Football Social Daily at 2,000: Legal Battles, Super League Fury & Audio Economics

For the 2000th time, hello and welcome to Football Social Daily, an award-winning Premier League podcast. Yes, we have reached 2000 episodes, a milestone for us, and thank you to every single one of you who has listened, whether this is your first episode, whether this is your 100th, maybe you're one of those select few that has listened to all 2000 shows. We couldn't do it without you. My name is Nile McCorn, joined by Marley Anderson, and Joel Tudor, and Lads, we've done it. We've reached 2000 episodes. I can't quite believe what I'm saying. That's quite a few in it. Quite a few, that's 2000. I wonder how many we've been on individually. We can't be asking back in crunching the numbers to be honest, because there's so many. We've got a few caps individually. You would think that after 2000 episodes would all be on a beach in the Bahamas, retired, but here we are in Manchester still. I wish. I was just trying to work out how many hours of our lives we've dedicated to doing this podcast, but if we start in silly light, over six months of our lives have been spent talking about Premier League football. If that were to do that anyway, so if it was part of the job, I'll just think in drawing it was, it's five, six years span. So actually, Joel, the anniversary of the podcast starting was yesterday, the 5th of August, 2019. So yeah, we've been doing it for seven years. It's our seven years anniversary. I just wanted to say just of all the big events that have happened in between, but they're all like marriage, Marley, births, Marley, like dues, Marley. So what you're saying is Marley's the only one who's actually grown up and become an adult in the rest of us, me and you, just carried on as global, just at the dark as like one of the other. Yeah, I've abandoned football to do darts. You've decided to just sack off being in the UK entirely and fuck off to some other part of the world. So yeah, Joel is to stay true to his roots. Yeah, true that I can't, I can't escape. I'd love to. I'd love to go to Buenos Aires and, well, not Buenos Aires, because Argentina is a shit all, and we all hear Argentina, but Chile and Bolivia and all those places. I'd even take a little visit to Hilda time or Fingaldingen or wherever Nile goes to watch a bunch of fat bloks, shock errors every, every couple of weeks, even there next week, Joel. So it's just me and you next week for episode 2001 and 2002. See that's a lot and so on. That's a lot. I'm actually in Kormor next week. I'm staying in Kormor. So let's take it all back to 2019 because you'd think Marley after doing this podcast from the very beginning, we'd know the start date and the anniversary. I only told you what it was and that it was the 5th of August before we started recording this episode purely because I saw it on social media memories pop up. A picture of me and you in the studio in Manchester when we first started it. It does feel like a lifetime ago and we had a different name even back then, didn't we? Yeah, we did. Yeah, back in back in the time where Jim over, or made an oversight and decided to call it Premier League daily and then we got a nasty email of the Premier League saying, please stop this. I will sue you into oblivion. But yeah, there we are. I kind of wish we were called to be different. I'm not a big fan of football social daily, but it is what it is. We can't change it now. We're too far down the road to changing. And we've spoken about this on FSD extra time. Haven't we, which is our bonus content show, which we'll be bringing back for this season. If you're interested, the link is in the description. You'll get bonus content every single week. You'll also be able to listen to every episode of the pod ad free. But I'm with you. I dislike the football social daily name. It's just kind of stuck over the years. And if we changed it, we'd have to pretty much make so many changes behind the scenes that I don't think we could facilitate. But I think it highlights the kind of podcast we are and some of the stuff that we've been talking about over the years, Joel, that within the first two weeks of starting the podcast up, the Premier League threatened to sue us as Marley said. I could kind of set a precedent for what the pod would become. Start as we mean to go on, Michael. Yeah, you know what? I still remember the very first episode that I was on, like so vividly, I could paint the room if I was a good drawer, but I'm shit. And I was so nervous because let's not forget, when I came in, I'd never known or did anything to do with podcasting or radio. And I get shifted into this radio room, professional room. If anyone's ever seen one, it's intimidating for someone who's never been in. And when I used to like do shows whenever, like, now I wasn't in or manage a show for a podcast coming in that I had to run. And you get so many people with mic fright. Only in hindsight do I realize how big that is. Where you have a microphone in front of you. And I wasn't even thinking of the content I was saying, I was thinking, people are going to judge me now for what I'm about to say about football. And I don't like it. And then four years later, it's like, if you don't like it, fuck off. You don't really care anymore. It's so, I can definitely say through the podcast, confidence has grown so much into as a communication because