Anatomy of a Breakdown: Offside Mechanics, VAR Governance, and Maresca's Derby Statement

Welcome to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast. Sunday was Manchester Derby Day as United hosted City at Old Trafford. Here's how the game finished. For Manchester City a most remarkable Derby win. A rapture in blue. Moreska makes Manchester his home tonight. It'll feel like his kingdom. The winning moment was a Harlan moment. It is a moment subject to intense scrutiny around lion to interpretations. Arguments will rage. But for now the party for City is on fire. He's the second major contentious moment. The first seemed to set all the odds against City when Phil Fauder was sent off in the first half after getting fired up in the company of Bruno Fernandez. That now is all history because the fact is in plain blue and red that City Gary of Beaton United won the Harlan. It's massive for Moreska. His first Manchester Derby down to ten men. Phil Fauder sent up and from that moment on his team started to play the spirit of the defensive cohesion. The way in which they took the ball and showed courage. The goalkeeper's made his contribution as well with the saves. It won't stop a massive inquest into the goal that was scored by Erling Harlan which I think was wrongly given. However, Manchester City were the better team and Bruno Fernandez and his teammates will go into that Manchester United dressing completely and utterly dejected. Wherever you sit, wherever you stand, whichever colors you wear, it is a game worthy of profound debate. Erling Harlan needn't worry about that. And so Moreska certainly won't. It's one we're singing about. United stalled on the big day. City found a way despite despite everything. There are still 100% perfect blue. Asday Drenty, United Nill, Manchester City's heroic ten won. United Nill City won, Harland on the score sheet, sound straightforward. It was not. It was far from straightforward, even though the City players in Enzo Moreska, in charge of City for his first Manchester Derby, are down and celebrating with their fans. Some of that sweetness will be in how that win came about. They were down to ten men. It was a controversial sending off of Phil Foden in an incident involving Bruno Fernandez. We will look at that very shortly as well. And the goal itself scored by Erling Harland was controversial in itself. There are a few things we need to one pick in all of this. Initially, this goal was disallowed for offside. Against, we thought Erling Harland. The cross comes in. It takes a deflection here of Patrick Derby. This is specifically exempt from a player deliberately playing the ball. When the cross is put in, Erling Harland is confirmed onside. Patrick Derby's foot plays Harland onside. However, Enzo Fernandez is coming through the middle, takes a flying leap at the ball from an offside position. Under the laws of the game, this is deemed a deliberate action towards the ball and we will take a look at that very shortly in this criteria that they're looking at. However, when the AR looked at this, when they had the conversations with the Oddfield referee, Michael Oliver, they said that because Enzo Fernandez did not touch the ball, that the goal could stand because Harland was not in an offside position at the time of the cross. It's not straightforward. This may help to clear it up. So when we've had a look at this one more time, we're going to take a look at the actual laws of the game and what they're looking for in terms of Enzo Fernandez positioning. A player will be penalised, it says, if they're preventing an opponent from playing or being, so they're not obstructing the opponent's line of vision. Are they challenging an opponent for a ball? He wasn't. Clearly attempting to play a ball which is close, which seems to be the one that does apply to Enzo Fernandez. Or are they making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball? Is Enzo Fernandez clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on their opponent? Is that, Michael, what Enzo Fernandez is doing? The 100% is, I mean, I think it's been a bad day for referees. I think it's been a bad day for VR. I think they've got the full-fold and decision wrong after 23 minutes. And they've got this decision wrong. How you cannot say Enzo Fernandez is not challenging the wrong? Of course he is. I've been in that position as a defender where every any slight movement can make the difference between going for the ball or not. So of course it affects him. I just think they've got it so wrong, but that doesn't take anything away from City's performance to go that long with 10 men is just incredible. We talked about fight, we talked about spirit, you manager, first star, what have you got? And he showed exactly what they are. I just think it was, it was a real run before. That was a brilliant finish. Yeah, obviously the controversy are wrong, but it's kind of, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's kind of, it's kind of, come out and very, very quickly. The way is dealt with that and got over it and put it in the net. Absolutely brilliant finish. Obviously they've seen good so many times before, but a big moment. And you know what, City was smarter than United. I think when you're United, when City would know the time, United players started maybe overthinking it. Again, keep it simple. Still do the simple things right and City was certainly more straight wise. Well, we saw the laws of the game and we looked at all the criteria that could apply to Anza Fernandez. Is there an argument actually? You could take a little bit of all four of them. I mean, he could be impacting various lines of vision, he could be impacting on the defenders line of vision. When you're in that position, you're impacting the game. You're, of course, you're in the middle of the box, you're going for the ball and you've got, Matthew, is he's got to be worried? He's thinking, he's my priority, not Harland, so many stuff going on. And these are like such big decisions. But again, let's take not away from Harland. When it comes out and there's people in front of him, just a little bunch right in front of him, they speeded that to get over it. But yeah, there's the graphic again, but the point remains that Anza Fernandez makes a deliberate attempt to play the ball. Therefore, from an off-site position, therefore he is off-site. I mean, that is, that is simple. Maybe we can look at this all day. And the reason he's gone for the ball, because he thinks he's going to score a goal. Of course, he's going to go through. He's not going to say, all right, like we've seen players before going to an off-site position, but I'm walking back out. I'm not involved. But of course, he's going to go for the ball, because he's thinking, I'm going to score a goal. He doesn't know he's off-site. So of course, he's interfering. If you're standing in the middle of the box, and the ball comes, do you think you're going to score a win and go on a dad again? There's, you know, the way in which Manchester City have won this game, Mike, and that was the reaction to, you know, that no-cat, no-gallagher, actually, right in the front of that might be the only person facing forward, and not doing the positive hand, even though at the concert they've got everybody to turn around and do the positive hand in the stadium. But when you look at the way in which Manchester City won that, and the way that they reacted to that controversial red card that we'll look at later, Mike, the way that they responded to that, the way they came into the game, the way they played with 10 men against Manchester United, that old Trafford, and the fact that there was controversy around the goal. Will they enjoy this victory even more? Of course, no. Manchester Derby blew on top, and they've fully deserved it. We can talk about decisions all day. Manchester United were poor today. They had the extra man for so long in the game, Manchester United in panic, past, past, got the ball forward a little bit quicker than usual. I thought, and Jai Winnie came on, was excellent. Fort Harland was on the cusp of the game, and then he reacted when he needed to. I thought Gain at the back of Diaz were outstanding. And Jai Winnie came on. And Jai, yeah, he made a big difference in the game, man. I actually think the game helped Anderson today, because he could be a little bit more disciplined, but because he had a man less, and he was jumping at the right time, so much energy. I just thought, man, City, we're