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Hi, hello and welcome to your favorite average good podcast called what you want some Jimmy Conrad alongside Charlie Davies and Tony Miola and we have a great show for you today as always. We're going to talk about captains and American captains and they're trending across Europe that's going to be a lot of fun. Is Eunice Musa for playing 90 minutes for AC Milan this past weekend? Is he a serious part of Milan's plans or is it just in the shop window? We're going to put him under the microscope in a new segment that you're going to help us build. And then death taxes and MLS changing the playoff format. Have they finally cracked the postseason code? We're going to get into that. I want to tease or give you an early answer say no, they have not, but we can dissect it a little bit further. But I'm coming to tones first, tones, I haven't seen you since last week. How are you doing? What have you been up to? I'm good, my man. I'm still on my vacation. See, I work on my vacations. Actually, I was out in Scottsdale hanging out with my son a little bit and golfing a little bit, golfing a lot of it as much as I could in the 110 degree. What they call dry heat, it's crazy out there. But I'm in LA, I'm actually here. Chuck will appreciate this for my year and a half, check up. My big check up after my health scare year and a half ago, so for one day to go today. And then after the check up, I'm going to hit the golf course just to celebrate. So yeah, get out there that way, yeah, yeah, all right. Appreciate it. Any any alligators in Scottsdale, we know you encounter them a lot. No, you just have to deal with those there. No, there were no, no, but there's everything else. I saw I saw rattlesnake, I saw a fox running across the course. That's all we saw in Scottsdale actually for more. Yeah. Okay, and check, Jason Chuck. How about you? What were you been doing? You've been coaching, been dominating the youth scene? Yeah. We had our first preseason jamboree with any FC. It's New England football club. They're run so well. They have a great facility. So I brought my club to England force. We played three games. Really liked what I saw from the kids. By the way, the any FC parents, there's a lot of Brazilians in Columbia. They brought grills in Tony, you know how they're grilling all this beautiful meat and they got the meat pies and you're just saying, this is how youth soccer needs to be done proper. Phenomenal to get the kids back out training. We started our first regular season practices. So you know, the kids are buzzing. I can see Jimmy, you got your peacock flow with the hair going on real nice, the grays peaking in. Nice high. All right. Hey, I was just you listening to your nice weekend and you've taken shots at me. I appreciate that. No, it looks good. It looks good. Thanks. It's more of a bedhead thing. I got gone. But I want to shout out my Oakland roots. I've been back helping the club since the World Cup. And we got a clean sheets, three valuable points. Peter Wilson got 11 goals this season, scored a 93rd minute penalty and got the all three points in San Antonio. It's a tough place to play. Carlos Humosa for everybody that's out there, shout out to an old school defender for the USman's national team. Carlos Humosa coaches the San Antonio team and we wish them the best, but we do appreciate the three points. So we got to keep it moving. We got eight games to go. Three points out of a playoff spot. So he started about that and hopefully he can get the clean sheets coming because that's my area of the field in particular. All right. It's a broad. We're going to round it up right now. There's so many players that played. We're going to give you some of the highlights here. We're going to go to Eunice Musa, who I mentioned before. We'll get a deep dive into him a little bit later. Started and played all 90 minutes in a 2-1 win versus Torino in Torino, not an easy place to play. But Milan got the big three points in Ruben Averum's first game in charge or meaningful game in charge. Malik Talman started in a 4-0 DFB Pokal win for Bayer Levery Cuisin, Ricardo Peppi and Serginio Dest, both scored in a 5-1 win versus Gronigan. They were down 1-0 after 10 minutes, came back and flipped that around. Peppi had a penalty. Serginio Dest had a break away, by the way, from midfield. Yeah. If you haven't seen the highlights pretty crazy. He ends up playing it across to Van Bommel's son, whose top-top player who played it back to Serginio and Serginio. Score Timway, a captain, Marseille and their 4-0 win versus Strasbourg. Gio Reina now plays for Strasbourg. He got 20 minutes in that game. George Campbell, captain West Brom and a 3-1 win versus Burnley. We also have Jean-Luc Abustia, who captain Venetia, unfortunately they didn't get the results in their first game back in Serie A, but it's interesting for me, but there's a whole bunch of other players we can talk about, and we'll get into them in a second, but let's talk about the captains really quick. Contones are going to come to you. You've probably won the captain's armband, more than me, and Chuck combined over your career. How impressive is it for you, from your standpoint, to have a few Americans, captaining clubs in meaningful competitions, as I said, Serie A, Liga, EFL Championship. That's a pretty big deal. All things considered. To get that type of trust as an America, I feel like it's not that it hasn't happened before, but it feels like it's breaking the ceiling to have so many of our guys doing it in some capacity. Yeah, I think it's really cool. I mean, I feel like we talked about it with Bousseille. We've obviously spoken about it with the West of McKenny over the years, Christian and Policic at different times, and Timothy Wei in particular, I said last week on the show like he was the guy this year that I wanted to see sort of have a bounce back season. Get back to top form, and clearly after the World Cup, I don't think he, I would imagine at least he doesn't think he got the most out of himself at the World Cup, right? And now you've got to go back to your club team and you can go two ways, right? You can continue on this sort of downhill slide, or you can say, okay, that's behind me. Club seasons here, and let's get rolling. He's done it to the point where his coaches had really high praise for him, and when Dez texted me yesterday and asked our producer Dez about who he wanted to talk about, he was kind of the guys. Much said, we'll talk about Eunice Moussa, and as you said, break him down a little bit deeper. I think it's really, really impressive that at a club like Marseille, again, an American kid gets an opportunity to be the captain. I think it's an honor anywhere, but I still, I think what we're seeing Chuck is that coaches are starting to see the other things, right, that some of these American guys bring. Because in general, you've always heard like they're disciplined, they train hard, they work hard, they're good team guys, and it was always like, now we got to see if they could catch up with the football inside, right? And now I think the football inside, people know like Americans can play, and now all these other things are coming into play for the decision makers that, I don't know if they do it by team committee, or sometimes the manager just names it. I don't know how Marseille does it, but he's done enough to catch the eye of his teammates and his managers to say he's going to be a captain of this group. Yeah, and it's important to note here because we see a comment already, way it isn't a real captain though, the coach is forced into it. The coach wasn't forced into it. The coach could have picked anybody to be a captain, right, was the guy, Foleyberg was the other guy, but he's like on the transfer block, right? And so they had a conversation and way out, spoke to Foleyberg and talked about, hey, this is what they're thinking, you know, is this right? So even in the way that that happened, he did it with grace. And by the way, to be selected, that means everybody looks up to you. That means the coach can count on you, the team can count on you, and you're the type of player who isn't going to get rattled, right? So he's embraced the environment, the culture, that's