments, we don't get him. He's being bars bars as big goalie, right? Now he and then he'd be the back up for the first team. So he's on the bench. Now you got him in camp. I want to see what this is. I'm with you, man. I'm with you. No, no doubt. He's not he's not going to be having been at Barcelona, even though didn't play in games, but he's been in the atmosphere. Thankfully, he's he's not going to be in all of any of this, right? Especially this time. And I don't think any of us are going to judge coaching on, you know, his first moments in the national team, but you got to see him play. And then the, you know, I don't, Shwaki's a guy that, you know, he's most shutouts in the league right now in MLS. He's been really good at him on my list. And I don't know that he plays. I think he's a guy you're just coming to see what he looks like in a national team camp and set up and all that. But yeah, I'm with you. Chuck three of these guys for me have to get a game. Jimmy Tim Ream. Are you surprised? He's not in. Are you? Is he think he's done? Do you think he still gets a job? He's done. Yeah. Yeah. He's done. The only reason I'm surprised he's not in is because there was a game in St. Louis. And there was a lot of charity. Yeah, give him a send off game because that's where he is from. So, so there would have been a sentimental choice there. And don't you think that can happen in the future? Jim, I don't know, but maybe St. Louis, don't you think they'll do something for him? And he, I mean, he's not playing, but I mean, everyone knows the situation. It's not, they'll do something, right? Aftime or. Yeah, but does that mean like, hey, it is, it is done for you. You know, because he's not coming out saying. Yeah, I mean, I think he probably got that after the last World Cup, Chuck in 2022, just given the image. Yeah, but do you think at this stage, it is now we will not see him on the pitch again for. Yes, that's correct. I believe that we need to give these minutes, in particular, at this first camp out of a, in a World Cup cycle, these minutes need to be going to, to players that we need to see and, and to evaluate whether they're a good fit. I'm very curious to see if, if you put like Chris Richards in the middle of two relatively first timers. I know George Campbell. Do you want to see the most in this camp, Jim, as a center back? I actually want to see Neil Pierre. From a defensive perspective, I think the kid has been tremendous for Philadelphia Union. He scored four goals in his first eight games. He just like, dunks on set pieces. I think he's got room to grow, obviously. Not necessarily physically, because he's already 6.7, but, but in terms of his game and, and there was a, he, for his manager at Lingby, he just said, yeah, he's, he's got tremendous presence, ultimately, again, paraphrasing what he said. Super athlete, but, but better with his feet than he, than he thought, and, and has a bright future. He just needs to play, which I thought was the biggest takeaway from, from that feedback from the Lingby coach. He just needs to play. If you don't play him, then he might not be able to grow at the rate that he should be, and really insightful, a feedback there. So I want to see what he looks like. You know, taking that step up, playing next to Chris Richards, probably a player he looks up to, and how he fits, like, so for instance, if he's got Jedi on, let's say he does a left center back and Chris is in the middle, playing in that 10-ream spot, you know, what does it look like with his, like, how quickly can he adapt to it? And then what's that rapport look like with the players around him? So that, that, I mean, that goes for every player, but for Neil Pierre in particular, I just think his upside is, is tremendous. And if we do end up losing no key banks to, to Germany, reportedly, no key banks is going to accept a cop to the U21 German team. So, so we'll keep it eye on that. But, um, yeah, if we lose out on a, a no key banks, then, then, you know, starting to blood Neil Pierre and getting some good reps, I think would be good. I'm excited to see him, uh, in particular as a center back. And then obviously, um, who's another player? Audrey Mometti is another one that I'd like to see kind of line up next to Tyler. And, what does that look like? Uh, in some capacity that the future is so right. It's so exciting. So that's kind of where I'm here, man. No England. No, no, we're going to be a solid man. Well, what do you see? What it's been like, Chuck? Yeah. So getting to call all of his games this year, watching him the first three or four games. I was hyper critical on him because he looked to play the safe ball. And we all know how I feel about the safe ball at, you know, and especially if it's a negative safe ball. So I was urging him, hey, he's got to play forward. He has great anticipation. He wins second ball. He's, he's actually a good, a good tackleer. But when you win possession, how quick can you get it forward? How quick can you find the attacking players? And for me, that's where he's grown the most. He's not afraid now to play between the lines. He's not afraid to break lines with his passing. He's not afraid to play long switches. He's got an