Anatomy of Dysfunction: Carrington's Youth Crisis & Spurs' £300M Financial Mirage

This is the award-winning Premier League podcast for all social daily and on today's show we are talking about pushy parents, I'm not talking about Marley Anderson, I'm talking about the father of J.J. Gabriel, the Manchester United wonder kid, only 15 years of age, hasn't yet played for the first team, apparently that's not good enough. Our kids these days, getting a little bit too big for their boots to talk about that, will also discuss the fact that Tottenham Hotspur have done something that certainly the fans have forgotten, and that score a goal still didn't result in victory for them, though did it against Liverpool in the Carabell Cup as we run the rule over the midweek cup fixtures involving Premier League teams. Welcome to the show, my name's Nile, joining me is Marley Anderson and now is your chance to confirm or deny whether you are a pushy parent, not yet, but I'll probably not as bad as J.J. Gabriel's dad, but maybe that's a mark out, it's been sort of drawing in the sand that I won't go near, but I'll be trying to get Harry into academies and pushing him to be a new couple of fan who scores goals and stuff like, like he's old man, but yeah we'll see, I'll be driving him around the Northwest playing football when he's, when he's old and often looking forward to it to be honest, I'm happy to do that, but I'll draw the line to driving him home if he doesn't get the number nine, or something like that, or maybe I won't, who knows? Do you know one thing, and I know you've already done getting the C with Joel this week, but one thing that does frustrate me is, if you ever played five aside or six aside with a group of lads and you kind of had a debrief after the game, maybe you've gone to the par board, just had a chat together after the match, and there's always someone in the group who's offered absolutely nothing during the game who's been like, oh, we should have pressed from the front, or you know, maybe we should have, you know, boxed them into the corner or or stood off them and they had the ball, like talking bollocks basically when it comes to tactics, and I'm just thinking, what are you on about? What are you talking about? Just play the game and enjoy the game, and I feel like that with kids when kids are playing football. I hope I'm not one of those dads, and I'll try really hard not to be when the time comes that I eventually have children, where I'm worried about is my son or daughter pressing? Are they doing the right things tactically, you know, just let them run around and get a fucking ball. Yeah, it's, I mean, football up until sort of 10 is just fun, and it's just vibes, just have fun with your mates. I was remember being probably, I don't know, six, seven, eight, nine, and a football match at that age looks like a massive royal rumble in the middle of the pitch. The ball is in the middle, there's 12 kids around it, all kicking it an inch, and it's clattering into everyone's shins and whatever, and eventually it breaks to someone and they run away and score, like that is football at that point. Now you see Barcelona is a La Masia academy and whatever, and it's like eight-year-olds getting hyped as like the new big thing, and you look at their highlights and they're brilliant, they're unbelievable, but also it's not quite, it's not a football at that age is it, it's kind of like, right, now we know that the next talent in Barcelona's La Masia academy, and he's eight years old and he's called Zavi whatever, and you're like, fuck, God, now if he doesn't live up to the hype, you're going to see press pieces in 15 years and whatever happened to this Barcelona wonder kid, because nothing gets forgotten now, so it's a different world these days, very different world from growing up in the night, he's compared to growing up now in the age of social media and pushy parents and player power and all the rest of it. Well this is a combination of the two things, pushy parents and player power that we're about to talk about on today's FSD, because JJ Gabriel's only 15. Now Cobbie Manu was the last player I watched closely at Manu United and thought he's got a real chance of breaking through to the first team. The one before that was Hannibal Mejbri and I thought maybe he had a chance and he did play a few games, this lad however, and Joel made a really sound point when talking about this in the group chat, gives me real pool pogby vibes and I don't mean about the way he plays, but in terms of what happened 15 years ago when pool pogby was a youngster at Manu United, tearing it up in the academy, didn't really get given much of a chance under Ferguson and went on his merry way. Should he have stayed at Manu United, I think he probably should have done, that's not to say he didn't have a good career after leaving because he went to Juventus and had some influential moments. But this smacks very much like the pool pogby situation from all those years ago, this is a lad who's not done anything in the game and now all of a sudden has handed in a transfer request because he's not getting first team football. Just like I said in the intro, getting too big for his boots, isn't he? Or is he being badly advised? I think judging by what the sort of rumour is and I say rumour is in everybody saying the same thing is that his dad is the one in the driving seat and his dad's pushing and pushing. And it all seems a culmination of what football is now, you know, read in the articles coming out that the final straw, to even call it, the final straw was when Shay Lacey and Harry Amass were on the