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Welcome to the Tonal Soccer Show and the Glorious Return of Listener Questions. Today's episode we're asking which soccer teams are smart? How well great club coaches adapt to national team gigs, the least cool Premier League teams, and so much more strapping everybody, my name is Ryan Bailey joining me today. The Taylor Watquell, the original ones here. Hi, Taylor, how are you? I'm doing well, Ryan Bailey. I hope on the original one. There might be other ones. I feel like there's probably been other Taylor Rockwells before, but I appreciate that I'm at least the original for you in your beautiful backdrop, Miami Villa. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. As noted yesterday, I'm in Miami for a conference, and if you're watching on the YouTube's behind me, I have the deluxe view of the end-new stadiums, still haven't looked up what end-new is, I don't care to, but I thought we'd just have to do a new metal. If you look closely enough, you can see the gold statue of Fred Darce that you were talking about yesterday. Yeah, so a lot of the stadium is under construction, and there is a bit out the front which has got tops on it. I assume Darce is topped right now because I haven't seen him, but he's precious cargo. You can't just unveil that. There's going to be crowds. It's going to be a whole thing. That's it. Yeah, yeah, he did it all for the end-to-miami, etc. Excellent. Greg Rubin, hello. How are you? I'm good, Ryan Bailey. I'm a little bit jealous that you're at new stadium. It looks like an excellent stadium. I've read a lot about the building site around it, also the cage that they're keeping the sacks, the fire, the Lionel Messi managers, the managers that me Lionel Messi has fallen out of, I believe that's part of the building site as well. A patreon? They're doing that on that specific cage. Greg, wouldn't you like to know that's in the works? Wouldn't you like to know that? I can give you a full preview. I'm in the hotel literally directly opposite, as you can see from my view, but it's a very long walk away because there's a sort of canally thing between here and the stadium, and it's very hot here. So, um, canals. How very European. I thought you were going to say like a 10-lane freeway or something. It does have a freeway running next to it for the ride. Fast food avenue. Yeah. And on the opposite side of this hotel is the airport. So it's a very, it's a lovely little spot they've got here. One of the nicest areas of Miami, I would suggest. Joe Lowry, hello. How are you? Hey, I'm great. I don't know, man. That canal feels like a, when life gives you lemons, make lemonade situation. It's a hot day. You got to get to the new stadium. Cool off in the canal, man. On the way. It's going to save you time. You're going to feel better. It's a conversation starter for when you actually get in there. Honestly, it feels like just a home run all the way around. Yeah. You're right. Path, at least resistance to the stadium is directly through the canal. Should probably do that. Should probably, uh, try and we know you got that swimming background. You're going to, you're going to nail it. Yeah. I'm sure. I'm an EPA. I haven't flagged anything that's in that water. I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure jump into a canal. I'm so flora. I got flora, though. There'll be no ashes there for you at all. If the crocodiles can live in there, anybody can. Right. I mean, come on, guys. Crocodiles, the saltwater joke. Come on. Come on. No, I got 50, 50. I hate it. Sometimes shooters got a shoot, man. I went up. I shot. You don't, you're not going to make a shot. You don't take that time. You don't, you don't think you were going to get one over a aquarium boy, did you? Yes. Come on. I didn't know if that extended to reptilian facts, though. I guess, I guess. Yes. Yes. Yes. Now, you know, now, you know, one more boring thing about the hotel, I bet. I picked this hotel because they were supposed to be a direct pedestrian bridge across to the stadium, which will get you there in minutes. They only bring it out for match days. It's some kind of floating bridge. It's not there. Incredible. Like, you're us out. Incredible. Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I forgot about that. There we go. Having a lovely time in Florida right now. It's not sweaty at all, but we're going to get to our list of questions very shortly. Indeed, before we get there, we have a Patreon everybody patreon.com slash total soccer show is where you'll find it. You'll get bonus episodes, including but not limited to quiz, quiz, quiz. We've got a quiz coming up on the feed very shortly, indeed, and so much more. Do join us there patreon.com slash total soccer show also access to our discord server. All of the cool kids. Yes. Yes. All of the cool kids are in there. Do join us there. Excellent stuff. Some of the cool kids have contributed some questions to this episode, including Brian guy, who says, are there any footballers that are on another level for a specific skill or tactic that was then broadly adopted by the next generation and changed the way the game is played to build on the basketball discussion of a few weeks ago. Reggie Miller and Ray Allen drain three's like it was any other jump shot, but were largely anomalies. Steph Curry and the Warriors took that to the next level and changed the league's tactics and player development. Graham, my mind immediately goes to a certain Dutchman who did a turn that some changed. He had a move named after him, but I'm not sure if that completely fits Brian guy's question here. I mean, I think he probably does. I mean, I've gone for players that I watched just because I find that easier to judge and I never watched you're in Christ, but by all accounts, one of the most transformational figures in soccer history, both as a player and a manager in terms of how he viewed the game. I'm going to name one player who I think is the most transformational player of the modern era, someone that I watched, someone who was, it's not John again, by the way, as much as I want to make that argument. I think it's Brazilian Ronaldo. I think he is the single most transformational player of the modern era when you watch video of him when he was at his absolute physical peak in the 90s, like late 90s around the bit at the time of the 98 World Cup, maybe even slightly before that. It's like watching someone from 20 years later being dropped into Hardman 90s Wimbledon era like soccer. It's like he's playing on fast forward compared to the other players around him, and I think it just changed expectations of just the general speed of the game that he played at. I mean, you can draw a line from, but I guys talk about like Regimella, I know enough about basketball, to know these are basketball players. You can draw a line from like Regimella and Real and to Steph Curry. Well, you can draw a line from Ronaldo to him, Bappie. And I just think like we now accept that currently players are, they're just more physical, they're faster and stronger than players of past eras. I really don't know about that with Ronaldo. He was something completely different at the time. I feel like if you dropped peak Eira Ronaldo into the modern game, he would probably look at home. So he, for me, is the single most transformational player of the modern era. I like that. Is it just me that when I say Regimella, I think of Roger Miller, the Cameroonian striker of the 90s? You're so soccer-brained. Yeah. I was waiting for myself. Yes. Yes, is the answer. I'll speak for myself and I guess for you Ryan. I had the same thing we're for a minute when I read this question. I thought Roger Mela and thought like, did he, was he transformation on me? I guess he did the dance around the corner from the dice. That was kind of transformation. I don't know. But you probably was. Did anyone else feel like a lot of this, the answer to this question is more managerial than player? Because that's kind of like, and maybe, and maybe that's the same for the NBA as well. But I feel like there were a lot of managers who tried a thing or adjusted a thing to one individual player. And then that kind of took the world by storm. Pep Guardiola is a prime example of that you're can clop the same. But in terms of like individual players, I have a couple. And again, these are, well, one of two of them are experienced-based. One of them is not. Philip Lomb is like, I feel like my first introduction that I can recall to a right back becoming a central midfielder and vice versa. And the idea of moving from a right back into a center mid and giving you the kind of like three two two three