accurate passing ability, but he had to just trust himself to say, you know what? I can make these passes. I don't have to play the safe pass. And now that's what's elevated him to get this call because he covers so much ground. He's a tough tackle. He's a smart player and he has good technique. He can dribble also out of pressure, not to the ability of Eunice Musa, but he can dribble out of pressure too. He's comfortable on the ball. That is something that is needed, right within our midfield group. Players who can one dribble out of pressure if they need to, but two, then play those balls that can break down back line. So I'm excited to see what he looks like. Is he at the level already? Because we've seen him at the under 20 of the Olympic team. He feels like, hey, I'm one of those guys that I bring security to the team. So let's see if he can do that at this highest level. Yeah, I think making the move from the Houston Dynamo to the Ravs and playing from Marco Meachovich who he played with the youth national teams. Super smart. Obviously, he was trusted and looks very comfortable. And as you said, continuing to grow and look better. Yeah, I'm a big fan of anybody that's looking to find the split passes, right? Anytime you can split a defense going forward, it just shifts the defense in a way that opens up space for your teammates and for your team overall moving forward. And that's what passed. Hey, it also pays. We talk about pace on our team. We need to pace. Payton Miller, Matisse Albert, these guys can fly. They're quick. I'm excited to see what that looks like because remember how we don't we don't have see Timothy way in this group, which I think is also, um, yeah, we're going to get into to that. That's a that is a one of those. Oh, that's that's where we are today. I mean, there's not a spot for him. So Chuck, if you're talking about desks and you're talking about, yeah, okay, Freeman, they, they must not see a real place for him moving forward. If that's the position he's going to be in, by the way, he's he's been captaining Marseille. It's not like he's not an impactful, influential player in his club. But I think this just comes down to a positional situation. Okay, before I throw it back to our resident number nine, uh, tones, let's pretend Chuck isn't here for a second. Who would you want to see up top? Because I assume Ricardo Pepe starts game one based on on the logic that I think is probably what puts you know, we'll do moving forward. One in three will be kind of more familiar guys and games two and four will be more of the younger guys. So if, if it's not Ricardo Pepe, who do you think's going to be the guy up top for us? Cole Campbell, Justin Ellis, Julian Hall, Kevin Sullivan, I guess, I think it's going to ultimately be what Chuck's saying. Who's the sharpest and who looks the best in camp? But who do you want to see the most? Yeah, well, I was going to say you asked Chuck earlier, who you want to, who you're interested in seeing. I'm interested in seeing where Julian Hall fits in at the national team level, right? Because he's not, he's not your typical number nine, right? He's not clearly not a tall big, but his movement is really good in and around the box. I wonder, I don't always want to bring in the physical part of the game, but when you're playing against two massive centerbacks, if you're playing England, right? In a, in a World Cup game, or just even a friendly like, what does it look like with him in that position? Or is he better a little bit, a little bit deeper in one of those other, I'm guessing they brought him in here because when you look, you've got Albert, Peppie and Hall. And I think Mateus Albert is listed as a midfielder, right? Like a straight midfielder in his roster if I'm not mistaken. I'm interested to see where he fits in. What's that? I said, he's more of a winger. Yeah, I have a central player. I put my guys in at three, four, two, one, and I have him as one of the two, right? Like that's going to be able to roam a little bit. But yeah, like, if we're, if we're light, I guess, in one position, although Justin Ellis, who plays wide in, in Orlando City, has said openly that he doesn't really like that position. I actually asked the manager, Martín Peralman before the game. We had our interview with him. And I didn't realize that Justin Ellis had had publicly said that that's not wasn't his favorite position. And I asked Martín Peralman, hey, where's Justin Ellis's favorite, you know, our best position? And his answer to me was where we're playing him. Oh, so, but I didn't realize the story before. I had no idea. I was just asking you a question because I'd seen him playing and playing a couple spots. So Justin Ellis can play in that spot too, but that was the answer where we're playing him. And I thought, okay, I didn't think anything of it. I just didn't want to answer the question. Okay, no problem. But anyway, yes, so those are some of the guys I'm interested in. But I don't say that one for you. Yeah, Matt Turner is 32. You you've been on the the older side before and still been involved in the World Cups and cycles. Is he done in your eyes, like with Puchatino, at least with his staff? Because, you