bench for Manu United against Sabah. Last week in the Champions League and they came on and made the Champions League debuts and JJ Gabriel's dad went, and that should be my son, that should be JJ in the squad. And apparently all the rumours were that JJ was going to be in the Carabell Cup squad against Brighton and set to make history as Manu United's youngest ever player and he's just blown that up, completely blew it up because of this pathetic reason really, that two kids three and a half to four years older than him are making their debuts first, like it's, you don't want people around that, do you want to put, you don't want people like that round your squad, it's a cancer, it's an absolute just toxic thing, you do not need people like that in settled squads that are trying to rebuild, you do not want premier donors like that. And unfortunately, the way the world works and the way football works, somebody else will probably take a chance and promise him this and that, it might well be Manchester City, it might believe a pool, who knows where he's going to end up next, but it's pathetic the way it's been handled, it really is, I think it's, you know, yes, Manu United aren't the club they want to wear, but that means your chances of getting first team football sooner rather than they are actually quite good, and if you are that good, you're all of a sudden overnight or over the course of a month let's say, you're worth best part of 100 million quid just like that, it's crazy, like look at the limine humal, coming through a Barcelona, he was nothing, then he was everything, that's the levels this J.J. Gabriel has been talked about as being similar to apparently, is apparently that good, and now he's tinted, because everyone knows his dad's a dickhead, and he wants to, he wants, he wants that round their squad, like, not me, I wouldn't if I was a manager or a sporting director, well you spoke about that Sabah game in the Champions League, the Azerbaijanis Champions, J.J. Gabriel scored a hat trick against Sabah under 21's in the UEFA Youth League, earlier on that same day, so within being in the Youth League squad it was almost certain that he was going to be in the men's first team squad, but he scored a hat trick in that game, he also won the under 18 Premier League player of the season, so the under 18's Premier League is basically a mirrored version of the Premier League for under 18 players, he was 14 last year and won the award, so he is a wonder talent, there is no question about it, like you said, if he's expecting to be playing first team football, that's why he's been advised to hand in a transfer request, that's ridiculous, because Manchester United have never debuted a 15 year old before, ever, and this is a club with a rich history of bringing players through, they've got that ridiculous stat haven't they at Man United, is it something silly like 80 years of consecutive first team games where they've had an academy graduate in the squad, either starting or on the bench, none of those players across 80 years have ever been 15 years of age, so yes, JJ Gabriel is the next incredible talent off the Carrington production line, and yes he is special, but because he's not been involved in the first team yet, is that really worthy of a transfer request, if he goes to another club and doesn't get what he perceives, what he should be doing, which is playing first team football, he's just going to look even more like a ballend, that's a thing, I heard a good clip recently of them in the last couple of days, it was quite timely, John McGinn on the rest of his football or the other lap, sorry, and he said he was asked about youth kids, and you know, Villa have got a good sort of academy, there's George Hemingh's playing regular football now, and Brian Madgel coming through as well at 17 in other, you know, precarious talent, and he said like, he said they're just different now, like they train as if they've got everything already, because they have, they train like the turn up to training with the boots untied and start training, and he looked at Rocky and he said, can you imagine that in your day, and Rocky enrolled his eyes, and you know what, Rocky, and would have done someone if they walked into the money out of training in 1995 with the boots untone, you know, Beckham walked in with his shoes untied, and stuff like that, and his fancy haircut and stuff, it would have just been stamped out, he would have been, he would have been bollocked, remember when Fergie, didn't Fergie tell him to share his head when he came to training with that money, he could have something, he forced him, he was like, share the idea, you know, fucking training with us, and it's not like that anymore, like there's kids who are 17, 18, they've got, you know, they've got flipping G wagons and Rolexes and stuff like that, and it's just crazy now how, how quickly everything gets, and he then went on to make another point, and he said, like, if you don't give them it, other clubs will, so they'll just leave, so you're absolutely, you stuck, you can't win in that situation, you either give them everything, and then they've got everything, and they've made it, and there's no motivation to kick on, and if you don't give them it, you lose them for a nominal fee, even if you get a couple hundred grand for them, it's not, what, it's not, it's a fraction of what they will go on to be worth, so you've, you've got this really like difficult situation, but I don't know what more money, money that he could have done with him, he's playing 18's for Paul at 14, he's playing 21's for Paul at 15, he's, he's been promised