someone now that is expected to lead this group. That's, that's an incredible honor. It's such a massive club. And I don't want to, I don't want us to take this slightly because you are not getting the captain's arm band at a club like Marseille and left, unless you basically encapsulate everything that is, is wanted from that type of leader within the locker room. So massive respect to Timothy Waiah in getting this honor, especially because Tim Waiah came off a pretty difficult summer, all things considered, didn't get the minutes. So maybe even the trust we could say from Mauricio Pochettino during the World Cup. So for him to bounce back was super low as we saw for sure performance for sure. His confidence was low. His coach though, now with new Marseille coach Bruno Hinescio, said this about Tim Waiah, which I think is, is, is amazing. He said that a captain needs to be exemplary in both attitude and performance and exude a leader's spirit. Since I arrived, Tim has embodied that. He's positive, considerate of others, and his attitude is impeccable. That's why somewhat reluctantly because Pierre was a captain, I chose Tim. He met the most criteria in my mind for wearing the arm band. So yes, yeah, I know there's comments saying otherwise, he's not the real captain, whatever. That sounds like a vice captain to me like, okay, if Hoyberg was there, now that's going to take it away for maybe potential transfer reasons, then Tim was the easy second choice, right? And usually you can see kind of a hierarchy in teams in terms of who your leaders are. So shout out to Tim for that. I also want to give a shout out to Rick a part Ricardo Pepe, excuse me. I meant to mention this before, but El Paso County commissioners court on Monday approved a resolution, recognizing standout Ricardo Pepe following his, his selection to the, to the World Cup team. And so now El Paso County has declared August 24th moving forward as Ricardo Pepe day. That's pretty awesome, by the way, and he scored this weekend as well. All right, some other players that I think want to, we could maybe mention the Premier League obviously kicked off, Brendan Ernstson, who coming off the glow of signing the new three-year deal with lead, started and played 82 minutes and leads his one-zero win over four-est. Chris Richards started and played 90 minutes in palaces, two-zero loss to Everton, Tyler Adams, surprisingly for me, maybe maybe because he's just starting the season and coming off the World Cup, but didn't start in this one, came off the bench and played 15 minutes. I'm not very good 15 minutes for the team, not necessarily Tyler. They were up one-zero, Bournemouth away to city and they ended up losing two-one. A Jedi Robinson started and played 82 minutes and full of them's three-two loss to Chelsea. How's he right is out for, with a quad injury, could be out there for a while. I had more Sebastian Burhalter, Max Arstin all started and played most of the minutes. And Arstin and Burhalter got subbed out at 77. Arstin, I thought, didn't look as good. A couple goals coming from his side, but they ended up losing that one to Blackburn, two-one. Patrick Ogyman still out, just to give you guys an update on that. Alex Freeman dressed, but did not play in via Royale's two-two draw with Letty Comedrid. Johnny Cardoso dressed, but did not play for it. Letty, Pellegrino Marrata's Real Sociedad lost one-zero to Royale. That is, listen, not a very good outing for Etleti or excuse me for American players in Spain. Jesus, I'm all over the place. What's the McKinney started and played 90 minutes in UVA's one-zero win over Frozen No. I thought he was very good. McKinney was good to see him, Busio, as I said, started and played. Invinci's two-zero loss to Lecce. Kramaski, Benjopper, Kramaski, came up the bench and played five minutes. Aparhamus, one-zero loss to Caliari on Saturday. Anybody that jumps out of you, big tones, coming back to you. Yeah, I think that Alex Freeman thing, right? We asked last week after one week, are you worried about the lack of playing time now? He's on the bench, but doesn't play. I said after week three or four, it would be when I started to get a little bit concerned, right? In playing time, so we're at week two, so I'm halfway concerned right now. Jimmy, if I can be that before week four, Ben Kramaski's another one for me, because I look at that parmicide and what you say played five minutes, right? In that game, he's coming off an injury from last year at the end of the season, where he was getting on the field. I'm interested to see his development this season, because I really think the kick can play, and I think he's in a really good spot with Quest of the Young Manager. I'd like to see him take the next step this season. No, no, I'm with you on that. Here's another name that I wanted to throw out to you, Chuck. Kevin Paradez came off the bench and played 27 minutes for you, Chuck, and their three-three draw with Sparta-Roberdam. Do you think Paradez moving from the Bundesliga to the air of EC is a good decision for him? I think it's a good decision if he can continue to play, and the reason you make that move is being a starter every week. And I know he's had some injury difficulties in his young career, so getting fit and getting into form, but you want him to take a step back, which is what he's done to take two steps forward. That's ultimately the goal. So he's got a number of intangibles. We're talking about the pace and quickness, and being someone who can cause problems, I think, trying to figure out in my left wing or in my left back, in my wing back, long-term, what's his best position. But that's one kid that he's such a good kid, so I want to obviously see him continue to thrive and get minutes. But to go back to Alex Freeman, I think it's important to note that when players have the opportunity to play in a World Cup, but at the same time, the club is in transition and a new hire, and you've got a new coach that's always a difficult proposition, because that means you're coming back late in a first important pre-season for that coach who's implementing new standards and building trust with certain players. And then next thing you know, you come in late, and the coach is saying, hey, this is who I'm going with for now. And I think that's probably the case for a couple of the guys here. Where they have to wait for that opportunity, instead of slowly being brought in to be the starter, you got to wait for your opportunity and keep training and waiting for that moment. So I think that could be the case for Freeman who had that, had his first coach stayed, he'd be walking into the starting lineup, whereas now he's got to wait for that opportunity to break in and earn his minutes. By the way, they're playing champions. So he's going to get his minutes, he's going to get his time, probably a little bit later than we would like. All right, we'll speak into the Champions League. This is what we call a proper segue here. The playoffs for the Champions League. Continue this week on Paramount Plus. Obviously don't miss the Champions League phase draw. That's going to be live on the Glossow Network on Thursday at 12 p.m. Eastern. But we got last versus Celtic, a couple of Americans. And this one, Celtic grew up 3-0 after leg one. Got Cameron Carter-Vickers and Austin Trussi, who should be partnering in the back. He got Samuel Adirron and George Bello, that play for last. That'll be today at 3 p.m. Eastern on Pup Paramount Plus. And then Leo and versus Fenerbahce, that's going to be a good one. One, one on Aggregates, Tanner Testman. Not getting as many minutes as I thought, coming out of the gate here this season, but that is happening on Wednesday at 3 p.m. Eastern on Paramount Plus. That should be pretty good. Also, George Campbell's West Brom, we talked about him a little bit, will be in action versus Newcastle United in round two. The Care About Cup on Wednesday at 2.45 p.m. Eastern. And you can watch that exclusively, along with the other games I mentioned on Paramount Plus. Speaking about George Campbell a little bit, he's emerged as a captain. I want to just get into a center back, give some center back love here. But he's emerged as a captain, and West Brom of one, two out of two, so far in the