know, they're they're third in the Eastern Conference. They're goals against. He hasn't conceded that much. He's been he's been spot on in MLS. But do you think they're just saying, hey, we're we're only interested in the next generation at this point. If we're being if we're being fair to all the goalkeepers, Matt Turner's been better than Matt Freeze this season. Yeah, so far. Does the age play into it? Yeah, is he done? I don't know that you can be done with with guys this early in the cycle because at 36 as a goalkeeper, you could still and with World Cup experience, you could still be part of the team. I would have called in these guys. If you were going to bring a younger guy in just to see him, I would have brought the kid fairy from from San Diego. But these are the guys I would have called in. I think you had to call Matt Freeze in because of what we talked about. But Diego coaching, I don't know about Chris Brady. If he's the future of the national team, I still think in the end, once Lonina gets figured out where he's going to play after a couple of years, he's going to have a say. But yeah, I don't chuck the answers. No, I wouldn't give up on him. Why would you not in that position? If you're telling me about a forward, that might be a different story, right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but but it is it is like it's one of those eye catching, you know, for me, if you're looking at this roster, yeah, for an in a mission, you're looking at this roster, you're going, okay, we have to build towards, you know, the next World Cup, 2030. But I need guys who have good experience are great, you know, locker room guys, but are going to push whether it's the next generation, but also you're not going to take away from the group. 32 for a goalkeeper, you're you're still you're good. We've seen keepers phenomenal at 40, you know, like Bosinia, you know, we're looking at keepers who are a peaking later now in their their career in their in their late 30s. So for me, if this guy, Matt Turner's phenomenal in MLS, are we saying, you know, it's Puchatino saying, Hey, I don't really care. I've seen what I need to see, or is he saying, Hey, we'll get to that road, maybe closer to when we start to get in like real competition and we'll assess, but I want to see what Shwaki coach and if Brady can continue to improve. I want to see coaching is if you ask me one guy and goal I want to see, I want to see Diego coaching play. Period. Yeah, especially now that he has a rhythm in first team football. No, it's going to be interesting to see how these lineups get rolled out by Mauricio Puchatino. All right, we're going to take our first break when we come back. We'll get into some more of the omissions. We started with Matt Turner. We got a couple more that we'll talk about right after this. All right, welcome back into the show. I'm kind of a Dino. Alongside, check, Jason, Chuck, and big tones. And we're going to talk about some big name omissions. Now there were quite a few players from the World Cup roster in 2026, not called into this camp. We talked about one of them, Matt Turner, briefly talked about Tim Webb, Mark McKenzie, Tim Riem, Max Arvston, Joe Scally, Weston McKinney, Christian Roldon, Christian Poulosick, Alex and Dejas, Brennan-Arenson, Haji Wright, Fuller and Baligan are the names missing from this roster that we just saw a couple months ago, but two months ago, wait on the World Cup. It just felt like it just happened yesterday, but it also felt like a long time ago. All right, so a couple of names I'd add to this list. No Johnny Cardoso would be an omission for me, no Tanner Testman. And then from a younger perspective, I was really surprised I had to see Nico Chicares. I thought that he maybe it's a hell thing that he's not really fit enough to come into this camp and compete at the highest level because he's coming off an injury, but I think he's looked super sharp for that. He produced his death. He said, Aiden Morris, Max Arvston, you know, he's throwing out these medals, bro, guys. What do you think? Yeah, I mean, Sebastian Berholtz, I got called in, Aiden Morris didn't. Maybe this was probably not a good sign for him. I guess that's kind of what you're talking about before checking before the break. Like, what should the players that are not called in? How should they read into this? And maybe what's the rationale behind these particular decisions? Brent Narensen, that's another one, right? He's been playing that primarily because as Paus just said, I know what he can do. I'm ready for something else. You know, like, I need to see something else. Yeah. Where do you sit with Aiden Morris, tones? I think Aiden Morris is a really good player. And I would not have been surprised if he's in this camp. I also think Aiden Morris is a victim of numbers in the middle of the field. When I did this roster, when we had to do this, it's the position I struggled with the most, not because there weren't available players. I struggled with centerbacks because there just weren't a ton of available players. But I struggled with this one the most because I'm like, who do you leave out in at what time? And where like Sebastian Berhalter, I think, during Mauricio