a place on the bench in a proper game at 15, money that he'd have struttled him for strikers, if he does well in those, in those games, he could be a Premier League regular at 17, you know, he's just turned, I think he's just turned 16, hasn't he, at the minute, or somewhere around there, so by the time next season rolls around it, if he's a regular, how many 17-year-olds play regular football for Manchester United? Rashford was the last one in 2016 coming through, who would probably be there. Well, how many 17-year-olds play regular Premier League football full stop? You know, I was talking to a friend about Michael Owen, and we've spoken about it on this podcast, you know, he was a prodigious talent coming through as a teenager, you know, in the World Cup squad at 17, 18, I think he did he have 100 and something, Premier League goals by the age of 21, 22, you know, that stuff doesn't happen that often these days, how many players over the years have been a regular in the team as a teenager? Let alone at 15. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, like, you have to trust the club to care for the players well and to look after him, they've seen, like, look at money out here, and I know that all the personnel are different and stuff now, but they've seen young players come through and shine bright and then get extinguished by playing too many games or, you know, getting to ahead of themselves and stuff like that, they've had had experience of this. There's people still at Man United who know how to bring through a talent and nurture a talent. Ironically, Marcus Rashford's still around, who could really mentor somebody like J.J. Gabriel, he's been in his exact position where he was unbelievably good at young age, I remember he scored twice against Michelin in the Europa League on his debut and that was it, he was gone. He then scored against Arsenal that weekend. He then scored in his England debut and he was all of a sudden, Man United's next great big hope. So there's players at Man United and staff that can nurture him, but the only one who's, unfortunately, the only one who's decisions sort of come to the fore or his dad's and his dad's there saying, well, my son's got to play because look at him, he's amazing and if J.J. Gabriel goes down with an ACL injury at 17, who's to blame then? All right, it's the club. The club will get blamed for too much too soon, but it's not his dad's saying force, you know, the club has to play him otherwise we're going somewhere else. You know, football's in a situation though where if you say, right, go on, fuck off somewhere else and he does do well. The club looks daft, but the club know inside out, the characters that are at play. It's like when you don't see, sometimes you say players kicking off and leaving clubs and it's never them, it's the agent. Look at Sandra, Tanali and Esac leave in Newcastle. It was probably agent driven as much as anything. Tanali certainly was. In fact, Esac certainly was as well because they were the ones making the conversations behind the club's back and saying, right, we can get out here. We're going. So you never know the full thing as a consumer, but this time we've been giving it a glimpse into some of the stuff that JJ Gabriel's dad has reportedly done and they have it, you know, looks like it's all going to end in tears and I'll have to see where he ends up. The last two years in the Premier League have been an absolute nightmare for Tottenham, and despite the fact they've spent 300 million pounds on players this summer, it's not started to brightly for them this season either. However, finally, they have scored their first goal of the season. They'll haven't scored in the Premier League, but they did score at Amfield in the Carabao Cup. It was a three-one defeat to Liverpool, though, for Roberto Deserbi's side, and they're running at 120 million pounds per goal, Marley, because it was scored by Conor Gallagher, assisted by one of the summer signings Mattayas Fernandez. He cost 85 million, Gallagher cost 35 million, and probably not the character you would have picked to have scored their first goal of the season. It's pretty dire for them at the minute creatively, but the players they've got, surely they should be doing more in terms of scoring goals and creating chances, which they just haven't been doing at all. Yeah, they should. They've got enough about them. Kudos on the wing, 60 million. Mattayas Tell was a lot of money. They've got enough. Marley, who should have fought again, 70 million quid, Savio on the bench, all the rest of it. It's kind of ironic that just when they score a goal and they're in with a chance of getting something against Liverpool, Dominic Shobba's like, goes and twats in a thunder bastard and takes it away from them. With a ridiculous goal, just to prove how easy it looks like, it looks so easy, and Spurs are making it look very, very difficult for themselves at the minute because they were in the game when they got that goal back 20 minutes to throw everything you had at but Liverpool and the 17 shots, six on target, two clear cut chances, nine corners, one of which they scored from with Gallagher's header. But yeah, just not enough. I don't think Deserbinoz is best team, and that's always dangerous when you manage it, doesn't eat, you know, he's trying things for games in fine, but if you're trying things 10, 12, 13 games in and you've only won one or two, it's an issue, it's a real issue, but they always have so many injuries that things have to change. Salanki's always injured, he can't rely on him, like Marmouche looks better when he's not a