brilliant. Without having too much control before they're sending off, they just looked like they had a little bit off. When you win a big game like that, going on determined, it seems, it's like more than three points. We're talking before the game, and the last one to Pep's left, Rodry's left. Obviously, new manager coming in, new players coming in, to win the game, the way they did, with Ford and getting sent off after 20 yard minutes, the way they controlled it. United will always get one of two chances, and perhaps you equalise at the end, and many who hit support, so these important moments in the game. But the way they're controlling, they're smatness, 20, 25 minutes to go in terms of winning a free kick, controlling the game. And you felt, City, if they, you thought they might get another goal towards the end. It didn't feel like they had a 10 minute end, and United, you know, United lack quality, but again, they're worried for United also on these games, even if it's a tight game, you never feel they're going to keep a clean sheet, and that's going to be a hindrance to them going forward. We've got plenty of time to reflect on this game here at Old Trafford, the 199th Manchester Derby. I'm plenty of things to look at from there. In the early kickoff, Coventry beaten five nil at home by Brighton, including that fantastic goal from Lewis Dunk. It's been three years since he scored with his feet. Everything since then has been ahead. In fact, it's been since 2019, since he scored from outside the box. That was the pick of those five goals. It sends Brighton into fourth place in the table. Coventry is still without a point, and still without a goal, so far this season. As the winner beaten two one at home by Nottingham Forest, their difficult start to the season continues. Finished two two between Bournemouth and Brentford. Chelsea also with a two-all draw against Hulk, Crystal Palace, beating with a last minute winner from Ipswich 3-2, the final score there. A really dull draw between Liverpool, and full of that one finished nil. Nil, Arsenal, two-all victors against Sunderland. Another game that was not a classic two in Tottenham Red Everton. Another goal is draw, and then today a five-nil win for Brighton. Manchester United has beaten one nil by Manchester City. All of today's Premier League goals, the highlights on the Sky Sports app. If you scan the QR code and you want to watch the coverage whether you'll be able to go back and look at some of the highlights from this game as well, and what it means is a narrow win for Manchester City. It takes them level on points with Arsenal. They both have 100% record so far this season as City only a goal behind Arsenal in terms of goal difference. Brighton, as we saw in to fourth place in the table, Manchester United in 13th with four points from their opening, four games, and Coventry, as I mentioned at the bottom of the table, they haven't scored a goal yet. They don't have a point, and already their goal difference is minus 10. The football season is back, and you can keep across all the action on Sky Sports with 1500 live games available for you to watch this season. That includes 80% of all televised Premier League games, plus matches in the WSL, EFL and Scottish Premiership. If you're not already a Sky customer and want to sign up, head to sky.com to get all the details. Now, though, let's get back to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast. Eventful Manchester Derby after 23 minutes, your phone was dismissed for that against Bruno Fernandez, somewhat controversial circumstances, which we will look at. But after that, Manchester City had plenty of chances, and in the end, it was a goal that was initially ruled out for offside, but was then given and awarded to Erlin Haaland that decided the match. We've looked at that in some detail. I'm sure we will revisit it, but Manchester City take all three points in the Manchester Derby, and this is how it all played out. In terms of shops, Manchester United had the better of it. They had three shops on target. Two of those came after City were down to ten men. City had six shops, two of them on target. And of their .99XG, .09 of that came in the first half, .9 in the second half. That tells you a lot about the improvement in the second half from them. They both hit the woodwork. Manchester United a couple of times City just the ones, but in the end, the importance that is at the top of the screen there, with Manchester City winning it by a goal to Neil Enzo Moresco victorious in his first match in the first derby in charge of Manchester City. Elliot Anderson and the winning goal scorer, Erlin Haaland and Patrick Davison. Guys, well played for Manchester City fans a really memorable day. What about for this team, Erlin, a new Man City team? Is this the sort of result from which a team really grows? I think this haven't happened a lot in my lifetime that would go down to ten men, to be honest. So it's a kind of new experience to win with ten men, and it's amazing how we have to be honest. We have to lay low, which is not ideal. We like to keep the ball. We like to try to score goals, but these times I think you have to go a bit low and take your chances when it's possible. And we managed to do that well. And I think this shows the personality, the character, to keep the ball away at all to our foot. With ten men, that is personality. Elliot, you did say Man City the Kings of Manchester. Yeah, we are now. Yeah, we always knew it was going to be a tough game. In the Hartman Phil at the start wasn't good for us, but we said it half-time that it's going to make it feel better if we win, and yeah, we've took three points. So what was it like for you when it went down? Well, the team went down to ten men. Obviously it's difficult enough, 11 against 11, and then during the trenches, during the middle of that midfield. Yeah, it just gives you more motivation to go on and get the points. It was really tough for us, and we just had to run more and fight more, and I thought we all shunned to a man and we were a billion. What was the reaction half-time then, and you're one of the leaders of this group now? I think as, of course, we had to change a bit the plan, but Enzo gave us a plan, and we complain a bit in our different strengths. We can counterattack a bit more, and for me, personally, I just have to be there, try to wait for a chance, and if it comes a chance, I have to be ready to execute, and that's what I need. And we also need fighters in the team, which we have plenty of look at Hartman Phil, if there's something they like to do, there is the fight. So I'm super happy with everything, all one, and yeah, I'm so so proud of everyone. Is he right? In a way, is that kind of a day that you absolutely relish? Yeah, it is. I think all of our midfield, you know, me, Enzo, we'll have to fight and tackle and then get on the ball and play, and yeah, I think we gave it our all today, and everyone was brilliant. What do Phil have to say at half-time? It's clear from his reaction that he felt unlucky, is that something you've had a chance to have a chat with him about? No, he encouraged us to keep going, to stay positive, because even though we're 10 men, we're still a good team, and we'll show that today, and I think we even became more sharper when we became 10 men. We did the third man even better, I felt, and everything, and that's how we have to play all the time, even with 11 men as well, you know. Give us your view of the goal then, because initially it's ruled out, but you are so rarely offside. Did you know there was a funny shot of you, actually. It was always like grinning at the camera, so in real-time, how did you see it? Did you think it wasn't, and then you knew? No, I think there was a flick, so I thought maybe there was someone afflicted, because yeah, I normally don't go on offside, so I told him, I told him, Michael Oliver, that I took it with personal, that he thought I was offside there, but I looked over to Enzo, the gaffer, and he said like, like, give him, give me a thumb up, and then I kind of knew there was a goal, so I kind of prepared myself, a bit to go and celebrate it. The sweeter feeling as it gets. I think, honestly, this is one of the better, because the occasion and everything, 10 men and everything, of course, it's always nice to win football games, never take that for granted, but especially at this, you know, 10 men for, I don't know how long, 60 minutes or something, I told