shape or three two five shape was innovative when Pep did it at Bayern Munich. Maybe that was the thing that had happened more often at Barcelona when Pep was there. But I don't really remember that. I remember it being a Philip Lomb thing because he was so good on the ball. Yeah. How do you get another midfielder in there? Well, Barcelona was done in orbit, right? So very different sort of right back. So I greet Taylor Light Bayern was kind of the first time I think he really leaned into that. And I guess I didn't realize this, but maybe Bayern are just innovators across the board because another player and where I thought you were going for a moment, Graham, when I think of inverted wingers, there is one who comes most readily to mind and that would be Aryan Robin. And everybody knew what he was going to do, start on the right, cut inside onto his left, shoot. And even when you knew who was going to do it, even when you set up to defend it, he still did it and still scored goals. And I think of him as being like a prototype inverted winger where it was like his skill set and what he was so good at work so effectively that maybe other teams then started to utilize it. But again, I'm not sure that's like necessarily a one player did it. And then everybody kind of thought about, hey, that's a good idea. But he is the most high profile example of that. For me, I think a player who was a bit of a trailblazer on an individual basis. And again, not one that I watched personally is Franz Beckinbauer. And the idea of turning the liberal role from a sweeper and like an outright defensive player into a more freedom to attack, freedom to roam sort of role that I think does kind of lead to the idea of the more modern ball playing center back or a defender who's going to be on the ball more and be more of a focal point in distribution and chance creation. That does feel like one individual player sort of paved the way for a lot of others who came behind. Yeah, Beckinbauer always gets mentioned right as the first sort of modern. Oh, sorry. I didn't realize he was always mentioned. John, I was getting you praise. I was getting you praise. I was also getting fruit Taylor. I was always. Well, I was going to give you praise for Arun Robyn as well. Obviously, I took it in the sort of physical way with Ronaldo. I hadn't thought of even though in Brigha's question, he talks about like the tactical side of it, hadn't given a lot of thought to that. But when I was when I was growing up, and I'm sure it's the same for maybe not so much for Joe, he was brought up in the era of inverted wingers, but I'm sure it was the same for you Taylor and Ryan as well. When I was growing up playing soccer, like if you were left footed and you were a winger, you played on the left wing. And if you were right footed and a winger, you played on the right wing. And then that's somewhere along the line that got that got completely inverted. And so I don't know where that started, but Arun Robyn is as good a show as any for someone who popularized out. Yeah. Robin was on my list. Lam was also on my list. And I'll do one more like of those kinds of examples. I don't think we've seen this trend reach its fullness. And I'm not sure when we will. But I think it was John Stones at Manchester City becoming a central midfielder and moving from center back to central midfield that that is a positional mid game switch that we just don't see a lot of now into Milan as a team that does some of that, especially in build up where they will sort of invert, but in a different way. So outside the inside, it's deeper to higher. Like that's their inversion. They'll invert center backs into the midfield at times during those deeper possession moments. I think there's still maybe more innovation that can happen there. Although I don't think in this version of where soccer is going, we're going to see it. I think it's like another iteration away from where we are now. Well, right now it's it's physicality and defense and those sorts of things. I think it's an interesting question because Steph Curry in basketball, in arguably transformative, right? He just started scoring and notching points in different ways. And in soccer, you can't really do that, right? Like it's not as if no one's thought, hey, let's shoot from further and like, let's get really good at it. Like Steph Curry, you can't really do that in soccer. It's way harder to score a goal. There's no there's no ideas here. I think that haven't already been thought of in terms of like mechanics to score goals. Steph Curry's innovation was that he was going to be really good at shooting the ball from far away. That just doesn't apply one for one. So I was trying to think of something that that did apply more than just like a stylistic element, right? And the player that I landed on as being maybe somewhat transformative like Steph Curry or the closest thing I can get to was Gabrielle at Arsenal, the poster boy of Arsenal set piece Tom Follery. He scored, I think it's seven goal contributions last season for Arsenal in the Premier League. Just an absolute monster on those set pieces. It does feel like the set piece revolution is still upon us and it's going to continue to evolve maybe to the point where soccer has to change rules to actually compensate for it. I think Gabrielle is maybe the best analogy for Steph Curry, even across sports, even doing it in a very, very different way, much more shack than Steph Curry in terms of how he plays his sport. But I think I think there's something there that draws a line between those two players in terms of finding different ways to score outside of set pieces. I don't think there's much innovation left on that front. You can draw a line from Gabrielle to Neil Pierre who's going to take that to the extreme ones he reaches for his potential. Two other names I'll throw into the hat. Similarly to Beckham Bauer, Taylor, can we put Francesco Totti in the mix in the Tricartista role in something he's sort of really made his own sort of running down the centre. Number 10 who goes forward. I think I'd argue that he, well, I suppose many people have done it since, but that's a role he made his own. The other name I will throw in here is probably the biggest name in the game, Leo Messy. What about Leo Messy as a false nine at Barcelona? Did he know? I thought of that. I thought of that, but I just, it felt wrong to name like, you're not drawing a line from Leo Messy to anyone because nobody does it better than Leo Messy. So it doesn't feel like the start of anything, but yeah, I did think of that Ryan in terms of like strikers were always, at least when I was growing up, strikers were always strikers. And it feels like we've sort of swung back towards that a little bit with players like Erling Halland. But yeah, it opened the mind to how you could interpret that possession for sure. It felt like that was pretty intrinsically linked with Spain doing it, right? Yes, that's right, yeah. Is that a thing you say to your child, Graham? Like in my day, strikers were strikers. That feels like a proper old school football man. That's me. Yeah, old school football man. And they're back. Let's see it. Yeah. There we go. Can I give you a couple more names just very quickly? I think we're back to Carlos and Kaffee. We're pretty transformational as fullbacks before them. It's fullbacks are in the team just to defend. And obviously those two players were very attacked, mind-aed and were a one-man wing down either side. And you can kind of draw a line to like Danny Alves and Marcelo and then other non-Brazilian fullbacks, I guess, like Alexander Arnold. I know he plays that possession differently, but still I think you can draw that line. Akka for Kimi as well. I think comes from that lineage lineage as well. And then finally, we're naming a lot of bottom-unit players on this in this question. But manual lawyer, I think, has the case for being the most influential goalkeeper. That's who I thought Taylor was going to initially before Elgin Robin. But he opened the mind to what a modern goalkeeper could be, right? So he was never the absolute best. I mean, he's still playing manual lawyer, but he's never been the absolute best with the ball his feet in terms of his passing range. But the fact that he was just like doing more as a sweeper keeper, I think that then leads to Ederson and like other ball-playing goalkeepers as well. I like that. That's very good. Is there a keeper who became the guy with his feet that all others followed as well? I'm trying to think of that. Is it Ederson? I'm not sure. Maybe it goes back further. I mean, Ederson's the best, I think Ederson's the best of all time with his