championship, they're near the top of the table, just second on goal difference. And he, I wonder, given them Reese and Pochettino is a center back. If he's, now especially we got a broad in our player pool in this one, if George Campbell gets a look. Now, we've heard a lot, and I know you got a West Brom buddy there, tones that kind of raves about George Campbell. I wonder what it's going to take for him to really get on the radar in a serious way. And if you can't get into this window, you wonder if it's ever going to happen in some capacity. Yeah. Well, you'd know better the qualities of these guys. All I can tell you, my buddy's Andy from New Hampshire. That's how he's termed. He's of West Brom, he's baggy. Yeah, and he's been talking about George Campbell and his improvement forever. Now, this is a guy that lives and breeds the blue and white stripes, right? So maybe he sees it through different lens, but all he talks about is his improvement all the time. And by the way, this is soccer guy. This isn't just like a fan. This is a guy that gets the game and played before he moved to the US. So I would think if you continue to play like this, and you continue to lead your team, clearly, again, like the discussion we had, he's another leader type guy. I saw the interview that was on morning footy last week, really, really impressive talking to him. And he, and listening to him, you can tell why he's kind of one sort of the, he's in the good graces of his team and won the arm band, but you got to do it on the field. And I just think all he can do at his level, I know we have different discussions about the championship and where it kind of fits in. All George Campbell can do is continue to play and get better, right? And know that that position on the national team, especially if we're going to continue to go with three centerbacks, which I pray to God that we do, at least with this particular group, there'll be openings at some point. He'll get an opportunity. And I would think that he's not going to be a guy that gets multiple opportunities if he goes in and just kind of has just a really bad camp and another bad camp. Like he's not a guy you keep bringing back. So yeah, I mean, I can see him getting, we got four games coming up in this window for the first time ever. I can see him getting called in. I just wonder how many players they're going to call in in total, but yeah, I mean, good for him, man, because he went over there, has improved his game and seems like he continues to improve. All right, Chuck, before you chime in here, and I think we can use George Campbell, it's kind of a symbol of what this next upcoming camp looks like and taking your opportunity or maybe this will be your only opportunity. Big Tone's referenced the interview with George Campbell. Let's hear what he had to say about his national team chances. You're real quick about the global stage, the national team side of things for you. You've obviously said before that being in a mix for the US men's national team, it is one of your own personal goals that I would love to know coming into this season personally for you, what goals are you setting and what you're going to be working on this next year to be more in the mix with the national team? Yeah, I think my goal all every year, I've always said in the beginning of the year, is to try to stay healthy and play as many games as possible. And with that opportunity, we'll come. But yeah, I was a bit disappointed last year that I didn't get an opportunity to get maybe a camper to before the World Cup or just have a chance of getting there. So yeah, this year, I think it would be about when I'm at the club focusing on the club, staying healthy and playing as many games as possible, playing well when in games here. And then outside of that, there's bits and pieces that I know my game can elevate. And I think that'll give me a great chance of getting into a squad. George Campbell, well, in 25 years old, Chuck, and I didn't get my first cap of the national team till I was 28. So I got a soft spot for the late bloomers out there. Now, you don't have to speak about George Campbell in particular. I guess it's more about kind of, is there room for a player like him who is starting to evolve at a later age to potentially get a legitimate look with the national team? Yeah, I love the fact that he's hungry and was hoping to get a look before the World Cup, just because there's probably that little bit of hope within you that is thinking, maybe I can get onto that World Cup team, right? And I'm pushing with these performances, I'm playing well and never came. But you can't stop. You're gonna continue to push and try and continue to develop. And hopefully that opportunity comes with the next one. And so to your point, he is young. And if you're looking at the center back depth chart, one player that was playing in the championship, Austin trusty, right? And he got his move to Celtic and playing European competition, playing well for Celtic, allowed him to get another look. And remember, he was teetering on the border. And then he showed well. And he played extremely well in the World Cup with his moment. So again, George Campbell could be that player to get a late look and then show Puchetino that he deserves more opportunities with the national team. But I'm curious, Jimmy, if you're looking at the depth chart right now, it's a new cycle. Do you think banks eventually now commits to the US? I heard he had the same agent as Nagelsmann. So that was kind of another reason why he thought, maybe he would get a look at Germany. That didn't come. Do you still commit to Germany? Or do you say, hey, I'm ready to try the US if the US is still willing to have me? But at the same time, who's on your board in terms of centerbacks right now, who one deserved to still be in and two? Hey, some of these guys are ready for a look. Yeah, good question. I would say that Tim Reem is out. We've said that, I don't know how many World Cup cycles, but he continues to find himself back. Now you say he's out, right? Okay, he's out. Are you still bringing him in to do a swan song? Hey, thanks. Well, are you that kind of guy? Or do you say, hey, it's a new cycle? That's a good question. I'm not a guy just to call people in to say, hey, here's your last capsule later. No, that's what you said on that. Yeah, one of the friendly games is in St. Louis. And so that's where Tim was born and raised. And so that would be a pretty cool moment. And if Mauricio Pochettino wanted to do that, I wouldn't be upset about it. He doesn't mean you have to start him per se, but you can get him out there and roll him out for 10, 15 minutes and give him that swan song. But overall, Tim Reem's out. You got Mackenzie, you got Chris Richards, Austin Trussi. I wonder if Cameron Carter Vickers gets himself back into the conversation if you want to get a look at him. He's still not that old, all things considered. Do you call Cameron Carter Vickers in over Campbell? I would call them both in, to be honest. I think you shouldn't take away any of your options in the center back spot and just see. I mean, in some ways, because you have to be getting into a World Cup cycle, you could be like, hey, whoever can earn it from here, everything's equal, right? I mean, that's kind of what he says. Like, you got to come in and earn what you have. So I'm going to put a blank slate on here and you guys just fight it out. And that would, I think, be really encouraging for those groups of players, especially the players that have been on the fringes to get a look. And so if you wanted to see Testament potentially at center back, he's played some of that obviously for Leon over the last season and including in preseason this time around. He's not even playing. I know that. So maybe that would be an area where if you don't see him as part of your future midfield, which clearly he didn't for the World Cup, it'll roster at least, you could maybe consider him in that area. Three center backs. I think you could have a little cover in different ways. I think Testament could potentially thrive in that environment. So that would be one to consider, right? But yeah, Noah Kai Banks, for sure. And I would start to canvassing all the other areas and all the younger