Trafford, it's a difficult task, so I tried to do that with 10 men, it's so nice, and to see the fans as well, how much they enjoyed themselves, so I saw, you know, just looking them in the face on all of their supporters is just amazing to see. Yeah, and I thought I'd start asking this already, but if there was a new team, does this feel like a big step? Yeah, definitely, obviously, it was my first Manchester Derby as well, so to start it like that, it's brilliant, and yeah, it's a new era here, and starting it with a win in this game is amazing, and we're all really happy. And the last word for Donna Rimmick is, on full time, you ran straight to him. Yeah, I was saved, I don't know if it was outside the last chance they had with him, Wembo, but if it was off time, no, it doesn't matter what the save, I mean, what a keeper he is, I said it plenty of times, this wolf in the goal, he looks a bit like a wolf, so to have him in the goal, it just gives you so much confidence as well, honestly, because in the end he's a madman behind there, and it was so lucky to have him, and he's a matchwin as well, so, you know, all praised him. Okay, so are you ready now to hand over that play with the match award? I'd rather keep him myself, got a few of them from this game, but I'll give it to you. Thank you, Erling. Well, this is what a guy. Thank you. That's actually Elliott Anderson's first derby, and I know not him for us, Derby isn't a derby as such, but he didn't play in that game, didn't play in the northeast derby, and this one, his Manchester derby debut, a man in the match, winning performance. Look, they're talking again about the goal. We need to look at this, because this is the defining moment of the game, we thought maybe the red card would be bit, but this goal, obviously, is the defining moment of the game, and it's still not quite clear why that, we know what the official explanation is to why this goal was awarded is, but we're still not quite clear into how that is defined by the laws of the game. So, Harland, I know he doesn't look at there, but with line-strawn, Harland is on the side position, and there we have confirmation of that, that Patrick Dorgers' foot is playing Erling Harland on the side. He's right, Harland, when he said it did take a bit of a deflection, but that is specifically exempt from a deliberate attempt to play the ball, so that doesn't factor into it. Enzer Fernandez is in an off-side position, and then makes the deliberate attempt to play the ball. By the laws of the game, this makes his off-side position an off-side offense. Match centre have tweeted to say that because Enzer Fernandez doesn't play it, then his position is irrelevant. Well, that's nonsense, isn't it? And, Michael, I can only tell you what they have said, that this is the explanation from match centre. They check the referees call of no goal, they determine that Harland was in a non-side position, which we saw. They recommended that the goal was awarded, and then the VA also deemed that while in an off-side position, Fernandez didn't play the ball. Well, that's fair, isn't it? Well, because you can be, you can commit an off-side offense by making a deliberate attempt to play the ball. Do you think that Enzer Fernandez has made a deliberate attempt? We need to slow this right now, man. We all need to slow down a little bit. Enzer's position there, you've already talked about when the ball comes in. We need to go back, we need to go back. He doesn't touch the ball, Michael, if they're the laws of the game. Yes, but he makes it a touch. But Dersen does a matter as long as he doesn't touch it. Right. When you're in a defensive position, and you're working off, where your line needs to be, and what is around you, your position alters, depending on what's in front of you, and what's in front of you. There's no doubt Martinez is obviously focused on Fernandez, of course, but the fact he doesn't touch the ball means... So, this is the third bullet point here, clearly attempting to play a ball. That's the one that is relevant to this offense. Yeah, well, that's obvious. That is the obvious one. If someone attempts to play the ball, I'm in an off-side position, and you have to adapt to your position. But you just mentioned there, if they don't touch it though, but if they don't touch it, Dersen does a matter of he makes an effort to go for it as long as... If you make a deliberate attempt to play the ball, then an off-side position becomes an off-side offense. Yeah, obviously. Listen, we'll come back to this in a second. Listen, Dersen, Martinez is waiting to talk to Patrick Davison. What is your view of the goal? Because you were obviously right in the middle of it, competing for the ball with your Argentina teammate, Enzo Fernandez. Thank you, what's off-side? And what I can understand is the rules. You know, he was there. I went to him because he was there in front of me, so that's why Helen was free and at the back. But I want to become now, I want to control myself. It's not hard today, it's not hard. It's not so hard. So hard because you lose. You lose there, you lose three points at home. Every season they come to our club, they explain one hour, one hour and a half the rules and they look so confident with that. And then after five, six people doing this kind of mistake in the Premier League is an acceptable because it's the best league in the world. You have the best teams in the world, the best players in the world. And now we have to go home with this and justice. Can you explain? Because most of us have never been in that scenario. As a centre-back at Defender, when a cross comes in like that, what are you thinking? You obviously have Enzo go in in the middle of the goal. You know, Harlan's behind you, so just gives an idea of what you see. For sure, it's difficult because I had two players there, and so I'm Helen in the back, and I was 50-50 and had to take the first round, you know. So if he's not there, you go to Harlan basically. As simple as that, as simple as that, but let's see what they're going to say, no? Let's see. I want to hear what their decision, in base of what. I want to hear now. Thank you. Well, a centre-back in us doesn't know yet, but you know and we know that what they've said is that because Enzo Fernandez didn't play the ball, that it wasn't an offside offence, but we've looked to the fact that it was a deliberate attempt to play the ball. What we haven't talked about is the fact that it directly impacts, as Martinez was describing it, it directly impacts what he does, it directly impacts on his action and the game. Of course, because he's trying to multitask, he's got Harlan behind him, one of the greatest scoreers ever. He's got somebody two yards from him, we think he's going to score a goal. So he will be distracted, he's in in favour of my player. I'm basically united, I've been punished for holding a good line, because you have to praise teams who are already played here and their line is good, he is offside and he goes to play the ball. So you're united, I get punished for actually good defending. That's why you've got to defend it on a big moment, that's why he's frustrated, it's okay for us to sit in his studio going, oh well, these things, that's the laws of the game, but he's in, he's been in a battle there. And their united have had a really good line, which is very difficult to do, and they're getting punished for it. You know you don't get punished for actually some really good defending there, that's it. Even he said it, if you've got one player there and one player in front of you, of course he's going to affect you decision if you're in offside position, it's simple as that. It's, look, it's a really controversial way in which to lose a game, but from Manchester City's point of view, they will argue that they did enough to win it without having to have the benefit of refereeing decisions. Yes, of course, and do you know what, when I'm down to 10 men, you're thinking it's going to be an onslaught, maybe the last half an hour for a city, but cities seem to go stronger the last half an hour. What do you think? Of course that, I think there was a bit more control about it, and I think psychologically sometimes when your team goes on to 10 men, it doesn't happen to teams, we've seen it many times before, you think teams are going to be, it's not going to be easy, you're a good team, but you're going to have more options to score, and we've seen the stats there, United States in terms of shots