feet. I don't know if anyone has kind of built on that law after him. So maybe that's happening. Excellent. Maybe so. We shall see. Brian Guy, thank you very much for your question. We're going to take a quick pause when we come back. We're talking about smart clubs and dumb clubs. We're talking about Brexit. Yay! And we're talking about club coaches going to national gigs and so much more. Join us then. Total soccer show. Welcome back to our list of questions. Everybody, a work of art has put this one in our discord. Love that handle. There's been talk on the podcast of clubs like Breadford and Brighton, aka Brightford, trademarked, being the smart clubs in the Premier League, which European clubs would you consider to be in that group of smart clubs? Is there a spectrum? And are there dumb clubs that sign players based on whimsy rather than data? Well, Taylor, I can think of some dumb clubs in the Premier League, but maybe we'll get one plus your heart possible. I'm not going to lie. I am going to interrupt you. It does feel like some of these questions you chose specifically to hurt me. And I feel like this is one of them. So thank you for that, right? Was that you or the chip on your shoulder talking, Taylor? Who was it? I mean, both at the same time. One doesn't exist without the other. So here we are. Yeah, I mean, we'll get to dumb clubs and the club that I support and enjoy being one of them. But I'll start on a more positive note. Like, this is a, like, I'm starting off with maybe a strange one, but I'd let it go Madrid for as many mistakes as they have had more recently. I had long thought of them as absolutely a selling club, where a club that was, was going to buy, even if they had to spend a little bit of money, buy assets to then utilize and then flip for even more money. And then at a certain point, kind of moved away from the identity of being a selling club, I think the new stadium, their sustained successes. And so like, they might not be an example of a smart club in the line of Brighton and Brentford, but I think with how they've managed to establish themselves as like more of a big three in Spain, it's still certainly a big two. But I think that it's more of a conversation than it used to be Barcelona and Ramadrid. And then everybody else. And now it feels like it's Barcelona or Ramadrid. Then I'd let he, then everybody else. So in that way, I think that is a sign that they've had a lot of stability and success. Closer to Brighton and Brentford, I would put somebody like levercusen consistently in the Champions League. They finally won the title, but they make profit on basically every acquisition that I could find, like seemingly every time. And that can be for like one or two million pounds. It can be like significantly more than that. And it can also be when it comes to youth products that they brought through. Florian Verts, a prime example of that one, comes to the Academy 125 million euros later. That Academy is looking pretty good. Julian Brent, I think they bring him in as a youth for 500,000 euros. They sell him for 25 million euros. Young and Song, Hakan Chalanoğlu, Chitarito, you can go through the list. There are more and more of them, including Alex Gromaldo, who is this summer sold to Athletical Madrid. See, it's all a symbiotic relationship. But I think for levercusen to have a kind of state where they've been and then finally be able to kick on and challenge for the title and ultimately win the title. I think that does kind of prove that their model has been working. Dortmund and Leipzig, I think from Germany would also be on that list as well. One other kind of outlier and then I'll stop talking. FC Michelin in Denmark, like I think it's the ownership model. I think they're one of the earliest ones to fully embrace analytics and go all in on using analytics both for performance and scouting. But the way they've been able to identify talents and bring them through and then sell them on the relationships they've been able to establish them with other partner clubs means that I think that they've been able to make even more money and have an even wider net than you would assume they would for a relatively small club in Denmark, who then are able to compete regularly for the title or challenge for like the top of the table in Denmark when it doesn't seem like they would be able to otherwise. Yeah, Michelin were on my list. I love that shout. I mean, the work that they've done to identify players and move them on and have success along the way. I think it's been very impressive. They were a Matthew Benham club until a few years ago. That's the Brentford owner. They signed and sold Osmond Idiomonday, Sorloff, Dolphbick. I mean, a couple of MLS's best players right now. They have moved through a lot of very, very good players and had success along the way. There's so many ways to think about this question. I think it's a fascinating question. What really is a smart club? I guess one way to think about smart is are they innovating? Are they doing something that other clubs aren't doing? In that vein, I think about the rise of data in soccer has been very prevalent over the last decade plus. I think about very data-driven clubs, clubs that factor as much clever information as they can in the decision-making process. I think about Union San Joa. I think about Hearts, like very data-driven Jamestown Analytics clubs, Jamestown Analytics owned by Tony Blumoo on the Brighton. Union San Joa is identified in sold Victor Boniface and Denny's Undav and the sold players to the Premier League and to the Bundesliga, etc. Hearts are sort of a mini example of that and maybe a more recent example of their rise. Clearly, they're using data to factor into recruitment to find undervalue players that they think can help them win and that they can help flip for more money and slowly, steadily rise into Scotland's elite along the way. You can say the same thing for Union San Joa and Belgium. I think that's one way to think about a smart club. Another way to think about a smart club is clubs that are doing things that are clearly leading to the same success. Think about Arsenal right now. I think they've done so much right in an era of chopping and changing so often at the top of the Premier League, which is I suppose just the name of the game in some ways. They have managed to do a lot of smart stuff, not just in terms of the recruitment, which has been largely very good, but also in terms of giving Michaela to time and establishing a club culture, which seems to be far more positive than some of their biggest rivals in the Premier League. Those are more intangible things, but I think really matter. I think about, I mean, now when I were sort of coming out the other side of it, but for Manchester City, giving Pep Guardiola so much license for so long, even though that's not like the hard and fast data numbers kind of stuff that I think about sometimes. Clearly, Pep Guardiola has a sense for these things. Clearly, Pep Guardiola has the ability to go out and make incredible decisions about how to win soccer games. It's a little harder to quantify, but using Pep Guardiola as something that's going to lead the success for your club is brilliant. Even if it's just his intuition, I even think about, you know, this is a silly example, and there's a lot of levels to this. But the San Jose earthquakes, letting Bruce Arena revive them, I mean, it's been brilliant. It's been incredibly effective for them. Bruce Arena, I don't think you give two rips about data whatsoever. But what Bruce Arena has is decades and decades of experience, and clearly an ability to suss things out with his own brain, and go and make decisions from there. That's not the kind of thing I could do, or maybe the exactly the decision I would make, but he has other inputs that I don't have. He has inputs that Magellan doesn't have. He has inputs that, you know, these other clubs don't have. And there are Bruce Arena's all over the world and their own, in their own spheres. So it's a fantastic question. I think you could go so many different ways with it, but those are some of the things I was thinking about when it comes to smart clubs. Greg, any thoughts? A few shots from me, Taylor and I did a soccer one-on-one episode, not so long ago on Como, and what they're doing at the moment. Obviously, a big part of what they're doing at the moment is the money that they have, not denying that. But their recruitment has also been on point, and they're using that money really smartly. They are targeting young players that they can develop. Players like Niko Paz, Martin Baterina, Maximo Perone. They obviously have chess Fabregas as well, whose