before, even when we weren't even getting recorded, I could feel my cheeks go red and I was thinking, oh, I need to think of every word I'm saying and how the delivery is. But now you boys maybe feel so welcome when I first came in into the little studio. And I was like, I remember, you guys were talking, when was it 2021? So we were in a banter era of man United at that point. I wanted to discuss later on the periods of time in football we've had to address. But in 2021, was that the end of Ollie Gunas Olszka around that time. And I remember you boys talking about it. And I was just in the back of the room watching and in my mind, I was like, I need to get on. I need to get on and talk. I need to bag my corner for my club. But I just didn't have the confidence to say anything. Was it just me laughing off and out of it? Because you've gone through the line. I was like, who's this gimp call? Marley constantly gifting out my club all the time. And then you see me, then you see me and shut yourself. Cause I'm very intimidated looking. So yeah, you have to keep them out of clothes until now where I can say what I want. You're right, though, Joel, a radio studio for anyone that hasn't been in does look a little bit like a spaceship with all of the faders and the buttons and the lights. One button and you're on live on air. Yeah, I know. Which is the thing I couldn't get my head around. It was so intimidating. On smooth FM as well, like I've probably arguably the biggest, well, one of the very biggest traditions in the country. I know you just, you just, you just say, you just say, a luth of Androsity, just there was like, fucking, are we going to solve guys shite? And that's exactly what I'm doing. Yes, we used to share. So for those people that don't know, we used to share an office with the smooth radio and we used to borrow one of their studios, which as Joel rightly says, if you press one button, you are going live on air to a million people, the listenership of smooth, it's the biggest station in the northwest of England. A million people listen to it. And can you imagine pressing the wrong button and that pressure of making sure that you get it right? Because otherwise, a million people that are expecting luth of Andros, like you said, Joel, we're going to listen to us talking about Chris Wildery in a fucking sandwich. Jackson reincarnated a birdly. Michael Jackson being the manager of birdly, not the actual Michael Jackson they were expecting to hear from. Thinking back to those days, actually, the early days in the smooth radio studio. At this point, I just want to say quickly, thank you to all of the people that have ever contributed to the podcast. There are too many people to thank. All of the journalists we've had on, all of the ex pros, people that have given up their time that we used to work in the office with just to share their opinion, people like Steve McNaughton, etc. One of those such people was a guy called Phil Hudson, who was also a new castle fan, much like you, Marley. And the day that Raffa Benitez left Newcastle, and we know how much Newcastle fans love Raffa Benitez. We were live on air recording the pod as the news dropped. And I have never heard someone's heart break in football terms live on air before in the way that Phil Hudson's heart snapped into when he heard the news that Raffa Benitez had left Newcastle united. It was one of those moments where I remember it really clearly. Well, Phil's heart's been threatening to break for a little while now. But yeah, he's pretty sure to be used to it to be phased. He's a little bit older than me. He lived through the Keegan era in a different way when we sat in the first time in the Bobby Robson and all the rest of it. But yeah, I don't know why I wasn't on that. I think we had more of a rote room more people on that day in those times. So I wasn't in the office, but yeah, Big Phil wasn't. He was not happy with Raffa getting getting the sack. At that point, he essentially got to remember back in 2019, 2020. He was pretty much the everything that held Newcastle together. It was essentially him running the entire club because actually was slowly strangling him of funds and he was essentially giving him only enough for up to hang himself really. And once he went, it was like, right, we've got no that sort of trap doors open now. We could fall as low as we did in back to the championship and not come back. Luckily, the Saudi save does after four years of my worst parts of the podcast where Steve Bruce is in charge. Well, the pod how it looks now with this line up myself, you and Joel, it wasn't always that way. I mean, I'm thinking back across the likes of Phil Jim, of course, who was a big part of the podcast in the early years. Got Steve McNaughton who I've just mentioned before Liverpool fan. You know, we've had so many different people and I'm forgetting loads of them. But we've landed on on this line up. It's just felt like over the last few years, we've landed on a really nice dynamic between the three of us. And I just want to say thanks to you boys for keeping the pod enjoyable. There have been times and me and Marley were speaking about this the other day in your absence, Joel. Football does drain you. And I think it's important that even though you talk about the serious stuff, which feels like all we've spoken about over the last couple of seasons, that we do have a bit