on target, even possession, it wasn't that great. So I just thought that some countries thought, well this is, if we just go through the motion, surely we'll do city, and as I said, whatever, the last 20-25 minute city seemed to get strong, and then die when he came on, he definitely gave him something, he was tenacious, he was winning three kicks, he looked like a gold threat, and maybe that gave the other players a lift, and I know what a goalkeeper made a big save at the end, but gear he and defensively, Man City were absolutely outstanding, but for United, I think it's a huge setback from, I think it's a huge setback from, as much as the lifted is from Man City winning the big game, and obviously the way they wanted for United, I think a big setback. A big setback for Manchester United, so let's hear from their head coach, Michael Carrick is with Patrick Davidson. Well, Michael, confused, or is it a stronger emotion? No, confused, not even confused, I mean we put things in place in the game now to help, to let referees' decisions to help, how many screens, how many offices, how many people behind, off in an office somewhere to make a decision, to, it's more worrying about if that's the interpretation of the game, if football, if we've got people in place that, I meant to understand the game and make decisions, if that's the interpretation of not having the fear of a player, not having an impact on an attack, when you're, it's a, from your body add it, with financial too or the ball, without defending next to him who has to react to that, I just, it's really worrying for me if that's how that's interpreted, and it's a staggering decision for I have to say, I just can't, I couldn't understand it once I've seen it, and then the explanation almost makes it worse. Oh, sorry, what explanation? Well, there's the explanation about it, not in a few more play, so, incredible. You know, and I mean I listened to an interview with Mickela Teta, obviously something slightly different last night saying, decisions like these change seasons, is that how big it feels to you in this moment? No, no, no, no, that's not going to change the season, it's a major impact on the game today, and it was a massive game, so, you know, there's a long season ahead, we've got to get back to winning football matches, so that's on us, but that decision, that wasn't on us today. How big a moment is that? I guess you would have expected more from your team against 10, but perhaps if it's nil nil, you're able to play with a bit more poise than can't. Yeah, of course, you know, it's up to us to then create and score after that, of course it is, we had moments, of course, it's not easy, but yeah, it's up to us to do that, but you've seen it before, you know, big moments and big games like that, have a huge impact, and obviously it did today. We're going back, we're actually better today, 11 against 11. I thought we'd start the second off pretty well, to be honest, so not necessarily, you know. Okay, what did you like in the early part of the match? Yeah, it feels a long time ago now, I think we did a lot of things well, to be honest, and look like we were growing into the game, look, dangerous. It's kind of at this moment in time, it's irrelevant, really. We'll take it for the game and we'll move on and we'll learn from it, but we're not moving on lightly, you know, we got to get back to winning, you know, as a team, so that is a said that's on us, but the game itself, the way it pans out, that's not. I mean, you said you liked that phase in the early part of the second half, but generally, against 10, what could you have done to create more? Yeah, we could have created more, we could have done more. Yeah, but how? Well, that's an answer for us, but we could have. Yeah. How important is a calm reaction to this, Michael? It feels like for years now, Man United fans have had full storms and they had, obviously, a great spell under you so far, it just does feel like a bit of anxiety is growing in parts of the fan base. How do you manage that? That's our second to feet now in it home, so Elvav will start, I don't even know what it is, 30, 40 games or so. We're a good team, so we'll get back to winning ways. Thank you. It is only the second league defeat at home in the Premier League under Michael Kerrick, after the one against Leeds in April, so it has been, and the rest of them have been victories, it's been a really good home form under him. Today, they will feel aggrieved to put it mildly void. There's two ways that they can react to that. They can either go into their shell and lean into self-pity, if you're like, oh, they can use it as fuel. Yeah, no, they looked at the bonks back and they've got a busy schedule coming up, some cup games, obviously they're back in the Champions League, so they'd be busy from that side of it. No, I think there'll be a reaction from, again, I think there's lots of positive at United since Kerrick after job, particularly going forward and the goalscoring record. Clearly there, when he's getting the decision, to everyone's going to talk about off-covers to the goal is the big moment, but he's still be frustrated with the fact that Nars tested the goalkeeper enough for a city, wouldn't be down to 10 men. You're on about, it's only two defeats, but they're big defeats, you'd want to be losing on to Man City and Leeds. I mean, as you said, they didn't test the goalkeeper enough when City were down to 10 men, but there were moments in their Rashford hit the post. Yeah, you're always have moments, and with the United attack and priority, we'll create moments, and these are opportunities here, and on another day, of course, you've had to post twice, the keeper makes a great save at the end, you'd expect that over the course of 98 minutes at 99, of course, but that's still not enough. You know, they're present, the goalkeeper makes a big save, but he's not made five, six, seven, six. This is it. Honestly, the useful. The role was going to get one or two chances towards the end. Big, big opportunity. Even in the United, I'm here going, listen, they probably still get one or two chances as poor as they've been going forward. And he may actually have been offside in that instance anyway, but the point is he makes a big save against him, and there's, as you said, there are moments from Manchester United. But it's still not enough, we were trying to have time when we were saying, for City, City would probably take a draw now, so even for United, even if they're not at their very best, like I've mentioned, only were calm and do, but still trying to take something out of the game. It's going to get a clean cheat, yeah, yourself, even walk off today and go and disappoint it with the draw, but don't be losing the game. But in fairness to them, the goal against them, that's why they're so frustrated is, they've been punished for defending really well and holding a really good offside line, offside line, and that's the hard bit. But there is a pattern of game, you'll have to sit down with the staff and also go and go forward. It wasn't good enough. And we can talk all about what they've done last season, it's a new season, and they've started poorly, and they've got to fix these issues, him and his staff, particularly defensively. They've got to, we've got the great example of the moment, of course, as I asked, look, because they're so good, the chances they give up, and obviously the clean cheat they have, that's got to be their aim. And as long as they keep giving up goals, yeah, they suffer today about about the previous games, it's going to hold you back. You can be brilliant all you want going forward, but if you're giving up one or two goals of games, even as good as you're going forward, it is going to be a constant problem for you. Of course, it is. Mike, if you're going into training next week, obviously, there will still at this moment be feeling the sting of the way in which the goal was scored against them, and the fact that that goal was allowed. But when you go in next week, what will they be expecting to focus on in terms of that performance, in terms of what they'll be working on? Well, I think actually the sudden enough change of game, coming through the game today, I think the tactics we united were going in that sort of mid block and then trying to catch you out on the counter attack. That didn't happen. They had to be the team that was in intensity, and then they didn't know what to do. I watched them again, sabre, in the