stock continues to rise as one of the best young coaches working in Europe right now. And I very much see them as like the Bournemouth or the Brighton of Serie A. It's just that, I guess, they're elite in Serie A. They aren't as strong as they're elite in the Premier League. So Kobo, they might even be more than that. They might actually challenge for a Skieto at some point in the future. I wouldn't rule that out at all, I think that's a possibility. Another shout, I think Paris FC are also part of that same class of clubs in Le Gunn. They're slightly different in that they are part of the Red Bull pipeline, although not directly, as proven by the fact they're not Red Bull Paris. But they do have access to a wider multi-club system. But they're doing a really good job of finding young talent. They have Liam Resignor as their manager, who is still cringes anything. I don't know if anyone has seen the clip of him walking onto the field, listening to his music like Kendall Ryan's succession in the back of a taxi. But Resignor does have a good track record of bringing through young players. So I think they have a good or suitable manager in place there. And then finally, one last nomination from me, which is a bit of a preemptive one. Sevilla. Now, obviously for a long time, they were one of the best run clubs in Europe when they were winning the Europa League pretty much every single season. Their model then completely failed, and they started buying older players and nearly went bankrupt. Sevilla, the last two or three years they've been down in the doldrum. In fact, at doldrums, in fact, last year, they were fighting relegation. They have now since gone back to this old model of buying young and buying from some left field markets as well, like in Scandinavia. And they've started the season really well. They're sitting, I don't know what's still early in the season, but they're sitting fifth in the league, which is a massive improvement on last year. And I think they're well in their way to being back to what they did best in the past. So those are my three. Okay. And Taylor, should we come back to the dummies? I don't know if we have any continental nominees, but I think we were getting it as particular one in the Premier League. I also maybe suggest the team that is 20th in the Premier League as we record as well. It seemed that one, the transfer window, the train that won the transfer window with their 330, something million acquisitions. Yeah. I feel bad. I feel bad, including Tottenham, to be honest. I didn't have Tottenham on my list because it does feel like they were like the stick that people used to beat them for forever was like, you don't spend wisely. You don't spend much. You're really hesitant to reinvest. You really hesitant to sell players. And then they go out and do it. And now it's like, oh, look at all the money you spent. You guys are so wasteful. And it's a fair criticism. I just feel bad doing it, especially because there's many other reasons to criticize Tottenham and everything they're doing. Yeah. I do have a few clubs on here, the majority of which are in the Premier League. I want to start with one that I'm like, they have made me confident that I no longer understand what constitutes sound financial decision making and strategy. Our Chelsea well run or poorly run, poorly run, I think. Okay. But then they keep selling players for like twice what they paid for them. And those are players that we when they sign them were like, that's ridiculous. They're never recouping that. They're never making that money back. And then they somehow do. And I don't understand, Graham. Yeah, but they also finished 10th and apparently table last year. So it's not really leading to anything successful in a soccer sense, I guess, that I will accept like they made they seem to be coming out of the dark days of the the clear light bully model. And there may be been a little bit more logical about what they're doing. But we've yet to see like the tangible evidence of where that's going to lead. So I would still say they're a poorly run club. Yeah. I think Everton were on that list and maybe still are. It's unclear. But I think for the longest time under their old ownership, it was much more of a kind of scatter shop scatter shot last minute recruitment strategy. Sometimes the filling areas of need sometimes are kind of going through what they could get at a at a decent rate or amount. So like Everton there. But then I think new ownership. Maybe it's a little bit better. I'm not sure if I would put them into like the dummy category as opposed to the has a way of operating. It doesn't really change it category. Unlike Manchester United who are definitely I think near the top of the list for clubs that don't seem like they are particularly well run. And even when they do, we talked about it this summer. It seems like they finally have smarter heads behind the scenes making decisions and pulling pulling strings and making things happen. And yet it's the exact same Manchester United they've been for 13 seasons now or so. It doesn't feel like much has changed. It feels like recruitment continues to be a bit of a head scratcher and even when they do fill areas of need as they did this summer with with the center midfield. It seems like the now identified strategy has been we fixed one position at a time which is a bit of a head scratcher for me. So you fix the midfield one window next time it's the defense next time it's the attack and by the time you fix the attack the midfield that didn't work needs fixing again. And on goes the cycle leading to a team that looks pretty dysfunctional on the pitch. I mean over the last what like 13 years I certainly can't argue that Manchester haven't been probably the worst run big club in the world. Maybe the worst run big club we've ever seen in soccer to be to be honest. I will sort of I'll make the counterpoint in the last couple years things have improved like there I know this summer is a little bit confusing. A lot of information has come out in the last few days over the financial pressure that Manchester United have been under this summer and the fact that they spent £60 million to buy land for the new stadium. The fact that the glazer's debt is really limiting what they can do so that that means makes me feel a little bit better and understanding why their summer was the way that it was and why they were kind of scrambling around for value signings to rebuild their midfield and why they didn't go out and spend £70 million on loose haul. I think that's the big factor. And also like the couple windows before then like we all kind of accepted their summer transfer window the year before was pretty decent. The summer the January window they got like aid in heaven it just feels like Manchester United now are shopping in a different part of the super the transfer market supermarket I guess than the rest of the Premier League by accept that over the last 13 years they are their number one on this list I think more recently my nomination is West Ham who if you look through their signings over the last five years yes yes it's really grim stuff and the size of that club the stadium that they moved into all on this idea that it was going to push them into European competition and not the Premier League table know they're in the championship like I think more recently they've been the worst run club in the Premier League. Second in the championship as we record maybe top soon great great achievement for their witchbell it's their ceiling right now it's a ceiling right now that's all I say excellent stuff thank you very much a work of part we appreciate your question let's go to Videy our Scandinavian friend in the discord now Brexit is starting to not be a recent thing how's it affected recruitment among young players what effect does work permits have here do have we seen an increase in young players from Scotland and Wales etc going to English clubs for development as the cost of investment is less than to get a kid but also a family the right move to England it's interesting great something we don't really talk about that much the sort of the the visa and the the inhibiting nature of that kind of thing for player recruitment post Brexit yeah I mean that part certainly is under discussed I think there's maybe a divide in between England and Scotland on the sort of the recruitment of young players because this is the biggest talking point in Scotch football right now we had we had a crisis summit summit two or three weeks ago I did a newsletter about a little video on my Instagram as well we had a good time Brexit the crisis summit yeah loads of solutions came out of that we're