Arsenal's Masterstroke, Vini Jr & Hyperinflation: Inside The Athletic FC Transfer Special

Hi there and welcome to the Athletic FC podcast with me, Adam Levintal, his Arsenal's transfer window finally coming alive Bruno Gilmourache is on his way. Vinny Jr could be next, so what does this mean for Arsenal's title defence? Alongside mate from the Athletic is our football correspondent David Ornstein, Jay Harris and Art de Roche, great to have you with me, Gents. Later on, we're going to be talking about Spurs, Manchester United, Newcastle, Barcola, many more as well. But let's start with Arsenal and David, key development today on Bruno Gilmourache coming in from Newcastle. Tell us all about it. Yeah, Newcastle and Arsenal have now reached an agreement for Bruno Gilmourache. The price is £75 million. That's a fixed guaranteed fee. There are no add-ons or bonuses as part of the package, although 20% of the profit that Newcastle extracts from signing him by a Leon a few years ago is owed back to the French club. So that reduces a little bit what they will take from it. Obviously, Arsenal would have preferred to have paid a lower amount. Newcastle would have wanted more, but they finally reached a compromise. And that will unlock Bruno Gilmourache to travel, undergo a medical and complete this move. Personal terms, no issue, of course, because it was a move that, as we exclusively revealed weeks ago, that he wanted and he had told Newcastle that he was keen to pursue as he tries to add trophies to his CV, Brazil International, 27, 28 years old later this year. So it's a key moment for him. Michael Artheta wanted him to reinforce Arsenal's midfield back by the sporting director Andrea Bertha, the ownership, Cronkey family, putting their money where their mouth is to sort of win now. So it's really significant. There was a lot of smoke and mirrors, a lot of denials of what was going on in this initially handled by intermediaries. And then it went club to club. But they've got there in the end. And I think all parties were keen to draw a line under it as we revealed on on Tuesday when an agreement was approaching. Now that's in place. And it should all get wrapped up. So Newcastle can move on under their new head coach who's going to be announced soon. Mateus Yeislu and and they'll want to obviously reinvest reinforce. They'll have plenty of candidates they're looking at. But I don't know firm names just yet. That process can get going and Arsenal can can look forward to bolstering their ranks with with the top player Newcastle's captain and and one of the leading midfielders in European world football. Where do you where does he fit in? Are you excited by this one? I think the more I've kind of looked at him and watched him back. So his clips and seeing the type of player he is the more excited I've become because he's pleasantly surprised me I'd say. When Arsenal have played Newcastle I guess the kind of archetype we've seen is the more aggressive midfielder who's trying to impose himself on a game and disrupt opponents. I mean a memory a lot of Arsenal fans did have was his incident with Georgina a few years back. But upon watching him I think he's someone who's a lot more accomplished on the board than I realised watching in those games and I think what is really pleasing is that he should allow Arsenal to do a lot of different things in midfield whether it's him playing alongside Declan Rice or or maybe setting up a little bit differently to that on his own in a deeper role. I think he's someone who adds quality and isn't just a body which I think is the massive thing when Arsenal think about how they're going to try and retain a Premier League title which they've never done. The last time they've retained a championship even was 90 years ago. So I think when you're looking at how you can get better and that's something they've spoken about publicly throughout the summer I think that's the way you do it and when I was kind of looking at teams who have retained the Premier League so Chelsea Manchester United and Manchester City. It felt like they were most comparable with Chelsea in 2005 obviously 2005 was Chelsea's first Premier League title win and then the midfield they had that summer that season was Lampard Maccalaille in Tiago. None of them did anything wrong really but they reacted that summer by signing Michael SC and that took three months to complete with Leon being quite tough negotiators but they were able to get that done get over the line and SCN gave them a different dimension that helped them retain the league for the first time so I think those are the things that I've seen that make me more excited about this happening and I get people will have concerns about his age but those are massive concerns for me considering how he's been able to play throughout his years at Newcastle. Ability and leadership he brings doesn't he? Yeah definitely and first he should point out there's the the spurs correspondent this is this is not a good a good move but when you look at Arsenal's central midfield options in previous years when they had Georgina as a back-up or Muhammad El Neni and now you're looking at those midfield options of Rice, Supermende, Gamarish as a Oda Guard, Mars Lewis Skelly that's terrifying for other teams in the league. There's also that stack which I actually don't have off the top of my head but Newcastle could basically never win a game if Gamarish didn't start and that alone speaks to his leadership as you mentioned but also where he was able to control games and he often popped up with with quite crucial goals so for Arsenal it's fantastic for the rest of the league is pretty pretty depressing. I did see the stack actually Chris Woth did something for the World Cup series where he mentioned I think Newcastle have only won twice when Bruno's