Champions League, and the game got stretched, and it was almost like, you go, I go, basketball game. They are better when they're in a low block, and then they can transition. And for some, Karik has to try mold defensive and attack. They've got really good players in the attack. Well, like I said beforehand, when they don't play with Césco up front, and Kuni is going here there and everywhere, they don't really have an outball. Then you rely on Russia's pace. Then you rely on genius from Fernandez to do something. It all looked a little bit disjointed. If you again go against Man City, I'm not 10 men. Man City with a better team on the ball. How can you go away from that as a player, as a manager, be satisfied by that? Yes, we'll be talking about the incident with a goal. Yes, it shouldn't, it didn't, it didn't go for them today, but that the bigger picture for you now, is that what they can deliver? If you're going to say it again, if you're not having a ball, listen, after again, if you want to win a day out of a game, you don't attend when you win one, and you should be walking off and going, we're drained, wait, how we got away with it, or to keep it made five, six great saves, and wasn't that type of feel to the game? I was joking again, but more than she united when you've had the test. Fresh, fresh, free kick. Man, outside the box, okay, the one that we've burned up at the end, he might have been maddening off side. If you want to be competing towards it, and I've always said, we've been out, we've gone back and forth, and I've said carrots is doing a really good job for now, et cetera, et cetera. I think you're the perfect guy, but at some stage, if you want to go to that next level, you need to start putting in performance and not just putting your foot in tactically, how can you break down a side, and with United, it seemed as though it's just a moment of genius that gets them through week after week, and if they want to be challenging, they need to do better than that. Manchester United on the wrong end of that one-nil score line, but for Manchester City, it's been a perfect start to this premier league season. We'll hear from Enzo Morescar next. You walked in to the commentary box, giving it the biggest name drop of all the time. Eshagua text me saying, Chris Martin wants your number, and I was like, what, the former New Zealand fast-bowling, but she went, no, Chris Martin from Coldplay wants your number, I thought this was a wind-up, and I get a text from Chris Martin saying, I love the pod, I love to meet you and Af, and I still think it's a wind-up, so thank you, Chris, for following us and listening to our nonsense. I'm Mike Athens, I'm NASA Hussein, follows Sky Sports Cricket, or get your podcast the usual way, however you get them, we will be there. Welcome back to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast, it's time to get more analysis of today's match and head back to the studio. Big win for Enzo Morescar, his first game in charge of Manchester City, in a Manchester Derby, they've won it by a goal to nail, lost a talk about from this game, and Enzo Morescar's been talking to Patrick Davidson. Well, Enzo, you did say embrace the chaos, is that exactly what you team did today? What the chaos? Yeah, I think, anyway, with the red card, change a little bit, the plan of the game, but credit to the players because the effort, the spirit, togetherness, has been brilliant. I mean, it feels a million years ago, but just tell us about that plan from the start, it looked like Elie Anderson on his own as a six, and then two high aches, what we're trying to do, and then how much is that all blown out of the water, by the fact you go down to 10 men. In the moment that we go with 10 players, change, change all the plan. At the beginning, the idea was to attack a little bit, to create an overload in the middle, against their two midfielder, but again, after, I don't know, which minute was it? 23. After 20, 25 minutes, change completely the game. Yeah. Change fairly or not? What did you think of the red card? It can be, it can be a red card, but I think in the same action, it can be a red card for Bruno, in the same action. So anyway, it's what it is, red card for us. We won, but I think in the same action can be also red card for them. Fine, so you're okay with Phil Foden getting sent off, but it has to go for both players. Yes. Yeah. Okay. What did you make of the reaction then, from your players? It almost felt like you were better straight away with 10 men bizarrely. Yeah, I think change the plan for us, but change also the plan for them. They are fantastic in team. They are unbelievable in transition. So in the moment that we were with 10 players, we didn't give them any transition because they were with bull, so I think change for us, but also change for them a little bit. But again, I think the tactical plan can be in one side, I think the main thing today has been the effort from the players that has been outstanding. Do you think it's a huge step for this team to come through a test like that? Let me say, put tactics to one side, emotionally, in terms of bringing them together. Anyway, it's already in a normal situation when you are able to win game with 10 players, it's fantastic. Then if this game is the darby, it's even better, so it's nice feeling here. A big moment for you personally as well, to win a game like this, you're following such a great manager. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's a great moment. Last year here, we Chelsea, we were down 10 players after 3 minutes. Oh, yeah. Today after 25, hopefully the next time will be 11b11. So the team thought next time it's done already, stay on the pitch guys. We're going to prepare already a solution with 10 players. What did you make if you go, Enzo? Was it slightly fortunate? It looks to have been offside, to be honest. Anyway, the fourth official said to me immediately that Erling was on-side. They were just checking the interaction, but I think it was completely clear that it was not offside. I saw that actually you speaking to the fourth. It looked like you knew that it was a go before the rest of the stadium. Yeah, because I asked the fourth official and it was just telling me that they checked and it was clear and it was good. So it's forward. It's also a motion for me in the moment that he said that I was celebrating the goal. Yeah, although another aspect of that goal, Enzo Fernandez looks to play the ball, doesn't he? So maybe a bit of luck there. Yeah, Enzo Fernandez was unbelievable. He played a fantastic game, and again, it's nice win. Yeah. Last word for you goalkeeper. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my god. Yeah, well, I was that was, yeah, that was Gijo. We need Gijo for that. That's why, you know, that's why he's here. That's why, in the past, the club decided to buy him because it's a fantastic keeper. Well done today. Thank you. Thank you. That was Enzo Moresca. Gary Neville has joined us from the from the Gantry. Sting's starting to go out a bit a little bit, or you still frustrated by that that result from Manchester United. No, not really. I mean, frustrated from a point of view, they didn't play well, Manchester United. It's a bad one, the decision that goes against them for the goal. We got there in the end. There's no way that Los Angeles Martis has not been impacted by Enzo Fernandez being there. So I think that and Laman's probably as well because he's having that waiting as well. So there's that whole thing, I think, that we'll see in the 24 hours that they'll apologise and it's a bad one in the sense of a decision. But, yeah, it was a just strange game, wasn't it? Impacted enormously by the two referee decisions, the red card, which obviously changed the whole dynamic of the game. Manchester United thought they could carry on playing the same against 10, and they were against 11. The problem is when City were playing with 11, Enzo Fernandez was jumping out, leaving loads of space behind him, but obviously it was 10. They just played deeper and compact. And Manchester United just did shift the ball quickly enough and was so complacent in that 20 minutes before half time. It allowed City to get a footing in the game. And Enzo Moresca must be really proud because his players stood up today physically and mentally. They stood up and really showed for him. Yeah, he talked a lot about the mentality and that interview and sort of alluded to the fact that the way his players were