sold to all joyous we affect when they walk in the door like the conference hall and they were going ah like holding their hands up their hands that's why I imagine like some sort of car like Muppet style at least so they're like exactly they're all beaker yeah it's all beaker it's all beaker I honestly we feel better about beaker and the Muppets been in charge of Scotch football but yeah going back to the question I love that image uh Brexit has probably been the single most damaging thing for Scotch domestic football in the last 20 years or so which you know it's just great because Scotland does a country voted overwhelmingly for Brexit you know that whole deal but anyway we're over it wasn't that wasn't it no Scotland voted over well only against Brexit the part of the UK that did thanks England and Wales anyway yeah so Scottish clubs can't keep their young players um and we're not talking about players who break through and then get a move we're talking about like 14 15-year-olds who are going down south in their hordes never to be seen again like initially the argument was will these kids are going to get um the best education they're going to have the best uh they're going to break into the best league this is actually going to help Scotch football was kind of the argument but for every Ben Ganon Doke or every Billy Gilmore he was one of these players he went to Chelsea at 15 there's like 50 players you just never hear of again and it is hollowing out Scotch domestic football it is a huge problem it does sound like Scotland is going to put in some measures to try and combat this phenomenon but the problem is the money like a lot of these kids are working class in in in origin and um you you offer them £1,500 a week or £2,000 a week compared to the £300 a week they're again it's in Johnston or or Komarnik or whatever and that is just really tempting so I don't really know how we combat that it's a massive problem so Graham you feel like the inevitable like sternly worded letter saying hey knack that off from the Scottish FA to England isn't going to get the job done no probably not I mean that's weird to be seen as a bit different second that quotas are the thing that they're trying to impose like so minutes quota per season the argument being they want to give clubs leverage of like look you're going to get paid more at wherever West Ham or whatever English club you'll get paid more there but you're actually going to play the top club yeah you're actually going to play in in the Scotch Premiership for a Scotch Premiership club whether that is going to be enough to convince these kids to stay out and we we don't know but that is the that's the hope yeah yeah I was looking at a story from the athletic they published recently and they they did some analysis on the Scotland to England youth pipeline post Brexit and pre Brexit so apparently there were 35 teenage moves from Scotland to England from 2012 to 2020 and there were 66 from 2020 to 2026 so not as long of a time period and nearly twice as many moves post Brexit that this is a trend that has skyrocketed since this happened Graham to your point I'm really curious to see exactly how this all comes together analytics FC did a study on this topic back in 2022 so quite quite a while ago now and not all that much data but still some interesting findings that they had along the way as far as importing talent goes they found that at the time Brexit and and and excuse me they found at the time between Brexit and the study publishing in that period of time lower leagues in England we're using foreign markets less than ever before so so lower clubs down the totem pole we're not going and shopping from abroad those things were getting more difficult with work permits they also found in terms of exporting talent that there was a pretty substantial drop off in the number of British players leaving England for the EU and that makes perfect sense all these things are very logical findings we're all of a sudden if the path to getting non-British players into these places to play soccer it's harder you're going to keep the British players that you have and you're not going to go get as many non-British players now we are seeing some changes to all this I think clubs are obviously very very aware of what the visa process looks like to get into the UK it's a points-based system we're now starting to see some some different mechanisms to get players into the United Kingdom even if maybe they don't follow traditional work permit processes so if you don't have enough points they're starting to clubs are starting to have a number of slots that they can use to go and acquire other players as they work towards that process we're starting to see British clubs go out and and sign highly rated young players again from all over the world but they're doing it in different ways we think about Tottenham having a Tottenham having a vuskovich and him spending some time at the Bundesliga and then eventually making his way to England we're starting to see more and more of those things happening as clubs navigate the new post Brexit world which is really not so new anymore but it certainly has changed the landscape of what development looks like for United Kingdom players and Scotland in particular and it's it's changed player movement patterns a little bit while also still recognizing that ultimately all all the best players except for the ones that at the other six biggest clubs on the planet are pretty much ending in the Premier League yeah I think Graham and Joe have covered a lot of ground I'll just add that to my understanding this is why we've seen so many like 18 to 19 year olds moving from one Premier League team to another like Manchester United keeps signing young arsenal players and not quite vice versa but it does seem like like because you can only kind of identify talent in certain areas and the talent is like pretty densely identified that I think you then do have more movement from like older players older teenagers in one academy to another Premier League academy for more money because I think there's just like harder mechanisms more mechanisms that have to be triggered and loopholes that have to be found if you want to go a different route so it does seem like it's led to more money being spent in that way it also to my mind does explain why there is so much more money being spent in the Premier League obviously there has always been money spent Premier League teams have a lot of money TV deals are good but I think it is also that if you can't sign you know 14 15 16 year old players from Europe or abroad you're going to wait and sign those players when they're old enough by then they're going to cost more they're going to have broken through a little bit more so then you have to pay more money and I think the cycle kind of repeats itself from there so I think in that way it's creating a model where the Premier League has more money but it's spending more money I think some would argue that that's an ideal system where then the smaller clubs get that money and reinvest it you could also argue that it's leading to an untenable situation in which too much money is spent too many clubs can't compete and things end up kind of falling apart or going off the rails yay sometimes ahead very good very thank you thank you again for somebody uplifting questions right yeah okay um looks to the next couple of questions we might have something I mean we got Scottish beaker running around and that's really all I need for this show to have been an A plus 100 out of 100 yeah they also they all run into the rooms go what do we do and then they'll sit down and then just the the keynote speeches what do you do what do we do now what do we do and then very much out things yeah very good that's how I've run it Vera thank you very much indeed for that question one more quick break when we come back we're talking about top level club coaches moving into the national game we're talking about the least cool Premier League teams as well join us then total soccer show welcome back to listen to questions Richard Rolson has come in with this one considering the runs by Carlo enchilotti Julian Nagosman rich here pochettino and Thomas Tuckel what are your thoughts on successful club coaches taking on national teams Joe I'm interested in your thoughts on this one I always consider it as kind of a big coach and I mean this with the greatest respect almost taking a semi-retime when they're going to a national team game just due to the fact that the intensity level is a bit less on a day-to-day basis I feel like the same Thomas Tuckel as an example gets to sort of chill out going to see a few games it