players, too, that might be starting to demonstrate that they've got good presence. And they are solving problems. You need guys that are solving problems and communicating. Go ahead and say it. Is there a young center back in MLS? Across MLS? The one that's making the noise is that Pierre kid, right? The young kid. But is he like, is he like 17 or 18 at Philly? Yeah, Neil Pierre. Yeah, Neil Pierre. Clearly his game is on the rise, European interest. You got, you put your team that would have three or four years. He's massive on re-starts. I think he scored another header this weekend as well. Six foot five. He's an absolute year. Yeah, turns 19 in October. So he's 18 now, turns 19. So he's getting into the Noah Kai Banks sort of, you know, age category. But if you look at the guys on the team, you mentioned Richards, you're going to take him, obviously. He often trusts the 28. So you've got to think of the new cycle in the future. Miles Robinson's 29, do you take him? Mark McKenzie, did he show you enough in this complete cycle? He was there a lot. He made the team. But did he show you enough in this cycle that you wouldn't replace him or at least try to replace him? I think he's a fringe guy from here. There was much so I like coming to Philadelphia. Yeah, as much as I love Mark McKenzie, if you're thinking about four years down the road, actually you're thinking about two years down the road, right? Because you got to go through qualifying now. There's the list is kind of slim, right, of centerbacks. So yeah, to your point, again, I would just open it up. I like what you said before, Tone's about. We just don't know how big the roster is going to be. Is he going to have a one set of the roster that's going to play in the first two? And then the last two is Canada, Mexico. So who do you want for those particular matchups in particular, that'll be interesting to see. I don't know if you roll out everybody or the same group, 25 to 30 players for all four games, but maybe you do. And it would be nice to broaden that player pool a little bit, especially the centerback position. And just even if you're clacking them like a fish. I don't think we have a deep pool though. That's the thing. Even with players that you're saying, OK, who can we pick from? I don't think there's a numb, like if you look at midfield, we have a number of midfielders you could call in. Guys that are playing that you could say, hey, they deserve a call up, whether it's based on performance or potential. With centerbacks, that is where we are not deep in that position. I can tell you one thing. I'm looking forward to seeing Diego coach and finally get a call up and play. That's the one area, right, tones in terms of a keeper. Guy who's playing, he made a move. It'll be a first-team guy. That's an area where you got some fresh blood and you got a player who can go. But centerback, Jimmy, I feel like are we not developing centerbacks in this country, even when you're coached with the Oakland roots and you're looking across USL. Do you see American centerbacks that are young, that are developing, that are getting playing time? Or are you saying even USL, MLS, we're not, we're not, we're not just developing top defenders anymore. So I track of Winder, Jimmy, the keeper. Yeah, Winder as well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Winder, you got Eric Palmer Brown, who got to could really break through, but he's at Panath and Icos in Greece. He's what, 28 maybe, now, 27, 28. Yeah, there are other guys out there that maybe haven't gotten a look, but yeah, it's in, you're to your point. There's, it doesn't, we can't rat a lot of 15 guys. They're like, these guys are studs. To ask your question about kind of the USL, overall, MLS, USL in general, I feel like defending is a lost art. And I see a lot of the details that aren't being maybe addressed and then re-emphasize over. Why do you think that is? I don't know why that is. I know that from an MLS standpoint, there was like a mandate to only sign, you know, attacking players, no matter where you can find them, to help score goals. They want to see goals. They don't want to see great defending. Which means, which means, which means if you're an attacking player that's a homegrown and American player, it's very, that much harder to break in to an MLS side. But if you're a defender, they're counting on developing homegrown talent to play because they're not signing the foreigners. Therefore, we should see top American defenders, right? But that's not happening. So where is the disconnect? I don't know. There's a kid from my area where I live now who played at UC Davis and St. Zach Lillington. And he ended up getting drafted, I think, in the top 10 in MLS and the Super Draft and the last one. And he was playing striker for Davis. And I told him, you should play center back. There's a better opportunity for you to get into pros. He's currently on St. Louis City 2's team. And he's a big kid. Neil Pierre asks in terms of stats. I don't know if he's 6'5, but he's not too far off of it. And he just needs to get a little bit of seasoning, right? He needs to see more repetitions at a high level, but better and faster speed of play to start getting comfortable with the patterns that he's seeing and all that. I can't really answer that question directly because I don't know why there's been kind of loss in translation why we're not developing better defenders. I talked to Michael Parker Salott, who's one of a part owner of Rhode Island FC. And we will send clips to each other, not necessarily our particular teams, but just things we're seeing in general. It could be happening in the Champions League. What's happening here? And why isn't there's this base foundation of understanding of how to move or shift? And honestly, it's been interesting. I've been dealing a lot with communication. And saying the right thing, Bob Ganser, our coach in Kansas City, you used to always tell me, it's not necessarily what you're saying. It's how you say it and when you say it. And I don't necessarily think before they happen though. Right, exactly right. So, so, so, you know, and for me, he'd always give me a hard time. And he's like, brevity is an art form that you have not yet mastered, right? I always kind of gave you like a hundred words instead of like the 10. Which is why I'm doing media, right? Yeah, that's so good. Yeah, but I'm perfect for the media, right? Because I'm just going to overextend my thought process. But in those moments in a high pressure situation, you need to give the exact information at the right time. And that did actually help me, I think with a national team in particular, in helping guys put them in good spots and make the game easier for everybody around you. But when is that being taught, Chuck? When are you teaching communication at the youngest ages? When do you start to do that? Yeah, you kind of just lean on the guy, like the kids that already know how to do that because that's a personality. But how do you bring it out of the guys that maybe don't have it? Yes, I'm coaching my team now, my U11 team. My defenders know all about communication and how much it makes their job easier. And that means they are internally a coach on the pitch the defenders, right? They have to coach everybody in front of them on where to go to make their job easier, right? That's, but that's part of defending communication. I, but I'm asking you, Jimmy, is the actual defending. And okay, so you're talking one B1 to be one defending. And one B1 defending for me. Okay, there's one thing of reading the game, telling guys where to go to make your job easier, to make it more predictable, okay? Then there's the anticipation part. I'm reading an attacking player. I'm reading a defender who's gonna play a long ball and anticipating, so it makes my job easier. I get to the buffers. What I'm talking about is defending one on one, forcing guys to their weak foot. So making it predictable for yourself to anticipate a tackle, using your body, putting a guy off balance, just with slight hand pushes, but being close when you're defending, like not just covering space, I can touch my player who I'm defending. That type of defending. And also leaving a mark. So where is that being taught? Because when