centre-forward, when he's got a partner, he looks dangerous, but he's not getting a partner, it's Spurs unless they're chasing the game and they put him and Salanki on or him and somebody else up front or whatever. Woodrick's already out for a while with an injury, you know, after coming from Chelsea on a bit of a free hit loan type thing, Mateusz tells never really scored goals for them. Kudus looked good last season at the start, but had a bad injury and asked to come back from that and get back to, to full speed and yeah, there's a lot to do, there's a lot to do with Spurs, work out your best team, work out your best defence, work out your best holding midfielders and go off from there really. Spurs have got villa in the Premier League at the weekend, another side who have found it desperately hard to score. Six point, right? Yeah, massive, massive game already at this stage of the season, and it was this stage of the season last year, which swayed things in Villa's favour, where they finally got their first win and we all know what happened after that. I think they went on a stupid run of 17 wins in 19 games in all competitions after they finally picked up their first victory. They were really struggling at this stage of last season, Villa. We all know what happens next. They go on to finish fourth in the Premier League and win the Europa League. I don't think that's going to be the case this time around mind you. I think they've had the spine of their team ripped out and there's a lot of transition still to be done for Villa when you think of the departures and you've got a lot of young talent at Villa. One of them scoring Villa's first goal of the season in the Premier League at the weekend, Alison, but he's new to the league, the Brazilian Johan Manzambi as well has just been signed and by they've just signed him of the 10 signings. I think Emery's only started three of the new signings in the Premier League, one of them being Nicholas Jackson who he hooked at half time against Forest. So he's clearly not comfortable with putting these young stars that they spent a lot of money on in from the start, but might not he have a choice because the longer he leaves it and the more desperate the situation gets, then things are going to look even more grim for Villa, but that spurs Villa game at the weekend is looking big like you said. Yeah, Villa is struggled, aren't they? They're really struggled early on. I think you're I think you're just seeing a hangover from from what's gone down in the summer, you know, with all the players leaving and having to rush around at the end of the window on sign, play as late in the window, Jackson came in late. Manzambi was injured from the from the first minute and by was was a late signing as well. They're already seems to be something going on with Garnacho. He's not really trusted. He's not really playing much by way of appearances. I don't know whether there's a there's something going on there or he's just not good enough or not seen as good enough. We're seeing a lot of George Heming's playing. I think he's played pretty much every minute for Villa this season. We'd never heard of it last season. I don't think he played he might have played every every now and again last season that I can't remember him breaking into that team at all really. So yeah, Villa of they'll get it right. Look, you know, you know, Emory's going to get it right because that's the guarantee he's got. He'll he'll get you there eventually is I get I think he's restricted with how things have gone down, but he will work it out if you're giving, you know, top Christmas. They'll be they'll be top off. Well, that's it. And Villa of picked up a win in the car about Cup as well. They beat Coventry away from home. And I know Frank Lampard and Coventry are suffering at the minute. They just can't seem to buy a win whether that been the Premier League or even in the Cup. But Tammy Abraham scored a couple of goals. And Tammy Abraham was potentially going to be third choice strike at this season. Potentially even fourth choice had Watkins stayed, but Watkins left. They've brought in Nicholas Jackson. He'll be number one choice. And then when he's fit, Brian Maggio, you mentioned him there, the youngster, he'll be second choice. So Tammy Abraham really is being given an opportunity when maybe he wasn't expecting it. He's been offered to other clubs in the summer. He's decided to stay and try and fight for his place and prove you and I am very wrong. Scored a couple of goals in the week. So you don't know do whether that might be a turning point for Ashton Villa or a Cup win. Maybe that'll be what turns the season around. It was how they picked up their first win last year and look what happened after that. Yeah. Well, if you want to sort something out, you you get a visit from Dr. Tottenham. That will sort you out. That tends to be what happens if Spurs or Cummins sort you out. But yeah, Villa, it perhaps a funny one because he had bags of talent, didn't he? He left Chelsea and then ended up going to Roma and Sophie did well at Roma. Then he ended up in Turkey and then came back. And he was like, he was like, with Basik Das in the summer. I expected to leave. I think he would have left. Had Watkins not thrown his toys out the promise that I would have moved to the so the best place in the world is Saudi Arabia. So I think that offered him a lifeline, but you know, it's there for him to take. You know, Nicholas Jackson has started okay, not brilliant. You've got Madjo lurking. Everyone will be clamoring to watch him. I don't know what he's injury is it? I mean, I don't really know how