gets intentional during tournament periods of course in international breaks but generally it feels like they're doing it to have a different pace of life is that fair to 100% I think that's spot on before I answer this question can I ask you a question about Tuckel Ryan and I guess Graham you you being the closest to the UK at the moment actually in the UK you'll have perspective on this as well how are things going for him now that we're back in the first World Cup post World Cup international break and there was more heat on him than literally I think genuinely there's more heat on Thomas Tuckel than there was on Florian Dalgona maybe even the US government during the World Cup what's the latest on that deal right now well I'll let Graham weigh in this one but from my perspective he's got a squad where players aren't showing up because they are injured he's got okay injured with air gloves is that what you're saying injured with this yes thank you for clarifying that he's got a situation where I was shocked he wasn't fired immediately after the World Cup semi-final and he's got a situation where in the nation's league he's got what we can maybe call an incomplete roster with the players dropping out and we're playing the World Champions and if we get severely humbled by the World Champions and maybe don't the results that go their way in the other games as well I could I think the firing conversation could come up again that's absolutely and that was kind of always my prediction was he would survive but the heat is going to be on immediately what I do find quite funny as I was listening to the the liberal podcast yes there are there are other podcasts out there and just with the nature of English soccer um or really like soccer in most countries outside the US which we spoke about this before like the US puts a greater focus on the national team than most other countries and it was like they were realising in real time as they were talking about Tuckle and England how angry they still were about that situation because immediately after the World Cup it moves on to like transfers then it's the start of the Premier League season everyone's kind of forgotten about England and Tuckle but now obviously it's this giant long international break and to your point Ryan England are playing Spain they've got some difficult games it could go poorly and everyone's kind of remembering that they're mad at Thomas Tuckle so um yeah I think we're going to learn a lot more about his possession over the next couple of weeks fascinating yeah I'm just curious to see how that that story unfolds as far as Ryan your point about it being just a less demanding job 100% that's true I mean international coaching is less demanding that has an appeal for some of these managers I think again a reason for why this might be happening and it seems like it's been a more obvious trend of the last several years is that some mega clubs are opting to sign slightly lower profile managers I think about Vincent company at Bionic is being the best example company having a moderate amount of success certainly success in the championship but not more than that in England of course a huge name one of the one of the best players for his generation but still from a managerial perspective not one that's been on the usual carousel of the elite clubs I think that maybe has prompted some of these managers to go and look elsewhere because there's just one fewer job that they really are are interested in and also the reality for some of these coaches I think about enchilotti in particular there's only so many more worlds to conquer like there are only so many club challenges left for you at a certain point like before you've done everything and kind of had all the experiences that you want an enchilotti in particular probably falls into that bucket where I mean Ramadrid is is the peak and going in and winning several where with Ramadrid is as high as as you can get really in this sport and so I think that can lead you to the international game now as far as if Richard's asking about maybe not why this trends happening but but how did they do and is it is it worth hiring one of these coaches for your national team I don't know I'm not I'm not really sure I didn't get the end of the day your talent still matters the most if you go through these different coaches Carlo enchilotti in Brazil basically had the World Cup that we expected where they were not good in World Cup qualifying they have a lot of good players but they're not maybe at they're certainly not at their peak and probably not at the level of some of the other top their national teams they finished where we expected Julian Augustman and Germany a little bit under still no doubt about that was not a good World Cup for Germany embarrassing more than any other teams on the list but I don't think that that means necessarily that you should never hire any of these coaches you move on to Mauricio Poccio Tino very much as expected round of 16 finish classic USMT stuff Thomas Tuckel England and the semifinals feels about right I mean did that last game go well against Argentina of course not and do I think Tuckel miss miss some things in that game absolutely I do but as a general rule these teams finished mostly where we would have expected them to finish so at the end of the day comes down to talent and mostly teams finish other talent level and and I don't really think it matters a whole lot beyond how you think about hiring a coach but I would still support my national team going out and hiring someone fun and interesting maybe has some interesting ideas along the way I just don't think that is going to be a primary difference maker and it wasn't at this World Cup um Taylor you thought it's on this question of national team coaches yeah I think my number one takeaway would be that it's just really hard to win the World Cup and and so like regardless of your coaches it's it's good to be difficult and so I don't think there's like one sort of cure all this is the way to do it I think it works in a lot of different ways which is an obvious take but I think that informs then a lot of these appointments because some of them are similar some of them are very different and so with like Brazil and Carla Michelotti you're looking for some tactics more so vibes more so ego management I think versus too cool no goes men like you know you're bringing in a football brain and to your point Ryan I do wonder if maybe the football brain doesn't always work in these types of settings because I think they require longer like longer periods of time with more reps to have more of an impact and to really get that message across and to get the buy and they need and so I think maybe what that means is that we're going to see more second cycles more time for managers or managers given just a little bit more time to see if they can actually have their plan come to fruition if they can get the buy and they need it does not seem to me like Thomas Stuckel is going to simultaneously I don't understand how your conclop could be a failure at Germany that could be famous last words but he's your conclop it just seems like he's going to be able to get that team playing the way he wants them to and if he can I don't know how you handle that so like I think what it means is that there's no sort of one way of doing it and bringing in that big name manager does not mean necessarily that you are going to then be in a workup final or even close to it in certain situations but I think it does mean that you're going to have maybe more collective I don't want to say buy in again but whatever other word you would use for that but I look at like the US who seemed pretty dissatisfied pretty unmotivated or not maybe playing at the level that they needed to under Greg Berhalter in comes Placetino and you get the impression that there was much more buy in pretty quickly and that he kind of got some players to turn around and humble themselves a little bit to get back on side and so I think in that way you can get that big of an impact it's just what happens next and I think we'll find that out in short order I find it quite a challenging trend in a sense like I've never been one to argue against the like being able to hire a foreign manager and for a lot of like smaller nations it's been really key to their ability to like accelerate their development and so on but I don't know like Klott being Germany manager just seems right and then Italy scrambling scrambling around for a manager when Ancelotti is Brazil manager I'm like you guys in charge of another national team like I don't know like even obviously for us it's great fun to talk about Pocetino