not started for them so you can see there is like a big a big emphasis on his leadership not just in terms of what he's doing with the ball but how he can actually drag a team for a game and and quickly before I forget sorry I'm pretty certain Gamarish sets up Martinelli for Brazil's winner against Japan in the walk-up round of 32. Yeah so already well whether Martinelli stays with him that's a question is something we might touch on in a moment but you've got an example there of someone who can contribute in key moments in a really creative man it was a fantastic pass to get his team over the line. It may well be that he's linking up with another Brazilian at Arsenal David let's bring you in on Vanissia's junior coming in potentially from Real Madrid obviously this is a massive potential signing what's the latest on that? Well it's a live situation Adam because there are meetings going on in Madrid as we speak to determine what's going to happen with Vanissia's junior is he going to renew his contract at Real Madrid they've been in talks for what 18 months without any movement I think it's quite well documented now that Real Madrid are at around 22 million euros in their offer salary offer he wants something more towards 30 I think it's 28 million euros and they've not been able to bridge the gap is that now going to happen let's wait and see if it's not going to happen there are two very clear options that he's sold now and Arsenal are the main suitor they are trying to sign him with everything they have they all in giving it their absolute best shot and the alternative of course is that he stays and sees out his final year if an agreement can't be reached and a transfer isn't sanctioned and he departs as a free agent in in the summer of 2027 I think there's optimism around Arsenal based on all the conversations they've had in the work that they've undertaken there's approval at all levels right from the very top michael arteta really driving this and extremely keen backed by the cronkeys at ownership level they've clearly calculated the finances and and are ready to do something that would obviously be spectacular for the club for the Premier League for European and World Football really rests now on the player what does he want to do and I think there's a feeling at Arsenal that he wants to come but that's like if he doesn't stay at Real Madrid if he doesn't stay at Real Madrid he he wants to come to Arsenal is the feeling in north London but that's obviously a big if and and a lot can happen in those conversations and you know when we we broke the news there was a huge reaction but I think Arsenal were quite quite comfortable with it because they've been working on this for for longer than has been in the public domain and and and even if it doesn't happen which it is of course possible the fact that they are in the conversation for a player of this caliber and stature in terms of what he stands for on the pitch and offered as well so football and commercial it's indicative of how far they've come that they're at the top table and they're in with the shout and that wasn't the case before and so there would no there'd be no sense of failure or or disaster or shame if if it didn't come to fruition and no doubt they'll have other options too but landing Gimmer Ishes is a step in the right direction if they were to land Vanissius Jr would be unbelievable to many given you know their key aim for this window was to raise the level of that front line their attacking quality to try and get over the line in the Champions League and I'm sure this will be at the heart of the pitch to Vanissius Jr is you know that one trophy that's alluded them so far but let's see how it unfolds because it's it's impossible at the time of recording this to to say with certainty which direction it's going to go in but it's it's an active situation and it is clearly a huge matter obviously this is something that the Arsenal's hierarchy will have to deal with if the if the transfer goes through but on the sort of the footballing side and the dressing room side you've mentioned massive wages for Vanissius Jr and this is a you know a mega transfer coming into the Premier League but coming into Arsenal and they have quite a strict sort of wage structure is this a potential disruption a potential challenge for our tether to get this right as well depends well side of the equation you look at it from and sit on so if you're another player in that squad or they're representatives you might think hang on a second if they're paying him that much you know I feel I'm underpaid or I may be made sacrifices to join Arsenal from a salary perspective and and they made out to me that they've not got the money when I signed and now they're you know going all out for for somebody that's going to cost them exorbitant amounts of money it's just a hypothetical scenario I don't know that being the case right now and then you've got the club perspective which I'm sure would be that they're ready to make a financial exception for a player of such immense quality and experience at club and international level and what he could bring to Arsenal in all areas justifies that maybe one off unique spend and expenditure so if it happens it's a major if then they'll have to deal with that and and I'm sure there will be many conversations and there will be players and representatives I'm sure who would be in favor of the signing and understanding outlay as well so that's the nature of the beast when when you go to such lengths to to try and sign somebody of this standing but I think we're not quite at that stage yet you know cross that bridge if it comes to it and and it's a very legitimate question of course but clearly Arsenal feel that it's a situation they'd be prepared to handle if they get the opportunity to do this