of fun along the way. And we have had some fun. And this sounds like we're closing the podcast down. We're not, but we're just reminiscing over the last 2000 episode. Yeah, no, it's really good point to be honest. Too much of anything in life is draining. It doesn't matter what it is. And too much of something always is a bit too much. I want you to add as well, especially for you to you boys are well known in South America because I I've flaunted the podcast out there to the point where even locals were listening to yous on their phones, their little knock years, you know, the flip phones like genuinely. So we're well known out there. I was just trying to think of through this the five years, what were some really defining moments that we had to cover both good and bad and even funny because the ones at the top of my head and it wasn't prepared for this one was when the queen died. And we had to go black out in the UK. And everything was very, you know, lower tone and subjean on the podcast. And I remember that week something big and football happened, but we had to report on it in such a way where it was almost like we were attending a funeral. And credit to you now you had to do really well in terms of fitting with the the guidelines of the radio and podcasting and that kind of thing. I don't know what was actually called. It's like a crisis get off con kind of guidelines or something like that. A code for it. Yeah. But that was back in the day when we weren't self independent. We weren't autonomous. Yeah, we weren't independent in the way we are now. We were under the umbrella of a parent company. And so they had to adhere to the guidelines and so did we. But weirdly on that, I actually had to announce the queen's death on MUTV because there was a game that night at Old Trafford that I was commentating on. And it was against rail sausage dad in the group stages of the Europa League. I'll never forget it. Manchester United lost one nil, by the way, through it was a a hamble penalty or something. It shouldn't have been a hamble. It was really harsh. It was blasted. I think it was blasted at Lazandro Martinez from close range or someone like that. Can't remember. Off its top of my head. It definitely wasn't, Marley, but you know, we're staying in the FSD spirit here. I was the only one on air that night. There was no intro titles. The production team, the punditry team, everyone was stood down out of respect for the queen passing away. And I had to announce on MUTV that the queen was dead. And it was just one of the weirdest things I've ever had to do. That day, Wes Brown was there, and Dion Dublin was there. And Dion Dublin, one of the pundits for the game on MUTV that particular night, the producer turned the TV on and can't really say his name anymore, but Hugh Edwards announced that the queen was dead and then the national anthem started playing on the TV. And the flag at Buckingham Palace was lowered to half-master. And Dion Dublin stood up and sang the national anthem at full volume. It was such a surreal moment. I loved Dion, and I just think that shows his passionate, human beard for whatever he does. I thought it was brilliant. I thought it was brilliant. I mean, not all of us joined in. I mean, we don't have to lizzies all of our grandmothers, so I understand that. I remember my local golf club put in their flag to half-master. Us thinking, guys, you know, I respect it for my god, the country just went into a bit of a mayhem, didn't it? Also, another one was that I think it was a really good topic that we all had to cover was the super league outbreak. Yeah, that was massive. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen in football during my time a new story that was so prominent on every single platform, not even just platforming government. I mean, it was such a huge topic that just reverberated around sports in general and set a precedent for, well, I mean, I know you guys thought it's about the infancy, you know, trying to sell off the World Cup, which I wish I was there for, because I've got stronger opinions on that. But if that, like that, 2.0, in the sense of we were only talking about the super league, as you said, in some of the episodes this week. I think that shows how deep an impact that story has had over the years and how serious it was at the time. I remember we were all absolutely fuming with it, and it's, you know, football is a tribal sport anyway, but particularly in this country with the amount of teams and the depth of our pyramid, but I think every single football fan, the country over, and arguably even the overseas Premier League fans, were all in agreeance that this super league proposal was wrong, and it was weird to see rival fans coming together. Huge story at the time. Yeah, mega. It was nice to see everyone just, that's the common enemy, like you're spurs, it was like the crimson, the bloods on that picture, you know, when they're holding like a blue and a red scarf together. It's like everywhere, all 20. At the crimson, the bloods. Yeah, all 20 of the Premier League holding hands going, this is shit, you can't, well, sorry, not all 20, but all 16 of the, no, all 40. Yeah, all 40 of them going, they're the bastards, get them, and then, yeah, that's, yeah, it's just, I'm glad we, I'm glad we all came together and stomped that one out. And I can say that in the pod the other day, all their tweets