reacted in that game was so important. How much were factored, do you think that was, Michael? Yeah, I think Manchester Derby and the players go into the game, and they want to go four out of four. I think coming into this sort of game, you could have been up for it, right? The whole thing about Pep and a new manager, he's great for Moresca to have this in terms of, you know, with 10 men and then still being able to perform at this sort of level, but not in the way that maybe we've just seen Man City previously, just grit, determination and having that heart and spirit come to all Trafford and get the win. I think that's more important for these players going forward now. The other big moment that we haven't looked at quite as much as the goal was the red card, which is you say was a turning point certainly in the way that the game went. It involves Phil Foden and Bruno Fernandez. What we'll see when we get the close-up on this is Fernandez barges in to Phil Foden. Oh, yeah. What one? Yeah. Picks him when he's on the ground and then Phil Foden raises his legs and we all know what's happening here. We've all been in this type of situation where the person who's wronged initially reacts and they end up getting the punishment. So Bruno Fernandez, the reason he gets away with that and I think he'll sort of what would be I thought it was a yellow, is that under the guys that he stood up on the balls on the ground. We see it when goalkeepers sometimes spill a ball a little bit and don't we see sort of forwards coming and kick. You think Bruno Fernandez is going for the ball? No, he's not. But under the guys that I'm trying to get to the ball, under that guys, it's wrong. You sort of say you get away with those, don't you? Because referee sometimes see that, you see that four or five times, maybe a month, this type of thing where the players try to do that. And then what you don't see is you normally see when the player kicks out from on the floor into someone's stomach or like I mentioned David Beckham in 98. So soft that you get reds for those. It's not just make it right, but just that I can see the logic and thinking, historically behind football decisions that means that when Bruno Fernandez kicking through Phil Foden, he's arms going for the ball but he was there. I know he's wrong because he's kicking him. But yeah, that's why I think they've got to the decisions they need. They should have booked Bruno Fernandez. I said that straight away. How he wasn't booked, I don't know. What about Fernandez's reaction? Bruno, is that it's embarrassing? Look, to be fair, Michael, we can sit here all day long and debate this. I played in a dressing room 15, 20 years. Roy might not agree with it or not, but we used to say if a player got kicked in the box, go down and win the penalty. And if someone taps you, you'll take it. Steve Martinon did exactly the same to me here in the derby where I just put my head forward. And rightly, just reacting, and I got a red card, you do try and get placed. And I know that's not right, but that is what happens in the game. We're never going to change that. No, man, I like it. We might not like it. We might not like it. I don't think we'd try to get to a cent off. I don't agree with that. You try and might win decisions, but you wouldn't dream of trying to get to a cent off. But it should feel for him to have done that then when Bruno Fernandez kicked him. What do you mean, should he have kicked out? Yeah, no, should feel for him to have reacted the way that Bruno Fernandez did. No, what I would say is, in order to get Bruno Fernandez sent. What I would say is, I mean, we've all been in these types of positions. Fill for him to that. We'll go home and think, I won't do that again. So that tells you that probably it's something he's given the referee decision to make. I'm not saying it's right, but when you kick someone in the stomach, I don't think David Beckham's the softest red card of all time, just because that on the ground. I'm just saying it against the eggless of the only. This class is violent conduct. Yeah, and it's not really violent, is it? It's not violent. It's not violent. It's not violent. It's not violent. No, that is it. That's the strange, but he's getting to it. You can be sent off of being silly and daft or whatever, but the class that is violent conduct, I certainly don't agree with this. Like you said, it's maybe the wrong description of it, but it is under the letter of the law. If we called it something different, it would be there. But looking in terms of Manchester City's performance, they're not there yet, Micah, but this will go a long way to reinforcing their belief that they can get there. I think it's more just about confidence. Under Pep, there was, I would say, more control. I think the one I get the ball wide and now. Obviously, having a new midfield, it's completely different. You know, the standards that Man City have set over the last 10 years on the Pep, it's ridiculous. People need to forget that because there's a new coach, the new style of doing things. Yes, I've got some good players. I still feel it in the midfield. I'm a little bit worried. I think the game today helped Man City because I had to drop a little bit and Anderson could jump at the right times and Enzo could jump at the right times. But in terms of going forward, I still feel as though they need to build that chemistry. Enzo will end up taking Turkey's spot, I think, eventually. That's what he will, because he does to be fair. He does, I think he's a brilliant player, but he lacks a bit of a positional discipline. I always look like in him a little bit when Man City and I did sign one Sebastian Veron and Scolzi and Roy or Roy and Nicky had amazing sort of like understanding of each other's games. And then one Sebastian Veron came in a South American player and he was very much sort of like, he would run across you and he would go and get the ball and he's a brilliant player, fantastic. But it just upsets the dynamic sometimes of the patterns of what Man City do. So it's a bit alike in it to that when I see it. And I think he will end up moving forward into Turkey's spot. But that's quite interesting because because Maresco was asking, actually, it was an interview in which he was talking about Cherokee and about maybe his discipline. He said, when the players got to a certain point on the pitch, are they allowed you a little bit of freedom and he was like, no, absolutely no freedom? I want them to do what I want them to do and yet today, even pre-match, not, I mean, you could understand it maybe if you said it post-match, he was like, I want them to embrace the chaos. I want them to be able to... So there's the middle ground there. It's obviously been a long time dynamic. It's going on in the football team, particularly when there's a new manager, new players come into the club. But why that's going on? What you need to be doing, while you're trying to fix these issues or his win. So Dave, in terms of winning a football match, just that gave that manager a little bit of breeding space and bit of belief. You see him down the sideline at the end of the game and he's like, that all helps the team grow. So we're looking at united defensively and when you're not getting results, it's people, you're restless. The fans that Michael Carrick had interviewed by the interviewer, he's going, yeah, the fans are restless. But if you're winning and you're not quite out of it, but you're winning, no one's restless because you're winning games. So you can start the problems out or the problems don't seem as big when you're in a full and city in terms of results. I've had a brilliant start of the season, particularly with all the worry about it, pep and Roderine, all these guys, this new midfield is the dynamics have changed. And what they're sure today, and if you're going to win big football matches, whatever quality you bring to the football pitch, you've got to bring personality and character. And city had that today, even when they were the 10 men, we could have more tactics or whatever. It's stuck to our chest out. And what they're sure, particularly in the second half, where you're thinking the last half and hour is going to be tight, it's going to be tough. They grew and they seemed to get fitter and stronger. And that's why I'll take my hat off to them today. And what you're looking at united, and again, we're talking about playing for a big club, characters, personalities, obviously you've got talent. And