listen there's a world in which it can't happen now for whatever reason availability financials and then Arsenal may look to do it and and other clubs in the summer of 2027 if he doesn't sign new contracts if he if he goes into his final year and I think one of the factors in that Adam is that he's owed a loyalty bonus by by Real Madrid some you know 10 million euros people are saying maybe more I don't know exactly the figures you know if if you're Real Madrid you probably don't mind paying that if if he's renewing but if he's going to be leaving it's a bit of a bitter pill to swallow that's a factor in this as well no doubt but but if it comes to the you know the summer of 2027 maybe the signing on bonus is is more for for a club like Arsenal or whoever else is more palatable than right now you know the numbers are going to be I watering if it comes to fruition because you've got a transfer fee and we don't know about that yet of course if if Real Madrid aren't prepared to offer Venetius and you contract at the level he wants that's kind of saying to the player that you're not prepared to keep him at at the extent that he wants so he would probably argue then you should let me go for a realistic fee and that's where Arsenal the current suitor may try and get a a fee that is not outrageous at the same time it's that's Real Madrid's prerogative they could ask for whatever they want so if Arsenal paying a transfer fee now and sign on bonus you know these are these are going to be tough numbers clearly as you point out it's a different situation if it comes as free agency because then you don't have the transfer fee so many elements here but but you know everybody you speak to around it sort of feels varying percentages of where it might happen I'm a classic fence it's a so maybe a 50-50 and let's see how it develops it's a great story to to be across and to discuss are you allowing yourself art to get excited about this I think the excitement is there because to David's point on Arsenal being in in the conversation I think the the start of the summer was maybe a bit slow by by Arsenal standards especially when you consider after the Champions League final in this press conference Mekawa Teta was talking about Arsenal's need to be ambitious to be fast and he didn't feel like they were as fast as he was speaking about but it felt also like Arsenal needed a moment in the summer to show like they were acting like champions it felt like to to make that next step because we all knew they wanted to upgrade they needed to show okay we're going to strut our stuff basically and it feels like even being in the conversation with Anishis Junior is doing that what I would say is in terms of football pure football what excites me about it is it allows Arsenal if it does happen to potentially make another evolutionary step with Mekawa Teta because if Anishis Junior does sign I think it's very unlikely they play the exact same brand of football that they have played in the last couple of seasons because you'll have a player who just creates so many different problems for an opposition even when he doesn't have the ball and I think when you look at how our Teta has spoken outside of the comment that I just mentioned he's also put a big emphasis on individual quality and the need for that and I feel feel like if you're looking for players in world football you're not going to get many better than Anishis Junior when it comes to that so yeah definitely excited even being in the conversation would this be the biggest ever Premier League transfer coup it definitely has to be up there I know lots of people have made the comparison to when Paul Pogbud rejoined Manchester United from Juventus and I remember that being just a massive deal for a few different reasons and one of them was the involvement of Adidas and another one was the involvement of Stormzi so it was almost more than just a football franchise almost like a moment a cultural moment but for all the reasons Art and David had said the the wages involved it still be a significant transfer even if it might not be what it was if he had more years left in his contract the fact that Arsenal in the conversation for a player is caliber when a couple of years ago they were nowhere near it it would be mammoth especially when the Premier League's in appeared a transition this summer with Liverpool Chelsea Manchester City all have new head coaches you know Manchester United they've got Michael Karakin he's only been there six months like Art said have Arsenal behaved like champions in this transfer window maybe not when you look back on what especially Manchester United used to do under Sir Alex Ferguson they pretty much always go and poach whoever the best player was in the league who wasn't an Arsenal Chelsea they'd go and sign that player and with some of these moves with Gameris and Vinicius it feels like Arsenal are finally doing that in this final month for the window David I wanted to bring you back in on on potential transfers into Real Madrid obviously we wait and see what happens with Vinicius Junior and whether he's going to be leaving and what's your intel on on Roderie from Manchester City first of all yeah we reported recently that Real Madrid were operating on the basis that Roderie will be coming in maybe that's reality maybe that's getting ahead of themselves so we don't know the the fine detail of it it seems that there's some interest from Barcelona too which is it's an intriguing battle isn't it that yeah I mean that could be that could be really exciting if it if it turned into a real battle I think Manchester City want to keep Roderie that's clear they would love him to renew there's no sign of renewal and there hasn't been for some time so clearly it's the situation being worked on I would say more by the representatives