I'm watching kids nowadays defend, there's no thought, the deep thought process into, I'm gonna force this guy to be uncomfortable. So he's thinking about how do I, how all these other things in terms instead of, I'm gonna expose the defender this way. I'm looking for my teammates. I'm gonna, I'm too focused on me being uncomfortable. Where is that defending? Okay, before you can even get into that, for me, there has to be a choice about defending. Like I want to defend. I'm willing to do the work to make this hard for my opponent. There, I don't know if there's enough pride in that defending stuff, right? So when I go and approach, I'll even talk about whether I'm coaching my youth team or when I'm coaching with the roots. Like I want them to be proud of being kick-ass at defending. Like it might not feel like anything in the overall scheme of the game, but all of a sudden they make a good tackle, right? Or they cut out a pass or, and then for me, connecting that pass after you win it, I'm the most important passes in the game. But, but, or can they break somebody down, push them wide and get a good tackle, right? That's me on the sideline losing my shit. I absolutely love that, right? Whether it's for my youth kids, or whether it's for the roots, it doesn't matter. But I want them to feel that pride that comes with being good at defending. And so, so that's where it has to start. Like you're never gonna get a kid that's gonna care about the details of defending unless they actually take pride in doing it. So, so that's where I would start. And you're doing a good job of it with speaking about the communication chuck where you're giving the kids something to be proud about and helping them make the game easier. And when they can feel that, that's gonna give them impetus to wanna learn more about why that's cool. For me, for me, I had a coach tell me very early on that I'd make a good defender because I'm really frustrating to play against. And I started to take pride in frustrating other players. And so, and as I got higher, higher up the levels, I was like, okay, how, I'm gonna take away the one thing that I know this guy wants to do. So, when I played pro, I would scout who I'm playing again. So, okay, he likes to go to his left. Or he'll take me left and try to cut back right. And I would just take that away. And let me tell you, those players, when you take that away, stop having fun. When they stop having fun, they're level and their performance drop the time. So, I just wanna try to find those details. So, I think this is more systematic than anything. I'll ask you, you're coaching at Roots. Do you do enough defending when you're training your players at the Roots? Do you think you do enough? When you think about the training, that the individual or team? Here, the individual first. Yeah. Do you do enough? No, no chance. There's no chance, because I go watch, I go watch, and I have this frustration with goalkeepers, and I see the same thing as centerbacks. Nowadays, when you talk about a goalkeeper, you're like, man, look how good he is with his feet. I'm like, well, okay, he could be good with his feet, but can he save the ball? This argument for me started 15 years ago at Vincent Company. I had this argument on the radio. Well, Guy called in and said, oh, Vincent Company, he's so good. Such a great defender. World class, look how good he is with his feet. And I'm like, hold on. Vincent Company is good because he reads the game, he wins aerial duels, he wins duels on the ground, right? He's in good positions all the time. He cuts out lanes, and by the way, he's a really good passer of the ball. But we look at it differently, right? We look at the game differently. Everybody's got to play, goalkeepers got to play. Centerbacks got to be great with the ball, right? And then we go to a training. Go to a training and all of a sudden, you're like, you watch the training, all it is is from the goalkeeper to the center back to the right back and you're building, right? You're never defending in trainings, never. So that's why I ask you, you as a centerback who takes pride in it, probably do more of that than most people, and you probably don't do enough of it at your trainings. Imagine the team that doesn't care about defending. Did you just come back to acting, right? Well, the same thing for goalies, right, Tony? All right, goalie's phenomenal. Okay, his distribution, he can, he can play over the top. Hey, he's up, he's supporting the midfielders. He's like an act of defensive midfielder. Forget sweeper keeper. What about the save? Chuck, I have a rebound. I have a friend whose kid is in the academy system. I will get a text on a Tuesday night or a Wednesday night or a Thursday night, and it literally will go 32. That's what he'll text me, 32. You know what that means? 32 minutes, the goalkeepers were trained. He was a goalkeeper. The goalkeepers were training that they didn't, before they touched the ball with their hands. Wow. And then he'll text me the next week, 48. What 48 minutes did he touch the ball with their hands? Like literally, that's the text I will get is a number. And he doesn't have to say anything. I know exactly what the number is. The number is. It took that long. His kid's not a goalkeeper. He was a goalkeeper, so he's watching the goalkeepers all the time. And it's, it's, it's, it drives me crazy, man. Yeah, it drives me crazy. Yeah. All right, we're going to take our first break of the show. That was the longest first segment in the history of, call it what you want. But man, we had a great time while doing it. So keep it right here. We'll be right back with more of the good stuff. All right, the flip side of having a long segment is that we need to have shorter segments here on the back half. Here's what we're doing. Okay, we talked about it a little bit at the top. We're doing this kind of working title beyond the eye test. Okay, it's kind of where we're at, but we're open to suggestions for how we should name this segment moving forward. We think it's a really important segment, especially because we're at the start of a new cycle in a Marista Pochettino. And we want to work with you, the call it what you want community, to figure out what actually makes a good USman's national team player. Okay, so rather than relying solely on goals and assists and kind of what we see on the field, we wanted to build our own framework with your help for analyzing and evaluating players. And then we're going to use Yudas Musa as our first example today. And then we can kind of use this as a frame of reference. So maybe in two years ahead of the Copa America when the roster is about to be announced, we can kind of reference some of these evaluations that we're doing. So kind of the framework that we're thinking right now is, and this is just, again, working, we're, we're workshopping with everybody brainstorming here. We have availability. So is he actually playing as kind of a starting point his role? What is his club's coach asking him to do? How does it potentially differ from Marista Pochettino execution is he actually performing the role being asked progression is his game improving translation. Does his skill set project to the USman's national team? It's kind of, there's some areas to of intangibles as well, but we kind of wanted to make a little bit more of a sophisticated evaluation so that we can really put a player through the ringer and say, hey, is this player going to be worth it for us in, in 2030, potentially the 2028 Copa America? And explain why it's important, Jimmy? Well, why it's important, yeah, the why is always the most important because we want to really get into the details and honestly, we're kind of getting into it as a defender. What we could use maybe a defender instead if we don't want to use new units, but I think Unis is a good example. The why is is because there's other elements in the game that maybe get glossed over because to your point, look at that 60 yard ping from the goalkeeper, we're getting maybe focused on things that are important, but maybe not as important as a goal assist. Those are important, those are final product decisions and having the ability to do that. Of course, that's what the game's about. It's going to be important, but