long he's out for, but his performance in the Super Cup was some believable against PSG. He bullied the two center halves he was playing against against PSG. So there'll be a lot of talk of him breaking back into the team and getting appearances and stuff. So yeah, down to Abraham to say, right, the does, the does being showing you face of the minute because I'm scoring and I'm the experienced one and you know, I can rely on me type of thing to score goals, but yeah, I've got to do more of it because I think the minute they're they're struggling, but yeah, spurs at the weekend. You know, I can't, if you want to score goals, you get a visit off spurs, it's that simple. Spurs at home as well is not a scary proposition. They've been absolutely useless at the top and hot spurs stadium. In fact, I need to do some research into their records since the start of last season or since Hangeposter Coglu took the job because it has been pitiful their home record. This 60,000 seat stadium, they've got the biggest single tier stand in all of European football, doesn't count for anything if you can't win games at home and the Tottenham fans were getting on the backs of the players again. And you can understand why because they've been paying a lot of money for season tickets over the years and they have been given absolute crumbs to feed off when it comes to excitement and entertainment and enjoyment. Nobody enjoys losing football matches, especially when you're a team like spurs who are expected to win more games than you lose and spurs home form has been absolutely dreadful and it needs to improve. But we've been saying that for ages and it doesn't matter who the manager is, it hasn't improved. So you say doctor Tottenham, but the fact that they're at home I think actually puts more pressure on spurs again. It does yeah. A 60,000 seat stadium and the largest single tier stand in Europe or whatever they've got. It goes against you when you're not playing well, when they're all booing and nervous, whenever the ball goes near them and they're defending that big stand, it can work against you. It's as simple as that. If you've got nervousness and trepidation around the team every time you're trying to play and try to play your way out of this situation and people are starting to question the manager and the signings and stuff like that. The weight of the stand can either win you or lose the game. If you're nil nil and they're all urging you forward because they expect you to score a goal. It can be the most uplifting thing ever. They can almost score your goal. They can give you that boost that you need to go and break down of stubborn defence. But it can also go completely the opposite way and restrict you and make you not make that risky pass for fear of making a mistake trying to play it safe, making the wrong decision at the wrong moment. The Tottenham Hotspur Stadium opened in 2019. Spurs have already had 37 home defeats in those six, seven years. Arsenal, it took them 14 years. This is the one of the games at the Emirates. To lose that many games, it's absolutely ridiculous and if you want to have a look at the season by season breakdown, here's Arsenal's defeat count at the Emirates. One, zero, three, two, four, three, three, one, two, three, two, two, two and three. So the most home games that Arsenal have ever lost in a season in the Premier League at the Emirates is four. Two seasons ago, Spurs had 10 defeats. Ten in one season. That's the one you keep in your mind if you're a football fan of red and white persuasion in North London. My favourite thing is the comment underneath, which is it's not a surprise, really, is it Arsenal Decent and Spurs are shy. Which sums up quite fairly, I think. When you put it like that, yeah. I don't know how they get out of this because I've repeated myself again, but they've tried everything, they've tried different types of manager, they've tried different profiles, they've tried lots of players, and something's just still not right. And I don't know how you get that out of there and change that without changing the entire squad and the manager all at the same time. You're talking like a billion pound investment to go and change an entire start in 11, ship the entire start in 11 out and get a new manager. It's ridiculous to suggest it because this isn't fee for our 40 manager where you just select all and release or select all and transfer list. It doesn't work like that. So they've put so much into players, this guy will be the answer, this guy will be the answer. I think Deserb is a, I don't think he's a good manager. You see what's happening with Richales in at the minute, I actually think Richales in his profile, even though he's a bit of a dickhead, he's, you need dickheads like that who fight and scrap and fight for the club like, you need characters like that, you can't, you can't have lightweight sort of guys that are going to pull out of challenges and not put their head on the line for the club, but I think Richales and would do that as he proved lassies and I'll remember the season before when underhand Poster Cogley, we got off to a great start and was going a few goals, but he's just been distracted by Deserb. That's why the Spurs fans love Romero so much and I thought Romero was an absolute bellend by the way, he was an awful leader. The Spurs fans only really loved him because he's the only type of player that they've ever had that fits that nasty South American mold, they've never had a player like it at all, and at least not in my lifetime watching Premier League football, and I'm trying to think now of the top of my head when was the