we saw that with city today, where they're trying to fix these problems with dynamics of your team. That will fall into players, but in the meantime, when you're winning football matches, happy days. And we're in a period whereby Moresca, Iriola, Alonzo, Deservi, Michael, Carrick, are trying to build trust in us. We're watching them and thinking, OK, you know, you're building trust on your clubs gone. All these great managers that have been at these clubs in the last 7 or 8, 9, 10 years have gone. And that journey back tonight from Moresca, it's only 20 minutes, obviously, across Manchester, although they might do a couple of laps. That's assuming that he's going back to the club tonight. The trust, it'll have built some trust today with these players that they've come through a really difficult moment together. And they'll be so much stronger to... I'm not saying that's going to get them to the end of the season, but they'll be so much stronger tonight in terms of the trust and their belief in each other and their confidence and everything about them. And they have stood up today. They stood up without the ball by basically being in front of everything. But on the ball, as well, the way in which NDI and Semenio and Hal, they all took the ball, Fernandez and Anderson. They were all brave on the ball, so they've really demonstrated what you would want in a football team as Royce has that determination in difficult moments to stand up. They stood up. They showed a bit of courage today. Again, that's what in the ball. You're away from home. You don't have the 10 men and they'll clear a stock their chest up. Yeah, of course, there's a lot of luck with the goal, of course. But courage is a big, big part of being a tough footballer. What in the ball in tight situations away from home down the 10 men, they didn't shy away from that challenge. Speaking of the goal, we will look again at the goal. We'll get Gary's thoughts on the offside. Tomorrow, Michael, we won't ask you again about it. Manchester City, though, with all three points. 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What they have told us is that and what they have put out on their social media pro-ref and match centre is that because Enzo Fernandez did not touch the ball, this is not offside. His offside position does not become an offside offside offence because he doesn't touch the ball. They've doubled down basically. That is what they're saying. That is what their position on all of this is. Now, this has happened before. Bruno Fernandez scored a goal for Manchester United at Old Trafford. It was scored by Bruno Fernandez. Marcus Rashford was involved in that goal. And again, Marcus Rashford here does not touch the ball in the build-up to this game. And this goal under these circumstances is not allowed, is not overturned. This goal is allowed because Marcus Rashford does not touch the ball. So Gary, you asked in the aftermath of this Howard Webb what his thoughts were on this decision to allow this goal to stand. Yeah, the other big decision of a big controversy in last few weeks was the Manchester Derby. The offside goal, not offside goal. The one that Bruno Fernandez scored. But Rashford obviously sort of left the ball. What was your post-match analysis with the referee and onfield officials of that? And how would you see that now if that happened again tonight in this match? Yeah, I think it was the most talked about situation in the Premier League so far this year. An offside player who doesn't touch the ball. The question then becomes does he interfere with the opponents? And over time the laws of the game have moved in a direction where to be penalised for being an offside position without touching the ball. You have to do one of four quite specific things. The aim was to be consistent in the application. Rashford doesn't exactly do those four things, but he could make an argument that he does. There's definitely an interpretation needed. There's some element of subjectivity about it. On the day the officials felt that he didn't interfere as per the way it's defining the law. That was supportable. I think the game has told us that there's an expectation that that situation should have led to an offside. We're here to serve the game. We're here to listen to the game. I think if that exact circumstance happens again, you'd probably see a different outcome now based on all of what we've taken on board since then. But on the day it was a judgment that was made based on the interpretation that was made on the field by the officials. It was supportable. I think the game tells us it was probably expected to be offside. So the key quote there from Howard Webber is that if this exact circumstance happens again, the goal would likely not be given. It wasn't the exact circumstance, but the question is the same as to whether if a player doesn't touch the ball, are they then committing an offside offence? It's the same question, not the same. I just hate the actual thing full stop. Well, we can't operate from there. We have to operate from where it is on the roof. Let's go up the wall. I hate it. We can't just throw it all up in the air. That goal that Bruno Fernandes scores in the derby in January 23 is an absolute joke. City have held the line. They've practiced for the previous 3, 4, 5, 6 years on the pet wildy old to hold the line to play offside. He's gone towards the ball, Marcus Rashford. If you're telling me that he's not interfering with play, steps away from it at the very last second. And that to be fair is what Howard Webber is broadly while still protecting his web series there, that the game is told us they don't like this. So the reason we don't like the one today is the same reason we don't like that one back in the day. I mean, that's the point. The point is that your issue with this goal being allowed was agreed with by Howard Web and that point was agreed with by Howard Web. And then you get a situation like this. Look, it doesn't look exactly the same, but it is a similar decision that's reached in the fact that the player is in an offside offside. Well, he's not by there. He's not by the semi-automated offside rules. Don't throw red herrings at you. The question we're talking about is does Fernandez is Fernandez committing an offside offence? He's in an offside position. Is it an offence if he doesn't touch the ball? And he also, Howard Web, references the four points that we're looking at when we're looking at whether or not. I think we're offside offence. We'll think it's a goal. They'll apologise tomorrow. But generally, it's not a goal. We all think it's not a goal and back in the day, the Marcus Rashford, Bruno Fernandez, when he's not a goal either. I think all of us hate it as football players because part of what you do during the week is practice to keep your line and hold your line and play people offside. And it is part of the game. You could argue the first one that he's impacting the line. Number three and four, Kelly. But we've looked at it four or five times now. Number three and four, I'm fatic. So I don't think we need to look at the end. What a would say is, we... It was only because Howard Web referenced them. I know what the Kelly... Even on the Gantry, I've seen it about seven times. I know. It's been looked at. I think we don't need to keep going back over it. What a would say is, I think we, or whoever it is, is decided now not to show the automated offside showy. A lot of people, including me, I've got these little screen ups, that are still thinking how long was offside for the first minute and a half? So we thinking, the assistant referee has not put his flag up for Enzo Fernandez. He's put it up for Harland, right? We all think Harland's offside, because he looks like he is offside. And then we've stopped putting lines on things. We've stopped showing the fans at home. He's that, he's that, he's that, he's that, he's the first time doing that during the World Cup. I mean, that's, that's, that's even the communications issue. And, obviously, if you're inside the ground, totally here at the Old Trafford. No, because we don't have the advantage that doesn't have the mix screen. We should freeze it there now. We should have lines drawn on it. All we're getting is this stupid automated vision. We can't see anything. But we used to get lines across the pitch, which you could tell that it was offside or not. We stopped showing the fans. But no, the technology shows that it's offside. We stopped showing the fans at