can we add some layers to these metrics that can help us define the type of player we would like to see and what we're seeing overall? So let's go to you to see some particular. This guy started just five of 38 Serial matches last year with Adelanta, who he joined on loan from Milan at the start of the season. He played only 561 minutes in the league. Or a comparison, Wes and McKinney played in Serial last year for UVA and he played 2800 minutes over 30 starts. So, and then Unis Musa hasn't featured for the US in over a year, last taking the field in March 2025 in the Conquer Captionations League third place game against Canada. He was a sub in that one. And so it was interesting because now he's being trusted by Ruben Ammarine and I'll go to our resident Milan fan here, big tones about what you thought you saw from from Unis. I thought he did an excellent job setting up that first goal for Milan, had a nice turn in midfield. Actually demonstrated what I think makes him special, composure, under pressure and then taking the ball. He didn't necessarily pass him, but running with the ball to break the lines, he draws some attention as he's driving towards the top of the box lays it off to Rabio, who plays it back post. He's used it against Belgium, no? We could have used that against Belgium for sure. He used a lot of things against football. Yes. There's a lot of things there. And so I guess when we go through the availability and do you think he did what the coach was asking him to do? Did he execute that role for you, big tones? Do you think his game is improving? I know it's only one game. What are you using this as an example? Do you think he could have helped us, the USman's national team, because of availability he checked. He played all 90 minutes in that first game for Milan. Yes. So I'll say it. I'll do the last one first. Do I think he could have helped us with the US team? And I'm assuming we're talking about the World Cup and the answers no. Because I think his confidence was so low at that time. He didn't play. He wasn't sharp. His passing wasn't crisp. And you know how it goes when you're just not on the field, right? All every part of your game drops a little bit. So my answer to June of 2026 is no, because I didn't think he was there. Do I think he should be involved now? I would be very surprised that he's not involved. That he's not given another chance, especially given his age. The fact he's already been part of World Cup availability. He's always been there. His role within the weekend, at least I think he did everything that Ruben Amarim has asked him to do, which throws me back a couple of weeks because we were talking about him. And the idea was that Ruben Amarim and what we were reading that he liked him, he wanted to keep him around. We didn't know if it would be for, hey, let me play him. Let me put him in the shop window and see if maybe we can move him. It seems more than that right now with Ruben Amarim, right? I didn't like the partnership with Jashari who, I think his passing numbers look good, but I'm not a fan of his game, right? Because I think it's a lot of stuff that doesn't get you to the next level in the attack where that's really what they brought him in for. So I thought Eunice did a good job of covering balance. He's not going to get credit for how many lanes he cut off. I think he only had like three or four recoveries in the middle of the field. Oh man, he got in those moments where you get in the lane and you make the guy in front of you make a pass that he doesn't want to make, somewhere that's not dangerous. He don't get credit for those. I thought he did that. So what are the, so availability, good role, yes, execution of the role, yes, progression. I would have to say yes, Jimmy, for sure, because this is already a different Eunice Musa than we saw for most of last year. And then the last one, does his skill set project to the U.S. men's national team? I think it does. He's a guy that needs to play with confidence though and has to have the confidence of the manager. It seemed chucked to me. The minute Marie Chopo-Chutino gave him a challenge and I know the gold cup and missing that. That was maybe an obstacle he couldn't get over, but I'm just talking about performance. His performance seemed to sink a little bit for me at the end of last year. I hope he gets all of that back much in the way, like I hope Jimmy the way it gets it back. So Chuck, before you get started, I kind of want to frame this up for you in a way, like what do you need to see from Eunice Musa? I assume there's consistency, so we can use that as kind of a foundation, but consistently see from Eunice Musa to kind of make it like it's undeniable. We have to call him in, because we've seen performances from players and they've done it over a long stretch of, you have to call a guy in, he's just been way too good. Where do you see him fitting into that and how do you or what elements do you need to see from him to make that happen for Eunice? Well, I go back to the World Cup in 2022, Qatar, and his performance against England was incredible. Again, that was a young player. We're saying he's touching the surface of his potential, right? There's a long way to go. So that's why I think most of us footballers, guys who wore the jersey and the kit and represent in our country knew what kind of player this guy could be. But he hasn't evolved and where he needed to evolve, what we were hoping to see from him is the decision making in the final third, but the execution in the final third. So the line breaking passes, the key passes, some goal contributions, some goals. We've seen him in spurts with the national team, shots from outside, hitting the crossbar. I go back to that Brazil friendly that we played, some really good actions in the attacking third, but nothing has been consistent. So that's what we've been waiting for, what we're hoping. But going back to last year, we got to get back to just the Eunice Musa we saw in that guitar world cup, which is just being consistent, picking up second balls, being an option when he's on the ball, dribbling through pressure, then finding the next guy who then can make something happen in the attacking third. But we just want to see Eunice Musa get back to that player, which is one that is full of confidence and he's playing every week. So I think that's where we're starting with Ruben Armerum in Milan. He feels that he's got the manager's trust. For me, I think the message of playing 90 minutes and not being substituted means that you're doing your job and we can count on you to be a guy who's a 90 minute player for us. That's massive. That gives you a real boost. So we're talking about is he actually playing so far? It looks like that's what he's going to be asked to do and that the coach is going to kind of look at him as a number eight, which I think is his best position, centrally, someone who can check in his own defensive third, which we saw in this, this first game against Torino away from home, check, turn, dribble and get into the attacking half. That's not too many players can do that for us. That's a unique quality. But again, you have to be confident. You got to be playing to Tony's point to be informed so that you'd be selected. But I want to see him evolve from even being in that player and hopefully under Ruben Unram, he can do that. Yeah. Milan play Vanessia at home on Friday, Paramount Plus. That should be a good game. First game of the season at home at the San Ciro. He actually answered this question at the end of the game against Torino, the Unismoose. He said, he got asked, you played as a midfielder today, where do you prefer to play? His answer, I thought, was interesting. He said, it depends on the opponents. I play where there's space. Today I had fun playing in the middle. Usually there's no space, but today I felt comfortable. What I find interesting about that, and if I was working with Unis in particular, is, well, you're in a position to create the space that you're looking for, right? And so I would try to emphasize that that doesn't matter where you play on the field. There's always going to be tight. How do we figure out a way for you to create space? Everybody, by the way, everybody likes space. Let