are still there, all the tweets saying, we are, we are back in a proposal to join the European Super League, because you can't delete them once they're there, because everyone knows they're there, so you might as well keep them there. So yeah, never let that won't be forgotten when you're looking back at how football is not quite what you think it is at times. Yeah, yeah. And I was just thinking of some other standouts, I just jotted a few down to jog the memories, Bert in a way. Oh, anyone is a long time listener, I believe that was about three years ago, Nile plugged some tickets in the pompier way, and for us three, I don't, Molly, do you, I think Molly can, I don't do it myself. No, you can't fucking remember it that well, I wasn't there. You're on the beverage now. No, it was, that was fantastic, like genuinely, fantastic. If anyone is a, a little listener of what like three plus years, we did voice notes while we're in the ground before and after, and it was just, it was chaos, it was absolutely chaos, we all, it was, you know, if anyone's seen the safe standing that hasn't got, it's not safe standing because there's no rails, so it's on the surface. So you're going to someone scores, you're going down like a bunch of bowling pins, hopefully you manage to stay up. God, that was such a good experience that I loved it. In the depths of birthing, in heart of winter, night time midweek gave, it just, just pinnacle of football, English football in the lower leagues that. Yeah, that was good, really enjoyed that. Other things that have happened, I mean, you spoke about Marley getting married and starting a family, you didn't mention him falling over on the work night out in Cardiff and smashing his chin. Did that happen? Molly's blood, Molly's blood still staying on the concrete in Cardiff. Cardiff will forever be in Cardiff. Yeah, we know. Oh, yeah, we also have going number one in Uzbekistan. Yes, that was a great moment in our history ahead of the Gary Neville podcast, which I mean, it's got a lot more backing and a lot more faces in England than ours. Yeah, Uzbekistan, Chalazar, Uzbekis, we couldn't do it without you. Because that was a moment when that's a real claim to fame that I think I used that as an icebreaker in a hostel one time, you know, they have to pass them a mic around and I was in Huakachina in Peru and they were like, just give us an unknown fat and there was a really good looking girl next to me and I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to go for it. I was like, yeah, I said to me, my colleagues and number one in Uzbekistan in podcast, you look to me when, what, really? I was like, yeah, anyway, nice to meet you, my name's Joel and then I'll just add a nice little conversation, but yeah, Uzbekistan, great times, we're owed a trip there. Let's contact the tourism board and get us over. Well, at the other end of the skill, we've got never been listening to in Esra Tini. So that can be public enemy number two, because Argentina is always public enemy number one, but we have got listens in Argentina. So it is what it is. I've just checked. We've had one listen, one download in Argentina this month. Have we? Hey, it's about 30 days. One down like UK listener that was in the foreklings or something. That will be, and I can't say that Joel, don't open that can of worms. That will be, that will be an angry person off the back of our tiktok reel that went viral a few months ago, about a month ago now, when we played our Argentina and people were furious that, yeah, England went out. So they probably downloaded it, left a one star review and Colt is all sort of lovely Spanish insults. One of the hard things when you're doing this podcast is being aware that your opinion might get cooked online. You might get roasted by some people, but that's what being a football fan is. You make suggestions, you pass opinions on things and they don't always come true. Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't fervor Brandon, who used to work on this show made a crazy prediction a few years ago that Sheffield United would finish in the top 10 of the Premier League. And we all laughed at him. We said that is a ridiculous suggestion. And lo and behold, they did. They finished in the top 10. I don't think even fervor believed that when he made that prediction. But sometimes the stuff we say comes true. I remember one you made, Marley, about Sean Dietch would be the perfect Everton manager. Yeah. This was years ago. And eventually he became the Everton manager. Yeah. Okay, it didn't work out, but he got the job. So, you know, there have been as many good predictions as bad ones. I mean, probably actually that's unfair. More bad ones. But, you know, it's um, you know, sometimes sometimes we know what we're talking about. Wait, I just want to button. When it comes to rival fans, Marley's nearly got this podcast cancelled more times than I can believe. Oh yeah. Oh my god. He hates Boris. He hates Boris. He hates Sunderland. Norwich as well for some reason, fucking hate you. No, because you remember when first brought out the premium and everything, sorry, it was getting like five or thousands of impressions. And then Marley really took advantage at nailing every fan base and nearly got the podcast tanked. Hey, look, stuff, stuff doesn't go viral whenever it's nice. When it's good points that we make, I put that out all the time. Like, was