of Roderie than intensive club to club negotiations at this point it seems there has been some dialogue between Real Madrid and City I hear that Barcelona have been pushing to try and get involved in it but where that's quite up to I'm not sure so again another one of these situations that we don't know how it's going to pan out but it's it's clearly a massive topic because Real Madrid appeared to have identified him as the man they want to come into central midfield the Spain captain player of the World Cup and and I think he's from Madrid obviously athletic go background so yeah not aware of sort of major developments towards a conclusion on that one ongoing but evidently you know it's a it's a massive topic as this window sort of moves on and and with the this started the season looming for all three of those clubs mentioned and Yandia Mandi coming in from RB Leipzig I mean we've been banging on about this one for ages it feels is this is this reaching a positive outcome for Real Madrid yeah it seems to be I think as we've been recording this our colleagues Mario Cortugana and Seb Stafford Blur have reported that the talks are at an advanced stage now between Real Madrid and I'll be Leipzig with a with a sort of agreement getting closer I think Dia Mandi has been pictured at the I'll be Leipzig training camp in Austria I don't know if he's actually training or just saying goodbyes waiting optics that he's still on board and you can't go and strike you know you need to be with with your teammates and do these things the right way if you want your transfer and clearly he wants Real Madrid and the direction of travel for some time now has been that it will get there it needs to be ratified by the red ball board and there's a feeling that that might happen very soon so yeah it appears that this one is a matter of time it's clearly been a tricky complicated situation first I think really there was live up all there then it was that he had decided he wants to join PSG but PSG didn't come up to the financial level that was satisfactory to I'll be Leipzig Real Madrid indicated they would I mean Manchester City and others were floating around it but it was it was Real Madrid who really pressed on and you know judging by some of the numbers doing the rounds this could be an astronomical deal like 130 140 million all up yeah we reported just a few days ago that the the second offer I think was around a hundred million fixed and then addons that took it to around 120 hadn't been responded to Leipzig one and more I think eventually they did respond Real Madrid had to raise it and we talked so much earlier Adam about Venice Estonia but clearly if Real Madrid are going to be strengthening in in the wide areas whatever side you feel that the amunday plays best on then that raises question questions about existing players you know people have mentioned the likes of Brahim Diaz and even into central midfield kind of vingo and then and then of course the conversation moves to Bernice Estonia and would the arrival of a wide player help facilitate his exit and they're both represented by the same agency and rock nation so there's all sorts of moving parts to this but yeah it does seem that that one's going to get over the line and then I think all it all or even more attention will turn to Venice Estonia's future and just one quick one from from all of you David you were talking about Yandia Mandi being seen at RB Leipzig's training ground and you know images going around the world and the impact of that I just wanted to get your thoughts all of you on seeing Mo Salah now wearing a Trabsonsport shirt and you know no longer a Liverpool icon obviously he's going to be remembered fondly but he's yeah now starting his new life in in Turkey what do you make of that Jay? Yeah surprise I think I reread it a couple of times when I saw it was a Trabsonsport there's no disrespect to them but my assumption was that he'd go to Saudi Arabia because they've been so many links to to there over the years and maybe MLS we've seen lots of players do that and it really boost their profile they've a dosky bail they bring him a bit to some of the examples so yeah very surprised David what did you make of it because I remember being stood next to you here in the athletic studios when we were talking about potentially him going to Saudi Arabia a couple of years ago yeah that's when the money was really flowing from the Saudi pro league towards Europe and it doesn't seem to be quite the case now and there was always some resistance I think on Mo Salah's part as well and that hasn't appeared to be at the top of his agenda just now it was that he wanted to keep playing in Europe and you know Trabsonsport like Jay no disrespect and it'll provide European football and they're a big club within Turkey and the Turkish clubs are paying really well which is an important factor for all players yeah MLS would have and probably still is an option depends how long Mo Salah has left in his legs it is just I thought this isn't such a shame I think it was a shame last season how it didn't quite work out from the highs of the previous campaign and you know it signed that new contract and and to see that kind of mutually terminated a year in a mid a real downturn in performance for for team and club was a pity for for those involved and I just hope that Mo Salah can sort of rediscover his form because there's nothing to say he can't light it up at Trabsonsport and make his mark but then I guess there's a part of you that will always wonder what might have been if he had given it a shot at one of the biggest clubs in the main sort of so-called leading European leagues but it takes two to tango it didn't seem that they were there for him or at least not on the conditions that he would have wanted and so given his