home through FIFA, whether it's through the ref situation or whether it's through FIFA. We stopped showing the fans at home offside, properly. And that's a big problem. So let's show that Harland's offside to start with. Then we're moving into the second phase. We didn't know that Harland wasn't offside for about a minute and a half, two minutes. I know. This is rubbish. This is a waste of time. They're showing the fans on me. But it's more accurate. Oh, that's right. Then the previous one. I don't know, but it's just rubbish. It's rubbish. But why is it rubbish? Why is it, why is that not helpful? I just don't think, well, you didn't come in for two minutes. Well, that's a different thing. Right. Then come in for two and a half minutes. I just think, to me, it was better when they were actually doing the lines on before. And you can see the real players. I don't think you can even see dog who's fought. Look, I don't see dog who's fought there. You can't even see dog who's fought where the edge of it is. But that's a different point. Because this has come in now, and this is the way in which offside is and isn't decided in terms of... This is the up-to-date way of drawing lines. I get it, but I've not been expecting it when FIFA did it in the World Cup. I don't like it now. It's not as I don't believe as transparent as it was before. It feels to me something like we're not... Wait, two or three minutes to show a proper offside. Just let's show the offside, shall we? And I take your point, but that's slightly different from what we're looking at. Which is... No, we're not looking at it with... We've covered it, Kelly, previously. It's off. We all think it's not a goal. They all apologise tomorrow. So this whole thing is, you're on a boat. We all love entertaining, obviously a good attack and player, but the lads obviously were defenders. And players do work out defensively to hold a high line, or to defend properly, like United did there, and then to be punished for that. Like that, obviously that's how to take, isn't it? And the idea of not interfering with play, once a player is studying from the line of the goalkeeper there, and the goalkeeper is in this position, is he's ends up with a kick. So the goalkeeper is impacted. Forget Los Angeles Martis for one second. The goalkeeper is impacted 100% to start with. I'm not saying he would have saved it. It's a great, great finish by Harlan. But watch Lamonds. Lamonds has to be impacted by Enzo Fernandez. Going to head it, he has to be impacted. Look at him, he sort of goes to the first header. Watch Lamonds. Lamonds goes to save. And Enzo Fernandez, head to watch him. His arms come up, what's there? And then he... This is what his arms down, and his arms could come up again. So that is not being mentioned yet. The goalkeeper is massively affected by this, along with Sandra Martis. I'm not trying to mention that, but you made me get rid of the graphic. Yeah. Let's bring... We're still going back to the rules, which we've seen 14 times in the last hour. And look, but you're referring to the rules, that's why we're looking at them. Because that one, so that you could potentially argue a line of vision, you could potentially argue the fact that it's impacting Los Angeles Martínez and Lamonds in the Manchester United goal, and you can definitely reference... It's a shocker. Probably the most perturbing one, which is the deliberate attempt to call it. It's a shocker for P.G.M.O.L.O. or... Ref Pro. Ref Pro. It's a shocker for them. Sometimes you sit here, there's a Liverpool Tottenham one, wasn't there a few years ago where they got the... That was a shocker. This is a bad... This is a really, really bad one in a big match. Hey, we've got another graphic. VAR, check, the referee's call of no golfer offside, determined that Harlem was in a non-side position, recommended the goal was awarded, and then VAR also deemed... I think that's fine. If you're going to do a semi-automated... Offside, onside, onside, on. From P.L.Match Centre, where it says at the top, the VAR also deemed that, well, in an offside position, Fernandez didn't play the ball. They need to delete it. They just need to delete it. They're digging themselves a bigger hole. They need to go quiet tonight, regroup, and tomorrow, just... Sorry, we got it wrong. This is just digging yourself a bigger hole. They need to delete that one. We've all needed to delete it. We've all seen it now. LAUGHTER Some of us just deleted the whole Twitter account. LAUGHTER That's all right. It's from Dolman. LAUGHTER And, look, we've looked at it again. There are big controversial issues. There's lots of talking points around the red card. There's lots of talking points around the goal, regardless of how we look at it. What they will be focusing on, and we talked about this a little bit earlier before he came in, is what's going to happen now in training for Manchester United, what they will be looking at from this game, what the things that they can control, or what the things that they can... I'd like to think that they're not concentrating and focusing at all on the referee and decision and their focusing on the work that they need to do to improve for their performance. Because what you don't want to do is give football players excuses, or anybody excuses. That's it. So they've got to go out there tomorrow, whenever it is that they retrain it, start training again, and start to think about what happens if we go down to 10 men again. You know, we can't just run out of ideas after a couple of minutes and be complacent and not shift the ball quickly. I think Michael Carrick maybe would reflect upon the fact that he could have made changes earlier. I think when you know for 20 minutes, four half time, that it's not going your way with 11 men, I think then, Manchester should have come on probably straight away to try and be a bit more of a sort of battering round up top. Because it's obviously wasn't quite working. I think he made the substitution eventually after 65 minutes, which only left, Manchester, 25 minutes. So I think things like that will be reflected upon I'm sure analysed, and that's what they have to concentrate on. Four games into the season, Roy. It's early to be making sweeping statements, but let's do it anyway. What are your takeaways from this game? I think it's been a poor start, Nordovol, today was a setback, but I think the players will react properly. Obviously they've got to get a cup game, I think, joined the week, and they've got full them and games on paper. You think they're winnable? No, it's certainly not neat to panic, but obviously the real challenge on for Carrick and his staff was when he got to job properly. People wanted a good start, he's not had that. Nordov will be pressured after today's game, but I would say to just keep the heads, and I think United will just certainly have to improve at the back. I keep going back to that. In terms of going forward and there's a gold threat, I think they'll be fine. Yeah, keep the heads, not panic. What about from City's point of view? I mean, Roy said earlier what they're doing at the moment is fixing the small things that need to change while still keeping that 100% record in the Premier League. But in terms of what they need to fix, are they working from a good base? I want to say it needs to fix. I think it's almost replacing what's gone out the door, the robbery, the Bernardo solver. I feel as though the midfield that they've got, he likes the energy, and that's the way he wants to go. They want to be a little bit more direct. They've got players who come off the bench in Jai, who's really good. I still think they need to think about where Cherokee's going to go. Gary made a good point about it. I think Endel goes to number 10, but then the whole conundrum of fold, and he put forward and on the right, or he puts Cherokee on the right. Cherokee does a lot of his good work on the right, and then coming into that middle position. So I think it's just more growing in confidence. I think the average age of a Man City's team now is 25, which is a good thing. And just have that confidence to go on and show everyone what they can do. Everyone's going to compare them to the Pep teams. They're a different team, a bit more front footed, want to move the ball a little bit quicker, and they've got more energy in midfield. That's what I like about Man City now. Less control, but more energy. Use that to their advantage. 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