I being genuine, like, raising good points about certain things? It never goes viral. You go, you go after a certain club and yeah, no, it does. And people get the next in a twist and all sorts, but yeah, it's um, it's about the fun. It's about the fun. Right, Lads, I have found a bank of audio that still exists on our recording software that I haven't tapped into for well over a year. And I'm hoping maybe that it jolks your memory of some stories and some of the things that we've spoken about on the podcast over the years. I don't know whether you'll be able to hear this, but I'm going to hit play on this first one. Oh, my boy, can I get to choose that? Yeah, it makes me sad that the world cups over dirt off now. We can't play too much of that because otherwise we'll get, yeah, we'll get a copy right. You know what, I'd be a privilege of ours to get copyrighted by Kenan's label. Do we get to meet him in court? I hope so, I'll stand. You guys don't need to go. Bring your flag with it. These two sound effects will probably either give you fond memories or PTSD. Yeah, the FSD. Bring it back. Bring it back. Also, everyone forgets that we had a different theme intro. Yeah, we did. And this music that we use at the moment was made by Owen, a former colleague of ours. So big up Owen is banned still life. You can check out on Instagram as well, playing gigs around the Northwest. Well, the whole of the UK, do you know what? I just understand that one of the things about Owen making our theme is that way back in probably about 2019 now, I was listening to, oh, maybe 2020, I was listening to a slightly dodgy stream of a new castle match and it cut to the adverts at halftime. And one of the, it was from an American, it might be CBS or something. And this noise started playing, I think I was playing PlayStation at the time. So I looked up and I heard this noise. I was like, that's a fucking FSD music, the old one with the drums and the sort of epic sounding one. And it was on, it was our music on a Mercedes sprinter van commercial. And I was like, oh, shit. And I thought, um, Mercedes probably haven't nicked it. We've probably just like, took it and stock music, isn't it? Yeah, it was totally free music. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, I mean, we haven't obviously got exclusivity to it because, um, but yeah, Mercedes have rocked up and been digging in the same bins as we have. Well, that meant that. You know, who will be in that next season now? Not only one person in here. I know which one it is. I remember what we also got into the Champions League. Marley, we played this every day of that on the week, every week. Yes. Every episode of that week on the phone. Absolutely. The Champions league night is all traffic. Do you know what, Joel? You'll never hear that. You'll never hear that theme again because we've got a new theme now. And you've never been in the Champions League while the new theme. Yeah. So the new theme is new. You're going to love the Champions League this year, mate. It's a new, it's a big league format now. It's all changed. You play eight games instead of instead of six. So you sometimes, you sometimes don't have to watch or none of dropping one against Gallaudet Astorai and Coppani. You know what I'm saying? James is part not becoming a transformer and fucking off our new castle. Eight and others, a car boot sale at Saint James's next week. Louis Hall's up for sale for 65 million, if you want him. There's only one piece of audio to play, Joel, when you two are going at each other like this. That is actually you, Joel. Is it me? Yeah. Don't you remember? You recorded that and I edited it. That's what I was buffed for that. That's a good attempt. Let's get ready to rumble. That is actually your voice that I've edited. Yeah. Get me out of the way. That's a good attempt for me. That's pretty good. Yeah. Well, I mean, you're taking all the credit even though I fucking made you sound that way, but don't worry about it. Look up. Now this as well, much like the Champions League theme song was played regularly. So is this. I can't remember why. I can't remember why the undertaker music was played. We used to use it all the time on the pod, but I can't remember what it was for. I can't remember it was for. It brings no bells at all. Ironically. I remember we added that. There was a joke about something to do with the undertaker, but I can't remember what it was. I was in not like the brothers of destruction, but who were we talking about? I can't remember. But it's rather a Nathaniel Chalibur, isn't it? If you know what that was from, please comment because we don't. We've done too many episodes. Every 50, 50 or tight decision got against us. And if that's what we're going to have to deal with between Nanny and the season, we're going to deal with, but I'm not going to go go under under the radar, not saying if it had been to seed referee. 