Pochettino's four years, unless Sebastian Berhalter's hurt, he's going to be in camp all the time. He's a Mauricio Pochettino guy, right? And that's clear. Tyler Adams, I feel the same way. Then you start adding a West of the McKinney in. And before you know it, you're like, okay, well, how many of these guys could I bring in? Right? How many, how many, if you're going to play with two in that position in most formations, only have two in the middle of the field, unless you go to a four, three, three, and you got one point man, then the numbers get really scary. And you're throwing in these new young up and coming talented players that you're saying, well, we haven't seen them yet at this level. They're going to get the nod if Aiden Morris isn't going to ever top Tyler Adams, which he's not. He's never going to top a Western McKinney that his level is not at that, at that, you know, level first or ceiling isn't at that level. Yeah. Yeah. That's my point is, I think he's a really good player. And again, I think we'll see him in a national team camp somewhere down the road. I just, it's going to be hard to break into because you're still not talking about you, Jim, you mentioned testman. You mentioned Cardoso. Like Johnny Cardoso was pretty good yesterday, right? And I didn't see the game, but all reports are that he played really, really well. Like you're missing guys that are playing. Tanner, Tanner Testament to me is a surprise in this roster, just like you agree. But then you do, we all said we wanted to see Mehmeti, right? So we got Mehmeti. We said it for weeks. We wanted to see him. Eunice Musa, we said, you know, Chuck, I think you said Tuesday, like you've got to bring him in. Yeah. It's a no brainer. He's no brainer. Okay. He starts old. You start doing math. And then like somebody's got to stay out, you know, so Brooklyn reigns in their eyes. As well as he's played, he gets the nod over these guys, Testament, Aiden Morris. And I think for Puchotino, he's saying, I've seen Aiden Morris. I know what he's capable of. Right. I was sealing. I've seen Testament. I know his ceiling. I know what he's capable of. I want to see Brooklyn reigns now. This is a young player who's got some quality moments with the youth national team. It is more important for me to get these younger guys in and see what I think their ceiling is, what their potential is and how they fit into my system in this group versus going with what I've already seen. I've already seen them. I've already tested them. It's time to get some of the up and coming guys, which I am 100% for. I agree with you. I'm with you on that. And I'm hyped about this. You know, when we get these rosters, you're saying, ah, kind of same old. I would have liked to see some new names or at least this one player deserved it didn't get. I'm hyped about this roster. Are you guys both feeling it like she cares? Yeah. The only young guy I didn't get Jimmy. Yeah. Like he's the only young player that isn't on this. And I'm going to write it off to he's just coming back and let him do his thing and we'll see you down the road, right? But he's the only young guy that I think like I'm missing out of this roster. Every other young player that's done well, we're pretty much getting in this roster. Yeah. Which is exciting. This actually a good sign, Jim, that if you don't make the World Cup team or you feel like you've been slated, you know, Unis Musa made the wrong decision moving to a club like at the Lanta and Lone didn't play. And he went from being Mauricio Pochidino's first guy in this camp like his first camp. Hey, talking about Unis Musa, what a player he is, to not even make in the World Cup, right? And at the end, now he's being called back in in the first opportunity in this new cycle for any player out there. For Matt Turner, for, you know, Tanner Tesspin, you know, these guys who you're like in Morse, you feel like, hey, what the hell? It's not done. There could still be an opportunity for you, which is a great sign for guys. There's no grudges, right? If you, if you feel whether it's a player or Mauricio Pochidino's side, there's no grudges. You perform, you can get the opportunity to come back in. No, I could, I could speak to that firsthand. When Bob Bradley took over in 2007, the national team. I was in the team with Dakota America with you, Chuck. And then after that, I didn't get called in for 18 months. Yeah, I got ghosted for 18 months. And I thought that my career was done. And it was my national team career was done. And in some ways, that was freeing. Like I wasn't, the pressure was off in a different way. And then I started to play a lot better. And then, and then because I started to play a lot better, I got called back in again. And, and, and I hope this fall five for 2010. I did. I was there. I was there in Honduras. I was part of the team and, and yeah. And so, yeah, I didn't end up making the roster still, still in my feelings about that, but that's how life goes. So I think what's interesting too, and I agree with you. I am hyped about this roster. There's 13 uncapped players in this camp. And, and two additional ones that only have one camp. Caps, excuse me. Chris Brady got it before the World