legendary status and epic career you wish him well and I'm sure there's a bit left in the tank here yeah we saw with Leandro Trostard for example that you know the whole package the financials as well sometimes that just plays a part especially when you're a little bit further on in your career yeah 100% because I I feel like with both them the qualities they're definitely to play in higher quality leagues but when as David said you need the interest as well from from other big teams so it's surprising both both of those transfers are surprising to me but I feel like at the end of the day they're at an age where they just have to do what makes them happy and if this is it then the nasty move they have to make okay let's widen our focus a bit to take in the summer window as a whole now the record for a British player has been broken twice first for Elliott Anderson heading from Nottingham Forest to Manchester City for 160 million and then Chelsea signing Morgan Rogers from Villa for 117 million in the most petty transfer fee of all time it appears both invented the top 10 most expensive transfers of all time just a quick battle between you two who's got the better value Jay and arts better value Morgan Rogers or Elliott Anderson I'm going to say Anderson addresses a more specific need in man just a city squad especially if Roderie leaves and there's been some issues with some of the other sentiment fielders Randas and Gonzalez maybe not being at the required level whereas Rodgers to Chelsea always just felt a little bit random it's just so Palmer and Rodgers could be could you reunite it so I'm going to say Anderson maybe not in terms of value but that deal makes more sense yeah do you disagree with that no no I agree in my heart it feels like Anderson is the more logical choice the only thing that's making me debate it is when you look in history the the highest transfer fees are usually for attacking players because they're the ones that make the difference and I think Morgan Rogers has proven at Asden Villa he can make a difference and I feel like he'll still be able to do that Chelsea so at the end of the season I wouldn't be surprised if people would say okay I get he was worth that because he's delivered but it does feel like Anderson was yeah a more specific signing for a more specific need David I wanted to rattle through a couple of other clubs players that people have been asking for spurs obviously really big transfers early on in the window have gone quiet are they going to come up with something else big once again yeah they're still active of course they're on tour so that's probably affected a bit of their movement in the market but it's not like their dormant they are still trying to strengthen because this has been a remarkable summer it's just that some of it is a few weeks ago now and they want to bolster that attack even further you've seen the links to Savino I think Manchester City would need to find a replacement if they were going to sanction his exit you've seen the links to Cody Gack Pogue clearly some interest there even though not aware of club to club at this point so that gives you an indication of what they're looking to do they've been linked to some strikers as well to reinforce alongside Dom Salanki so yeah having done some really impressive work in defence midfield and the goalkeeping department you would imagine that that front line is now going to be the focus of their attention heading towards the end of the market maybe some outgoing as well we still need to see what happens with Lucas Bergval but Tottenham have turned out to be one of the busiest and most spectacular teams in this transfer window and I would imagine they're not done yet well you know David just mentioned it there in terms of outgoing but I think we're at a point in the window espers sort of need to shift their attention to that Bergval is the very obvious one because there's been offers from Nottingham Forest and Newcastle United at the club have rejected there's also the small matter of the official club captain Christian Romero and we've reported throughout the summer that we think that he's probably going to leave he's got Guillermo Vicario who for the last three years has been the first choice goalkeeper you've got Papay Sar I think they've got eight central midfielders at the moment so they're going to have to cut back on a few numbers you know Rochaleson scored the stoppage time winner against Chelsea in their preseason tour then after the game deservedly revealed that sometimes Rochaleson wants to leave sometimes he wants to stay so I think there are a few moving parts espers have sold some players well this summer Vuskovich is an example lecture as well I think now they need to try and maybe sell players who are not generating the same interest as Bergval Vuskovich for example and then maybe off the back of that they can re resume their focus on getting an attacking player because they're missing so many attacking players through injury c-monds or jabi c-monds Wilson not a bad day and could the sesky that they cannot ignore that part of the pitch speaking of attacking players David anything happening with Bradley Barclay that's that's moving close to a conclusion from PSG it's clear that doors have been opened because Bradley Barclay inside the last two years of his contract doesn't intend to renew so PSG are open to the possibility of him leaving provided their valuation is met and that's a big if right now because it's extremely high by the sounds of it now that figure seems to have changed at various points in time but those clubs that have been looking at him like Liverpool and others would have been considering but Liverpool have been portrayed as the front runners I think that's going to be really hard for them to reach if it proves the case that