me, let's be honest with that. I've never met a player that says, I don't like space, but put me in the middle with five, six defenders around me. What I would like to see from him is a little bit more line-breaking passes from a deeper spot. When I think about where he could potentially fit in, if we stick with the back three, which I, too, would prefer given the makeup of our team. If you put him in the bottom of the box next to, let's say Tyler Adams, it's with double sixes, he has the ability to potentially run and break the lines. He did it in that, with that first goal against Trino this past weekend. I don't want him to ever lose that, so it's a, it's a gift, right? He glides. He said, you want to back three, it's going to be a four to three one, just like that. Oh, there's no question. Yeah, yeah. It's no question. And, you know, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm bracing myself for it. Okay. But what, but what I think unises, where unises game could potentially elevate is having that ability to potentially kill the ball. Can you hit that, that big kind of quick switch over to the other side? Can he, can he maybe find that split pass a little bit quicker as opposed to having feeling like he needs to run through that space every time? And again, I shouldn't say run, the guy glides, but, but these are the elements that I think would just make him more dynamic and harder to defend overall when he's in tough situations because he's always got an outlet, right? The best midfielder we've always played with or against always have three different options and usually pick the best one up the three and, and he needs to develop that. Can he do it under Emory? We're going to have to wait and see. But anyway, that's kind of the new segment. We wanted to get into details, take deeper dives of these players. We'll get, we'll take a look at all of your comments right now and if you want to hit us up on social media, hit us up at Gloss America as well and give us your feedback on what you think we can do to help kind of build a framework about evaluating players as we start this World Cup cycle. And that way we can continue to put these guys through the ringer to make sure we're really giving them a 360 view on what they're capable of. All right, we're going to take our last break of the show. When we come back, it's one we want to dive into, we've been looking forward to it. It's the new MLS playoffs that are being proposed and, uh, yeah, I want kind of curious to see if you like it or if you don't, so keep it right here. All right, welcome back into the show. Stretch run here. I'll call it what you want. I'm Conradinho alongside, check chasing Chuck and big tones. And there has been a new proposal out there for the MLS playoffs, it would start in the sprint season that's coming up at the beginning of 2027. It would start when the calendar changes and we go from fall to spring as opposed to spring to fall like we've been doing and that's going to be aligned with the European calendar. So I guess I should give kind of an overview of this, but the MLS has changed playoff structures. I don't know how many times, but 20 teams are going to qualify. Okay, there's going to be one combined table to determine these 20 teams. From there, there's going to be an 18 playing round. Okay, so, so you'll have eight teams of those 20 that go into a playing round, there'll be four winners of that one and the four winners then meet up with the other 12 and now you've got a round of 16, okay, the top eight, okay, if you're with me, hopefully you're still hanging on here, everybody, top eight, play a double elimination round. So essentially, if you're the top eight seeds of those 20, then you have to lose twice to get knocked out. Now, if you lose that first game, the teams get receded every round. So, so if you win, let me say this like this, if you win in that round of 16, then you move on to the quarter final, but if you lose and you're one of the top eight teams, you get another crack at it and let's say an eight seed wins somewhere else and you're the one seed, but you lost that first one, then, then you get to take on the eight seed and then host that one. If you lose that one, then you're out double elimination. So Jimmy, let me get this correct. Let's just say there's 30 teams right now, entire Eastern Westcrumbs, 30 teams. Yes. One of those teams make the playoffs. Yes. That's one of the pros and cons. That's a big, big con, 20, 20 teams would make it. We're looking at a graphic right now here that I don't think they should ever show ever. It's so complicated that actually when I, when I went through it and I'm kind of laughing and you can kind of tell my toe and like, what are we doing? But there's certain parts of it that I don't mind. And however, but however, 20 teams making it out of 30 is just that shouldn't happen. Disgusting. So also we should mention that they're talking about going to five divisions, okay, but but it doesn't matter where you finish in the division. If you're in the top 20 on a single table, so that's a con for me too. Like this just feels really complicated. You know, MLS said, Hey, thanks world. We'll take it from here after the World Cup and this, I don't know where we're taking it, but this feels really complicated. I, I just feel like the top eight teams should just be in. That should just be eight. Yes. Only eight. Like 20. That's 20's a lot. That's everybody gets a chance. That's what it feels like. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Hold on. Before I get to big tones, who I know is ready to jump in on this. I do have a couple, so pros and cons. I do have a couple of pros, okay. One is a shorter playoffs. It's just three weeks in total. Finish on Sunday, May 21st from what we understand. That, that, that's great. Big bro. Package it in a really nice like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, champion. Love that. Now, we've been sitting through a FIFA window forever and that just kills all the momentum of the playoffs. So, so I like that. And obviously the calendar change helps that too. I like, I like that you're making changes to reflect finishing positions in the regular season. Okay. If we're going to make the playoffs the ultimate be all in this, whatever, we're not going to single table, blah, blah, blah. And then I like that there's something in place that if you lose a game and you're one of the top eight seeds, if we're still 20 teams here, which is a con, 20 teams, that there's still kind of a mechanism in place and I like the receding that, okay, even if you lose that one, you still have an advantage in some ways. Now also, this is really Australian rules football. They've been doing it forever and people love it. They've been doing it for decades, this double elimination thing and people love it. But they only have eight teams, big tones, only eight teams make it. So that puts the emphasis on the regular season as well. I don't think we should have 20 teams. I'll start there. Yeah, so let me throw out one other positive, if you will. You mentioned the three weeks, I like that. The other positive is there's less games in this playoff than we're having in this years playoff, the current format. The current format goes, you'll have anywhere with that, with that two out of three series from 25 to 33 games. This one will have 23 games no matter how it plays out, no matter who wins. Then you win with that double elimination round. So that part I like a lot, the shortness, the brevity of it. I don't like 20 teams in general, my brain just inherently thinks of eight or 16. That's the only way I can really rationalize, and I'm a single elimination guy. Let's just make, let's give it jeopardy all the time. The higher seed is the team that plays at home, that's your bump right for being good during the season. You get to play at home, if you're the number one seed, clearly you get to play at home all the way through the competition if you last, right? I like the receding of it, but the 20 teams out of 30 just doesn't feel right to me. Had I known Jimmy that every year MLS was going to change the playoffs, I would have applied for a job like 15 years ago at MLS, being this dude, whoever he's never going to be out of business. That's