as the US national team manager but like he's the best working Argentinian coach I don't know I just feel like it would satisfy my footballing OCD in a sense of like they they manage the national teams that they played for are like are linked to and it rather than just I don't know like hooking their services around to the highest better I don't know that's what they do yeah it's what they do that's not that's not going to change no probably not okay thank you very much Richard Wilson for that question one final one for this episode from Buckton in a boat excellent handle which Premier League team has been the least call to support in the 21st century this might make slightly more sense from an international perspective where teams are more chosen than inherited but over the past 15 years I've witnessed a wide number of teams become into Vogue if only for a few seasons due to everything from having likeable and exciting players sometimes with popular internationals a quirky and charismatic manager an innovative or unusual playing style fun traditions or above average media attention in the US I feel I've seen occasional ways of neutrals briefly flock to embrace evident full of spurs Southampton Leicester Sunderland Liverpool and Brighton among others can you think of any teams about which neutrals have been consistently meh whether it's justified or not so Graham according to my research 51 teams in total played in the Premier League not all of those in the 21st century per se you've got your swindons and some olden's and those kind of places and buttons played in 2010 to 2015 and the name is as well though I presume very much yeah founding member so my am I honest this question of the least call to support from a neutral perspective I've unfortunately tied it to the least call locations I think as well of course you I was like I was like classic Ryan Bailey fear so somebody else got anything north of London the next person to talk about is about to get here but only it's not on my list I've got four I've got four teams on the list of Premier League teams from the 21st century I think a uncool or invoked meh from a neutral perspective maybe because of the impact the teams had in the Premier League in general maybe because like it's not somewhere you maybe want to go if you were traveling to the UK team one Huddersfield okay team two blackpool team three Bradford team four a southern one redding okay that's my thought how do you feel about that you're not a fan of blackpool pleasure beach never been in the Pepsi Max no yes so blackpool for the US list and for the frowning members of the care for me of those competitions it's kind of a very it's a seaside town but it's got a slightly techy slightly vegasy feel to it it's like an old like it's where my like grandparents would go on holiday would be to go to blackpool there's a tower that's about one third of the size of the Eiffel Tower there's a theme park on the water and the big wall of course there's wow a tower that's one third the size of an Eiffel Tower well roughly I just gonna get it's not it's not the filled sizes like the miniature Vegas version but on the English seaside and in the big roller coaster that was a big deal when I was a kid was called the Pepsi Max they sold the naming rights to Pepsi and so that's what I think of when I think of blackpool so not a fan right okay how do you feel about my list Huddersfield's a good show yeah I thought so very rugby town as well yeah although like David Wagner the American link there maybe does something for them when they were in the primary league yeah yeah shall I give you my show I yeah but see they're not the least cool this is where I would quibble with this because like if you like if you see a Huddersfield jersey I feel like that person is going to be like a curious film at the very least maybe I think I have one Huddersfield supporting friend that I think he is from Huddersfield so yes wow he is from the area so fun but like Patrick Stewart Patrick Stewart supports Huddersfield can Captain Picard be wrong thank you very much like so but I think like those those clubs are like smaller clubs that at least over here I don't know if they're going to be like unpopular or uncool if anything I think it makes them cooler I think Tottenham is the example of that over here I think Tottenham are like a kind of cool hipster club because I think people who chose them tended to choose them in opposition to arsenal or because they were not arsenal so you're going the other way and being deliberately I'm not going glory hunter from the 2000s or even at present I'm going for you know like the less celebrated club the one that's always kind of been the little brother but is going to finally find one day find their way through and maybe they haven't but I think that's still kind of puts them into cooler hipster territory so I think what's happening here there seems to be a contradiction within the question of like what's uncool and because at the end the question kind of turns into which clubs are the most meh clubs which is what Ryan I think is getting at and my meh club is Watford's like when they were in the Premier League I don't know what was really interesting about them mountain John Graham Elton John okay he's cool now is he okay and the least I'm sorry to do this to you Taylor I'm going to apologize in advance the least cool the least cool club to support in the 21st century is Manchessen it's undeniably yeah yeah so they're not there's a lot but that's the that's the point I'm making a contradiction between those two parameters and the question and so yeah I mean because it's either you were a glory hunter and then people kind of dismiss you or now you're a laughing stock and then people laugh at you for being a laughing stock who was a glory hunter Graham we've talked about this there is one moment that I can think of in the last 20 like I guess that's 25 but like 13 years in which it was maybe cool to be a Manchester United supporter do you remember what it was oh Marcus Rashford strong arm in the government is my answer that's a good answer that was not my answer that is a real answer no it was the stormsy Pogba collapse that was the only moment was like this cool like Pogba's back we got rappers on board it feels kind of cool to be Manchester United and that was pretty much it so no it feels like they are like and no one if you see a man United Jersey no one is like oh cool man it's like oh did you like them when they were good or do you like them now and if now why like it's it just leads to questions instead of enthusiasm I think I think I decide with Ryan on the meh portion of all this I mean ultimately Manchester United can still achieve things right like like they can still accomplish something like there's hope for Manchester United there's a way that there isn't for full of which is my pick full of I so I I went to the source and by the source of me bookies calm who apparently ran a poll of a thousand people surveyed and they just asked them which privately companies supported and full of came in as the lowest number with five votes of a thousand it's not very many votes when I think about full of them I think they're sort of destined for that mid-table life from from kind of now until the end of time at least there's volatility around Manchester United at least Manchester United evoke emotion like I don't think the clubs that Ryan listed evoke emotion I don't think full of particularly evoke emotion you could go through a few others I thought about nodding in forest as another like more recent example forest are entertaining because of marinakis in a way that I'm not sure you get from a lot of teams but still are they cool I don't think there's a great bunch though they do okay that's true they do have a great badge they have a much more modern aesthetic to them then like all the ones that Ryan you need Bradford like that's an incredible poll for this conversation they forests are above that tier I think but they're of the current crop they're one that comes to mind for me can I have two more shouts one of which I think we'll resonate for a certain mr. Bailey like Ryan is anybody proud to be an mk don supporter no there you go ask Ryan that question he's not gonna keep your real answer but I also feel like if you know that your team was sort of stolen and uprooted by people who love them I imagine it makes it harder to be like woo we're the best and along similar lines with that in mind I think the answer to this is arby life sick who are reviled in germany don't seem particularly loved by their own supporters necessarily because they started out what in like the fifth tier when they were