last time Spurs had a proper nasty player, Romero was one of those nasty players, you know, he'd pick up red cards, but he was up for the fight, he was up for the battle, and I think that's why Spurs fans loved him even though I thought he was a terrible leader, they don't have that anymore, he's gone, he was a liability, and there's no one in their team who really gets stuck in like Sandro, Tanali and Connor Gallagher, they'll put their foot in and they'll win tackles, but they're not nasty players, and I don't mean nasty players as in going around swiping people getting sent off like Romero did, but I mean someone who has a bit of bite, like Elliot Anderson you were talking about him the other day, and I think you summed it up perfectly, he's not nasty, but he's he's robust and he's tough, and I just don't think Spurs have ever had that sort of player. I mean, I thought your Alpelini might be that player for them last season, but wasn't the case? I think Jalpelini is an amazing player, I really do, I think he's one of them players that he isn't, you know, the best passer, he's not the best dribbler, he's not the fastest, but if you go within 10 yards of him, he's coming to smash you, and he's one of Spurs' best players, I see in it, it baffled me that they weren't willing to put him on a permanent deal, I think he's aged to put them off, but he's only 30, 31 maybe, he's a good player, he's got two years of, like, look at Casamiro, who was at Manianite, and I know he just found out in late in his career and stuff, late in his spell at Manianite, but he always had good performances in him where he looked five, six years younger, and that was when he was smashing people and making tackles and stuff like that. I think if you're not going to dominate possession, if you're not going to have 70% of the ball, Jalpelini is a fantastic player, because if you have 50% of the ball, that means 50% you're fighting for it, 50% of that game you are fighting for that ball, and there's not many better in the league than Jalpelini when he's playing like that, but instead, no, no, we'll go through Mateus Fernandez, who's 85 million, and then three weeks into the season, does everything he needs to adjust, he's still young, why have you paid the money for him then? Why would you not pay a 15-20 million for Jalpelini, who knows the league, or supposedly knows the league just as much as Mateus Fernandez, but makes more of an impact? I don't understand, like, they're always sort of attracted to this next big, next shiny thing, or he'll be the answer, he'll be the answer, and you know, it doesn't work out like that. I think Jan Paul van Hickers, one of them, I think he's the most overrated player in the league, when he was at Brighton, I didn't get it, I've seen mistakes and silly passes and stuff at times, and I didn't think he was the strongest, I think he's one of them, ironically they've let Vuskovich go the other way, who looks great, and was widely regarded as one of the best talent in Europe, and played every minute for Croatia at the World Cup, and he looked good, and all of a sudden they've went, no, no, the answer isn't under our nose, the answer's a new guy, new guy, look how good he is at Brighton, deserving to work with him before, he's the guy, and he hasn't been able to stem the flow at all in the first four games of the season. Yeah, I actually think looking at Chihuahua Polinius stats last season, I don't remember him scoring five Premier League goals, but he did in 33 games. Yeah, scored a few. He was one of Tottenham's better players, if you're just looking at purely the statistics this weekend, that is the game for me, that is the big game isn't it? Spurs against Dustin below, that's the one that I have my eye closest on that one. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, big one, big one, because you don't want to be, let's say Spurs lose that game, that is a long international break, three weeks, a long time to sit on that, let's say they lose and don't score, you know, they won't score a Premier League goal to mid-October, it's crazy, that's mental, so yeah, something needs to, something needs to click, this week I think, it's actually crazy, and what's even more crazy is because they've drawn the last two games, Neil and Neil, they're not even in the relegation zone, which is absolutely bonkers, but Ashton Villa are, so you know, they can suck Spurs back into the bottom three if they beat them, which is mad, I can't believe we're talking about relegation fire already, I'm talking about Villa and Spurs, nonsense, utter nonsense, well that's it for another episode of Football Social Daily, thanks for joining us as always, remember, subscribe or follow is what you need to do if you don't want to miss an episode, and you can also hear our bonus episodes, FSD Extra Time by becoming an FSD Extra Time subscriber, link to do that is in the description, and even if you don't really want to listen to bonus episodes, it's a great way to help support the pod and basically just give a bit of a donation to help the pod continue because it's another season we've been doing this since 2019, which no, as long as the Tottenham Hot Spurs stadium has been open, so, I don't, I don't know what kind of comparison I'm trying to draw there, but maybe we're more reliable than Tottenham at home is what I'm saying even though we don't always put pods out all the time, but yeah thanks so much for your support as always, links are in the description if you do want to help support the show, we couldn't do it without you, but that's it for today, and we'll catch you next time on FSD, see you then.