the chance all the time. I say that jokingly, obviously, but we do change all the time. I just hope we, if this is it, let me get used to this, let me learn this. Let me go, okay, in 2030, this is the way it's going to go. We've done it now for three years. I know what it's going to look like every year, I feel like we have an explainer for what the new playoffs are for. Because they're never good. That's why we change it every year. We got to get to something, don't you worry, have you something to get to work? The worst part about the current system in the format is because we've always had to deal with these international breaks in the middle of the playoffs, which then we always get to a point where it's maybe the semi-finals of the playoffs, people are like, oh, the MLS has the playoffs now. I thought that was over a couple of weeks ago. No, that was just the first round and then we took a massive break and then there was a second round and then we took a big break. I'll never forget in 2021, when the Rebs were the number one seed in Bruce Arena, had the record for the supporters show at the Rebs, they had like a three week layoff in the middle of playoffs in New York City FC, beat some, upset some and then wins a MLS Cup. But if we went just simple as more, simple as just effective, if we can just make this really easy and eight teams. So there's more emphasis on the league on the top eight teams or like 16 is even for me a lot. But if you said, hey, eight from the east, eight from the west, even though it's single table, that makes sense fine. But 20 teams, the majority of the teams are playoff teams. Let's be real. I mean, you could be as the kids would say, you could be mid or sus and still make the playoffs, which yeah, it's not acceptable. Is there a world's, humor me here, is there a world where, okay, I'm going to leave playoffs out of it. This made me, I rarely get into Euro snob territory, but could we go a single table? Top four make the Conquer Cap Champions Cup. The next six, you could say the next six to eight, if you want, can go to league's cup. Everybody plays open cup. So you didn't need just to eliminate playoffs. So you have single table and then you went off stop now, you know, that's not going to I know. I know. But I'm like, I'm trying the other way. Jimmy, the more you're going to go to leagues cup, unless you're going to go to US Open Cup. I think if you reverse it, everybody has to play US Open Cup. That's like our domestic cup competition, but we're not, we're not doing that, right? That's not where we're at. But if you limited the game, like if you didn't have playoffs and you could stretch out that the schedule a little bit and then and then what happens on the bottom, the bottom was for like bottom five. What's the penalty? Yeah, well, that's, yeah, I don't know what the penalty is. I mean, obviously promotion relegation is the low hanging. We will have that in place. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know. For me, there are have to be some sort of penalty. Yeah, the yeah, sure. Maybe there's a maybe you lose a million dollars in your salary cap. Oh, that's the first noise. If wow, to change, you like it. Is that mean they like it, right? That's it. I don't know me. I don't know if there's a financial, well, if you hit the salary cap, then you're hitting the team double. Like you're, you're, you're basically, they're going to be, they're going to spend more money to get players, but we're going to take a million dollars away from them. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is. I mean, essentially they would lose money if they got relegated. They lose players that they got relegated. So the only way you put pressures, if the owners feel it, if you're, if you finish bottom four, and there's a real financial component to it, then there's going to be an emphasis not to finish on the bottom four bottom six were right now. What could be the penalty? Well, you look at these you, you look at these United right now, right? Or you know, or just some of the clubs in MLS where I'm watching and I'm going, there's no way that this, this ownership group cares. There is not, there's no way they would allow this to happen. There are some clubs that you watch right now in MLS and you go, they have, they have mailed it in. They are waiting for this club to get acquired or, or, you know, they're going to wait for that sale to happen because there is, there's no way that they care with that product. That, that exists right now. There are some clubs that I go, there's no way that they care watching them play. That is, that is, that is, couldn't be more true when I watch the league. Some, some teams get it. There's a real pressure. I'm watching it. There, then there are some that you go, oh, hell no. They're bringing this league down. I don't know what they're, I don't really know what it could be in terms of punishment, but it could be like the reverse bus ride. You know, when that, when champions go, they get the bus ride through the city. Maybe you do that, but you get to throw like eggs and tomatoes and, and crap with the players. They have, and the owner, as they have to walk down the middle of the street, you know, there's got to be some type of, of shame. Do you want to have shame with that? Yeah, what, what, what is the punishment? That's what you have to come up with. There's got to be something to figure that out. By the way, to my single table. So let's make the links. Cup the Europa League. Can't, can't, can't, why can't we go to single table? If we're, if we're using the top 20 teams in the play, anyway, we're already using, but have we, have we not enjoyed playoff? So have, have you, what's in? I don't enjoy playoffs. Why, once it gets single elimination, I love it. I think the playoffs have been great. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the, the, the final between LAFC and Philadelphia, the MLS Cup final was one of the best games I've ever seen. And I was alive. The top eight teams and that's the playoffs. Yes, we could do the same thing applies. If you're, your top four, you get to go to ConquerCalf Champions Cup, you know, and then, and, and have it be that way. So we still get the playoffs. So you still get MLS Cup. But then there's real, there's a real winner in terms of if you get to that top four threshold, every club's getting an X amount of money. And you get to go play in the, the next big champions cup. And then maybe there's a Copa liberadora is like bid. Like if you, if you finish top two, you get to go to Copa liberadora's, you know, like, and then if you're bottom four, there's got to be a real penalty for me. I don't know what you play. You play in nothing next year. You just play in the league. You don't play an open cup. You don't get to play in leagues cup. I, I don't know, I'm just throwing out suggestions. But there's, there's got to be some jeopardy for you to say, okay, you finish in the bottom four, you don't get to do X or you don't get X. I don't know what it is. We got 8,000 mechanisms in the league. I'm sure we can figure out something, right? But there's got to be a penalty for those teams. All right. Let's get Larry Berg, we're going to welcome Larry Berg into the show. Now, a new commissioner at Larry Berg, we'll have to have him on the show at some point. And hopefully you can, you can dive into some of these details with us. But that's it. I wanted to show thanks for hanging out with us as always. We've got two shows this week. So we'll be back with you on Thursday. It'll be more of a preview of the upcoming weekend for Americans, the brats and other leagues kicking into gear. Should be a lot of fun as always. And we'll try to solve this, this punishment for the player, the teams on the bottom of, of MLS moving forward. But if you've got any suggestions, again, hit us up. Social media are here in the chat, whatever you want. And yeah, have a good couple of days. Enjoy those games on Paramount Plus, Champions League, Serie A, all the good stuff. You failed championship. And that's it. Thanks for hanging out. Later. I'll see you in the next one. I'll see you in the next one. I'll see you in the next one. I'll see you in the next one. 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