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Because I reckon out of the 2000 episodes we've done, probably about 1200. You'd mentioned Brett Pittman at some point. So well done for abstaining. And hopefully this isn't a relapsed into Brett Pittman times where we're going to rip it. I'm going to have to talk about it again. Yeah, after this part, I'm going to have to watch a video of him scoring all of those goals. But it is funny because when it's your team, it means that a little bit more, doesn't it? And that's not to denigrate anything that any of the guests that we've had on have done. Jeremy from his from his house in Cameroon as well. Oh, great. Jeremy, correct story of that. Yo, I think you can tell the story now. It's been a few years. I think we're going away with it. He's not listening. Yeah, I hope. Anyway, we're getting closed down. But yeah, I remember because we were, the, I mean, we nearly got Stelio, Sianna Copoulos on. I'm still waiting on him to come on. He said he's not ready to speak. And that was two years ago. So when are you? When are you ready to speak? I remember logging into the Instagram. I mean, you'd message Ancelos Carista. And I was like, fucking, is this what we're going for now? The Greek team in 2004. Just want to speak to one guy from the O 40. And there's someone in the telegram who's Greek. Because when I mentioned Greece, O 40, always says, thank you to all for always bringing us up. Because, you know, that's the only thing we're known for. Apart from our olives and our fatter. But yeah, Jeremy, I just, I don't know. You randomly came to mind. We didn't discuss a fee because we had a, like just a typical fee of a hundred pounds that they can donate to charity. I think he was assuming that he was going to get big books. So we didn't discuss it. And he was like, yeah, I'm free. No problem. He gave everything, he gave everything like he was playing in a Champions League game for Chelsea. He gave us such good little stories and anecdotes about drug burn when merino is in charge. Because obviously he was part of that O 405 team, amazing Chelsea team. And then after he did the, the, the, the episode, he DMed and he was like, so what about payment? And I said, yeah, our flat rate is a hundred pounds. And he went, wait, is that it? And then I said, yeah, can I, can I give you an invoice? He never responded again. So I think he thought he was getting. That's why his energy was immense in that episode. I was thinking this guy's, this guy's talking like he's got a rent to pay clearly. Well, he's about to get paid for his rent. Well, most of the episodes we did over Zoom, speaking to ex pros, Jeremy's still waiting for his underquid, which he was supposed to give to charity anyway, which most of the other players did. In fact, all of them did. You know, we had a few in the studio. I think we had wears, made a manure came on and was really candid. And he was great. Yeah. Up to Newcastle for Pascal Chimpon there as well. Yeah, exactly. We managed to track down Pascal Chimpon. You paid, you bought him an apple juice. I did. Cost me two pound eight. Fuck, you know, absolutely rip off. That was, but say, yeah, he enjoyed it. So happy days. But yeah, we nearly got on the subjective, like, ex players and stuff. We nearly got not be Salano, which I would have been absolutely delighted about that. It's almost like me, my version of your Brit Pitman almost, but probably my version of Brit Pitman's Alan Chira. But he's a, he's a pipe dream. Anyway, nearly got not be Salano, got in touch because he was doing a talk in Newcastle or something. I can have to do this thing. Talk to the guy who was a journalist in, in the middle of it, basically acting as his agent, said, can, can not be coming, come on the podcast will, will happy to pay a fee and the fee was a hundred pound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not because he's not, he's interested. It'll be, it'll be a flat rate of a thousand pound, plus trains and accommodation. And I'm like, it's an hour on Zoom. I'm happy to give him a hundred quid for an hour's work. Like, that's all right. And then I was once at that, unbelievably, it broke down. And it was the, the agent who is still very well known and still, he's not an agent, he's a journalist. If you know who covers Newcastle, it was a journalist, like in the journalistic circles. It, it was him trying to make himself five hundred quid and give not be the other five hundred quid, which I thought was a little bit scummy, but it is what it is. Yeah, we could sit here for another 25 minutes and talk about all of the guests that we've had on. But I think that will do us for this special 2000th episode, reminiscing about some of the things we've spoken about across those 2000 episodes. And we're going to put this episode out completely raw and uncut. We're going to put it out as it is, as it was recorded. Normally, I do a bit of editing, make it all nice and tidy, but as a special 2000th edition of the... You just can't be bothered, can you? No, first of all, can't be bothered. And second of all, that's exactly what people get on FSD extra time. Conversations like this. And it's candid. So I've got an excuse, Marley. And if you are interested in supporting the podcast because we always say this, we couldn't do this without you, not just because you're great listeners to our podcast that come from all corners of the world. And it really does blow us away. That we do have people in us, Becca Stan, and all over the world listening to the pod. The world is tough at the minute. And we've put a lot of time, effort, and energy, as we say, quite a large chunk of our lives over the last seven years, into the pod. And with the way that the world is at the moment and the financial climate, difficult to carry on doing it at the rate we want to do it. 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