acquired and renamed and so like you're choosing to wear the shirt of an energy during sponsor who subverted 50 plus one rules aren't really enjoyed in in their country like if a German sees you wearing an arby life sick jersey I don't think they're gonna be like yay but honestly guy the way they would be with like coal or doodle door for whomever else I think it's gonna be like you why do you like that why are you wearing that so I think they are my consensus number one least cool team even if they're good at what they do it won't be a good cookie if they were a Premier League team which is yeah I know they're my they're my global very good what let me let me flip this then who are the cool teams who's a cool team to support in the Premier League is there an actual one we go oh yeah they're cool I just think like I find this really difficult because not to be too like hipster and lovely dovey but it's I feel like most clubs have something that makes them interesting like most clubs have at least one redeeming feature so I find this I find this I think difficult I think it's for me it's Arsenal I think like and not even because they are successful right now but I feel like for a lot of reasons Venger is one of them but like Sierra on Rhee is one like I think like Arsenal shirts tend to be I feel like they are worn more often in like fashionable settings where it's like like if you're at like like all-star games I feel like like at like the 2018-2019 MLS all-star games like if you were seeing soccer jerseys in like after-party events they were almost always Arsenal shirts and they a lot of them were on Rhee and they've had interesting players along the way but I think they had this like similar to Barça for a while like this identity of we play a certain way we have this sort of style we brought about a lot of like the proactive changes that other teams that embraced and made them who they are and now they are successful I think anytime a team is as successful as Arsenal have been recently it takes off a little bit of the cool because then it does seem like oh you only like them because they're successful but I think for everything they've done they have always been a fashionable cool club in my eyes I think that's quite cool at the moment I think us and Villa let there's a few Villa fans can the Midlands be cool I think people I mean I'm not a picky blender's fan but people think that's a cool thing with the caps and yeah the show that's all about like industrial savagery that's that is aesthetically people like pirates as well to be fair yeah this is true but like Villa like I know a few international Villa fans as well that there's Jack Grimm's who I follow and how followed for years and years and he has he's a big Villa fan and a lot of his contents about Villa and the tone of his content for the last few years has just been like I can't believe this is happening to us right now so I'd imagine it's it's a good time to be a Villa fan and like they've got the old school kind of clara in blue colorway and like a traditionalish sort of stadium I think they're quite cool Villa excellent John again maybe it's cool but isn't it cool to not care that whether people think you're cool or not so in that way you can be cool if you want to be cool can't put it soft cool now like I think new castle always seemed like a cool city to me but it's certainly not like under my actually and certainly not under present ownership but like some of that and I know it's a different thing but like the Sunderland uh Sunderland until I die documentary where it gave you a sense of how much the people in that area obviously different clubs but still the rivals like how much those clubs mean to them how much like just football means to those cities and the people who pack into St. James's park how much it means to them and it always felt like like I remember when it was the big four and and like way back when and the conversation being like could it ever be a big five will we ever get more than the four and who's the team most likely and it felt like new castle were always in that conversation always with this idea that they're like about to be that next big super club they're on the verge but they're never going to quite get there but then back in the day like the black and white stripes are always a cool thing the new castle brown ale jerseys when that was the thing made them cool like I don't know they're just they've always had Alan Sheer like like being a legend for them like I don't know there's just lots of things that I think made them seem cool in the like industrial sort of like sort of way like they're not pretty but they are cool my answer for the coolest Premier League club is Brighton uh obviously good on the field uh very cool city you can't get any more southern than that basically so that's good um I think it's hard to say a bad word about them I've got a bad word about Brighton the thing that holds me back on Brighton is just like so they thumped Arsenal at the weekend and that stadium has packed it looks like a great stadium everyone says it's a great stadium to go to and it just felt like a little bit of a golf clap sort of atmosphere I don't know I feel like they should they need to like ramp it up somehow to make a real like cold run of a stadium that's the only thing we're right a sea golf club could they install some sort of managerial or prison a la intramami would that be an option to spice up the atmosphere I bet that could add some some real contention in there somewhere like maybe this is my bias it might well be but like why weren't why weren't city ever cool because I think like a lot of times I do think it is like a personality or a style of play can make a team cool and there's definitely when clop first comes through and then has the success he does that Liverpool felt like because I had so many friends who were huge Liverpool supporters then they had very shallow years but they stuck with them and I was almost envious of them when clop comes through and they have this like just like heavy metal football and gagan pressing and they're really fun and high energy and that felt like a very cool team for a while but by contrast city with all their dominance and success and global personalities in pep cordiola never felt cool and maybe it's because they felt like the machine more than cool I would argue that they were always the cooler team pre takeover because in Manchester you were you were there was like if you live in Manchester you put sport city basically was the the thing and they were the cooler of the options and certainly like the 90s they would have had a lot of cool points I think and that was helped in part by the cultural musical phenomenon that was around the city as well at that time. Modern Day City or just an absolute enigma to me I can't fully explain why like culturally they don't they still don't seem to matter in that as much as like I know that's a very blunt way to put it but I guess that's what I mean like they don't they just don't seem to matter as much as Arsenal Rory Smith talks about the red cartel Arsenal Liverpool and Manchester United those are the clubs that like drive interest and everything in the in the Premier League more than any other and I can't really explain why Manchester haven't been able to to follow like even Chelsea for example like Chelsea have a similar path bought by Roman and Brownvitch in mid 2000s just seems like there's more buzz and noise around them as a club than Manchester City so I don't know whether that's a generational thing I'm willing to accept that I see we kept running around and how and shuts all the time now maybe that's going to change things maybe maybe how and is the thing that makes man say cool but until now it's been there unexplainable yeah yeah very good okay backed in and about thank you very much for your question thank you to everybody who submitted the question if you'd like to do so you can go to total sockershow.com slash questions or I'll prefer the method of accessing our discord and having a chat with us in their patreon.com slash total soccer show hey Taylor we did it we got into mailbag we answered some questions and we got out congrats thank you thank you for those questions two of which made me question why I support the team that I do thank you for sending a hug from Miami to your Taylor I can see okay thanks buddy thank you very much Grandmother thank you Ryan Bailey and thank you to Joe Lowry thanks Ryan I never too late to change Taylor never too late listener don't change your podcast have it stick with us thank you very much for joining us on this one we're back on the feed very shortly indeed but for now bye you