Cup. And then George Campbell got one. So really 15 relatively untested players. I know Chris Brady was part of the World Cup roster. We got Diego coach and Shwaki, Peyton Miller, Neil Pierre, Frankie Westfield, Matisse Albert, Xavier Goso, Audrey Mavetti, Brooklyn Reigns, Cole Campbell, Justin Ellis, Julian Hall, Julian Hall, and Kevin Sullivan. Now, Kevin Sullivan, if he comes in place, will be set to become the second youngest player to play for the USman's national team. Freddie and Doe will still have that record. He was 16 years old and 243 days. That is pretty remarkable. And so, so I'm excited to your point. And I think this is a smart move, especially this early in the World Cup cycle of, and we talked about it before. I think of the tagging fish. You get these kids in. You see what they're about. See who has to your point before Chuck, like the ceiling and what you were saying before, tones as well. How do they fit in? What's their potential? We've seen the ceilings of other players. We know what they're about. Let's get a really good feeling. It's one thing to watch them play for their clubs. But if we get them into camp, especially an extended camp, we get four games, get a really good idea of what their profile is, right? In person in that moment, and then what we think they can be in a couple of years. And so that for me is really exciting and to have this opportunity to bring in this many guys, that it's not a January camp where people dismiss it, even maybe the players dismiss it, the coaches dismiss it, whatever it may be. As a proper camp, got a nice mix of young and old plants and get some good opponents. I prune Chile, you're going to kick the shit out of you. What are you going to do about it, right? Mexico is going to be probably the hardest game of the four. Canada could be even harder, right? Jesse's in charge over there, and he likes to make sure he sticks it to us at all times. So these are really good challenges, I think, for this group of players, especially our younger players. And so, I guess, what's the omission then leading off of that? Tones, I'll come to you. What's the omission that maybe is the most surprising to you of mixing the woke up players I called them to camp, because I was actually kind of surprised to see Mark McKenzie. Maybe Zandejas would have been one that I thought could get back into the fold and maybe get a look. What were you? So I was trying to figure out which ones were kind of aged out, right? Like, and I'm talking like full cycle and Reem falls into that. I think Christian Roldon falls into that. Zandejas is 28, right? So being 32, but the way that he plays, I don't know that, I don't know that four years down the road, we're going to see a difference in Zandejas than what we see now. And then with all his young potential in that position, I think it becomes a problem. I'll leave them on the list for now. Testament, as I said, was probably the biggest surprise. I don't know what the dynamic is there. I don't know who knows what happens behind closed doors. Arsten, because he was such a favorite for Pocetino, you know, after the gold cup, you know, through the gold cup, after the gold cup, making the world cup roster playing, you know, and so I would have thought that he would have been a little bit more of a constant with him. But other than that, I'm not surprised. The one, the concerning one, I think, is Timothy Wea, right? And where he feels about him, because Chuck said it, you know, he's in a position right now. He's doing well. He's captaining Marseille, but I think maybe the the World Cup left maybe a little sour taste for Pocetino in the way that that turned out. I mean, those are the guys that come to mind. Johnny Cardoso, I don't know. I said this before the World Cup. He ended up getting hurt, right, before the World Cup. But as we were leading into it, we were at least I was, we got a guy playing at Athleti in the middle of the field, and we're not calling him in. Like, I don't know, I don't want to speculate, but in my brain immediately goes to there's something missing there in the relationship. I don't know. What else could it be? Like the kids play one of the biggest clubs in the world and Champions League and semi finals or quarter finals, whatever it was, the Arsenal last year and watching him get this start and like, I'm like, Jolo Simioni's trusting him in these moments and he can't get into our team at all, you know, like, and again, he got hurt in the end and had decided to get the operation, which ended it all, but I don't know, man. Okay, I know it's one game back from the surgery, but playing at Athleti. I mean, they started him there. So he's ready to play, you know, now. So, I don't know. Those are some of the names, Jimmy, but I love this roster, man. I was trying to go, maybe you guys would know better. I was trying to go, have we ever had this many young players in camp that were actually full-time starters at their teams? Like playing 90 minutes and playing, I don't care where you're playing. I don't care. You're playing 90 minutes. When you're young, it really doesn't matter where you're playing in this city, right? Like, I can't remember us even being close to this, Chuck. No, not