PSG stick to that let's see if if they change at all so it's a tricky one you know the way that Elliott Anderson's transfer Sandra Tanali Morgan Rodgers have kind of inflated somewhat the market and skewed valuations it probably makes PSG in bolden to ask for more for Barclay when he's a you know a decorated player in his own right having one champions leagues domestic leagues represented France scored up World Cup even though he's been you know largely used from the bench hasn't held down a permanent starting place and that's clearly at the source of of his frustrations but but you know PSG will want to be careful with this because there may be an injury or dip in form for another player away from needing Barclay you know in that in that lineup for Lewis Enrique then there's also Ibrahim Bet and Bay talented teenage winger at PSG and an international who played at the World Cup in his own right and he's among the options that Liverpool looking at they'll have multiple for these wide positions that's been the focus their attention in this market obviously they bought in Manuas they've got Rio and Gamoa but but let's see which direction in which they look to go but Barclay is clearly one you know to pay attention to but there's there's no clear picture on where he's going to go just yet and and you suspect that will take some time it may even go down to the wire and there's no guarantee he moves at all and a quick one before we let you go David on Manchester United Telemons and Santos both in Ado Sidali has said on YouTube thanks for the question are they going to get a third midfielder and a left back before the deadline well I joked on one of our podcasts when I was put on the spot without it being scripted you know who's going to be the busiest team in this market right at the beginning of the summer or maybe even before and I thought man United just because there's so much work that needed to be done and still does need to be done heading towards a season when you've got a new permanent head coach you've got a Champions League campaign so more depth is needed trading is required ins especially in midfield outs to and they haven't done tons yet that's not to say that that won't change as the market develops and so yeah a third midfielder has clearly been on their agenda has been well documented and they'll you know they'll be looking at their options I think if there was one that they were really sold on they probably would have moved on it now and if it was the right value etc but in the absence of that it seems there has been a bit of a shift towards the possibility of a left back and I don't know if that's Michael Carrick driving a left back over a midfielder or it's just a chronology thing that right now they're maybe looking at a left back and then do they come back to that third midfielder Lewis Hall I don't expect to be coming to Manchester United there's clearly some interest there who doesn't like him but Newcastle will be determined to keep hold of him probably even more so following the departure of Eddie Howe and let's see that they would even like to time down to a new contract but there'll be plenty of other options if indeed a left back or a left side player comes in they need to decide you know where does Dorgu players it left back is it more advanced is Rashford going to stay which is a clearly a topic we've covered in the past and we'll continue to and then yeah you know you saw the and we talked about it didn't we in New York around Manucone and and they've been linked to multiple different players but I don't know that Man United are on a clear direction of travel around the midfielder right now but clearly midfield and left back are two of the areas of importance in in this summer for Man United and it's probably best to judge clubs like that at the end of the window because there's clearly some frustration building in the fan base rather than while it's still ongoing there's plenty of time left yet David thank you very much we'll let you get back to your bombahunting we do just have time to bring back an old favourite from our World Cup podcasts do you know quiz are you up for it of course okay so here we go and it is transfer focused simply say your name and then you can answer okay so your name is your buzzer effectively okay here we go after Paul Pogba's world record 89 million pound transfer to Manchester United in 2016 which was mentioned earlier on by you Jay do you know who was the next player to break the transfer record name are very good he's just too quick he was on the beat of the bank straight in very good 200 million pound it was such a jump yeah from Pogba up to Namar and look at the display on your face as soon as he said 26th either by my way I was trying to work out what the question was going to be as well and he just beat me to it he did so well done you continued your good run on from the the World Cup which according to unofficial figures you did actually win the World Cup yeah where do you know quiz well double checking that though we are we're going to fully ratify it and on next episode we will bring you up today with all the important details on that thank you very much Jay what a sour note yeah well I'm going to continue this with him outside and thank you to you thank you very much well done don't forget you can keep up to date with all of the latest transfer developments right now on the athletic because there are quite a few transfers that can change at any moment including that vinesias junior and also what's going on with Jenny and Fantino as the FIFA president big meeting going on there we analyze that on the last episode if you want to check that one out do so thanks very much for being part of it don't forget to subscribe and you can listen to us wherever you get your podcast we're back tomorrow take it easy