even close, but it's one thing to be playing 90 minutes. These guys, Justin Ellis has nine assists this season. He's, he's born. 11, 11, 11 now, 11 in all comps, yeah. In all comps. But nine and, and I'm less, you got, Kevin Sullivan, killing it, Peyton Miller, killing it, Mehmeti, killing it leads the team in interceptions, the tackles. So these young players are not only playing and they have a high potential, but they're important to their team's success. And to your point, tones, there's 13 of them. I mean, Jimmy had to drop off. He was so hyped. He was so excited. I'm so excited. You're right, tones up. Let me hop off. It is, it is phenomenal. That's why I'm so hyped tones is because we got young players who have earned their callups and have earned the chance to get, take a, get a look by Puchotino. I watched, I watched Columbus because I was calling the game last night. They played Red Bull. My, I got attracted to watching Mehmeti. I was supposed to be watching Columbus and scouting them and seeing them for the open cup game last night. I watched Mehmeti the whole game like his movement where he goes. I was like, I kept having to tell myself, dude, you're not, you're not talking about Mehmeti tomorrow night. You're talking about Columbus, but I swear to you, man, I was, I just loved the way he gets around the field, man. But yeah, this is, this is a nice group of players. They're not all going to be national team players in the end for me. The only guy who's not playing that would have been his gozo, right? Because, you know, he'd be playing every match in MLS with RSL, but now since he moved to Crystal Palaces, he's, he's not getting that much time. So that's probably the one player you're going. All right, he's not informed because he's not, he's not playing. Hey, hey, really quick. I kind of wanted to get you guys's thoughts on the foundational stuff. So, so I'll use Neil Pierre as an example. He was born in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He joined the Philadelphia Union Academy. He went through MLS Next Pro. He was MLS Next Pro defender of the year. You know, he, he went and trained with a couple clubs over in Europe, then had that opportunity to go to Lingby and, and, and Denmark and help them get promoted, right? Got had these experiences, comes back and now he's absolutely flourishing and, and thriving with the Philadelphia Union. So why do you think he promoted and left? I think that was always a short-term loan and, and from what I've seen and read from the manager in particular, they were just here to help him develop to see where he was to get him out of that, yeah, maybe get him out of his comfort zone a little bit and now he came back and he even he has said in interviews that that was a very important experience for him. Again, I'm paraphrasing because it allowed him to kind of see what the game looks like somewhere else, right? I went to Leck Pozenon on loan and that was similar to me. Like, I, my second year in the league, I go over there after our season and I just got a lot tougher, a lot tougher and a less naive in terms of how the games played tactically a little bit more, a little sharper, I think, in my decision making and not, I don't know, keep thinking a couple steps ahead and ultimately, it helped me a lot and I definitely became a better player because of that experience and having to prove yourself every day, right? They don't think Americans can play, so it always helps. I think that's still probably true of behind the scenes, even though we're still breaking through glass ceilings, all that. But I did want to kind of give a, like, how important do you think? Because there's quite a few MLS teenagers coming through in this camp and how important you think the whole infrastructure. Now that, that, this can include USL as well, but just the infrastructure that we are creating underneath now, MLS, and now that we have, I just feel like Neil Pierre is a good example. Maybe he would have been found out anyway, right? We would have had him over in Europe a little bit earlier. When tones like back in your day, you had to get over to Europe because it really wasn't anywhere to play, no MLS. Oh, here we go back to the, the, the infrastructure in foundation. You, the, you soccer, are we producing talent? The Stone Age is missing talent. No, no, no, but I just think this is, he's a really good example of, of, of how exciting that we actually have that. Now, of course, we need to strengthen it in a lot of different areas because there might be 20 Neil Pierre's that we're missing out on, right? There's that part of the conversation as well. But, but I did want to say that I was like, as I started to do a little bit more and looking through his, his background, I thought that was pretty cool. And so I think that's a, that's a positive sign of where this game's going. Now, if you can even get more efficient and more aligned, imagine how many more of these players that we could produce, you know, because they're all out there. We know, we know for sure that they're out there. I don't know who wants to jump in on this, but I did want to end this part of the subject. 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